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Horse_ebooks posted...

We all understand the way this game is played

But apparently we don't all understand the way polls work.
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Baiting is insensitive towards fish.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Here's an upbeat club banger from 1987 about child abuse!

Is it really a "club banger"? I can't really see it being much of a club song. Tom's Diner might be closer to a club song, but even that's a bit too low-key.

Though if implied abuse is your bag... BAM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uejh-bHa4To
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That does almost nothing for me. Granted, I've never been much of an ass man, but that's not really the sort of ass I find attractive even when I'm finding asses attractive.

I'm under no illusions that she spent that much money in the hopes of attracting someone like me, though, so it's not as if that matters.
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Dragooncancer_ posted...

Remember when people were thought covid cases would go down in summer?

To be fair, very few people said that, and they were always wrong anyway.

The intelligent people said that the virulence of the virus might go down in warmer weather, the way normal flu does, but that we had no way to know until it happened. Most of that talk usually ended with "Well, we'll see what happens come June."

But the entire scenario is incredibly complex, and it's not as if there's only one variable at play anyway, so even if the virulence of the virus DID go down in summer, other factors could still increase rate of transmission over time .

People looking for an easy, quick, magical solution to this that makes it all go away have always been fooling themselves, right from the very beginning. That's not how any of this works. That's never been how any of this works.

It's been kind of clear almost from the very beginning that the only real answer to this is to flatten the curve and try to slow infection over a long enough time for viable treatments or vaccines to come into play, because the only other alternative is really to just let everyone get sick and wait for herd immunity to kick in. It was never going to be a case of "Well, we'll all just hide for a few weeks/months, and then when we come back out again it'll all be gone. Whee!"



Mead posted...

Im starting to think we need a full scale revolution to put a stop to some of this madness, theres just no end to it

Yes, because more disorder, disorganization, and factionalization is exactly what we need right now. That would totally fix all of our problems with no possible negative side-effects of any kind.



Mead posted...

Honestly if some people refuse to understand that their rights end when they start to diminish the rights of others, then we are going to remove some of their fundamental rights that they have grown comfortable with since theyve obviously become so entitled that they think they matter more than other people.

There is a word for this sort of thinking.

It's generally seen as being a somewhat negative word.
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Depends on the method of time travel, and how the universe works.

If we live in a universe where time travel can only be used to observe, or the universe itself prevents changes from being made via stable time loops and ridiculous coincidences? Then it would be mostly fine (though it might become like a higher level of doxxing, where you could go back in time and see what people were doing years ago, potentially film blackmail material, or otherwise find ways to see and learn shit you really shouldn't be).

On the other hand, if time travel CAN alter the past, and doesn't involve multiple parallel timelines and infinite possibility shenanigans, then time travel would be the most dangerous thing ever, even if it wasn't public. The moment anyone (theoretically) can time travel, even aside from the various "I'm going to back and fix the past!" factions starting time wars, you'd have people like me going back to try and find a way to keep humans from evolving in the first place. Or deliberately creating Grandfather Paradoxes in an attempt to self-destruct the entire universe.
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No u!
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One good movie, and bits and pieces in the other two that were kind of okay, do not a great trilogy make.

And then there were two more movies.
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Mead posted...

jokes

Yeeessssssssss...

Knew it was my fault. :D
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All the hot sex, obviously.
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Does this count?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12kcpP-8jfM

My roommate in college was deep into that sort of thing. Actually invited Orange 9mm (I think it was Orange 9mm, it might have been some other band of the era) to a party at our apartment when they played a gig in Atlantic City.

I also went to school with some of the band members from The Youth Ahead and Social Butterfly. I don't think either of those ever really made it out of the Northeast scene, though I think Youth Ahead played the Warped Tour at one point.

That roommate was also huge into Fugazi.

I only half paid attention to whatever he was listening to, I was never hugely into punk. Bad Religion actually kind of caught my attention with a couple of songs, though (they're more melodic than most punk is).
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Mead posted...

Rod Stewart is really under appreciated imo

I really only lean into about two Rod Stewart songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrxgEln_Dw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EzV-S5nXlw

Though I suppose these two can get honorable mentions as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYO_ptkQsOo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofA3URC1wyk



HornedLion posted...

80s are my favorite. Cant believe no one has posted Phil Collins yet.

Phil is actually half of one of my top three favorite songs of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkRKT6T0QLg

Considering the other two songs are also 80s songs, I should probably post them eventually as well.

In the meantime, here's another Phil Collins song I rank pretty highly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVjEcIANv1o



HornedLion posted...

And I doubt any of you wouldve posted The Psychadelic Furs

I wouldn't have, but if I had, it probably would have been this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu0sYQRECkY

The one club I used to go to back in the day used to occasionally play that in what we used to call the "old people" playlist. They saved the modern and "hip" songs for the earlier hours, then they'd switch to a lot of stuff like this around 11 until closing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-dqW4uBEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfmkgQRmmeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vhFnTjia_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdqHSN2kt4

And, of course, because that particular club was in NJ, the obligatory last call set closing song was always this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLTGs4fqxBk



argonautweakend posted...

the best cover of all time, the byrds eight miles high covered by husker du

I'll see your cover, and raise you the Rammstein cover of Depeche Mode's "Stripped":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10JDA8SvwX8
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helIy posted...

why are you living with a teenager

All the hot sex, obviously.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

What is anger?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fna8LCEqDY
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Judgmenl posted...

The problem is that Joe's not a very vocal person.

It probably also doesn't help when I get ads on YouTube where he's campaigning and comes across like a slightly senile grandpa.
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And you might as well be walkin' on the sun.
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wolfy42 posted...

and balders gate 3

I'm so wary of that game. On the one hand, I absolutely loved BG1 and BG2. On the other hand, it's 20 years later, a completely different team is working on it, and there's almost zero continuity between this and BG2. And there've been missteps in the BG franchise recently (Beamdog's additions to the Enhanced Editions not being entirely popular).

Most people who are excited about it seem to be people who loved Divinity: Original Sin 2 (because the same team is working on it), but D:OS2 doesn't really seem like what I want out of a BG game.

Plus, I'm not super-keen on the mind flayer-heavy narrative the marketing seems to be pushing.

I'd love to be proven wrong, though. I need me some quality narrative-heavy WRPGs. All the companies that used to make them are kind of turning to feces these days.



wolfy42 posted...

Also am I the only poster who doesn't know anyones alts at all, and just responds to everyone as if they are a different person?

Half the time I don't even look at who is posting, and just respond to the content of their posts. Depends on my mood.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJrLXpRwQU
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DocDelicious posted...

Good quiz but there's some misinformation in there.
8th gen started in 2013. WiiU is a 7th generation console.

Wii-U was never really considered a 7th gen console.

The standard assumption has always been NES (3), SNES (4), 64 (5), GC (6), Wii (7), Wii-U (8). The Wii-U's intended competition was always meant to be the PS4 and Xbone, not the PS3 and 360. It was really only the apocalyptic failure of the Wii-U that caused Nintendo to panic and pivot on that.

With the advent of the Switch, Nintendo's insistence that it's the "official" console of this generation (and not a handheld at all, damn it! It's a portable home console, not a handheld that can be docked to your TV!), and people saying it's the "real" current gen console it's sort of retroactively become the 8th gen console, but that doesn't retroactively push the Wii-U back a generation - it just means that Nintendo technically had two consoles this gen (and one of them failed). Or more accurately, one console, one handheld, and one weird hybrid of the two that effectively replaced both of the first two simultaneously.

If you like, you can think of the Switch as part of the 8.5 generation, and sort of tuck it in with the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X as sort of a half-step forward.

Though what makes things even more complicated is that the Switch is probably going to remain Nintendo's core console for a while once the next gen starts and the PS5 and Xbox come out, so the Switch is going to straddle its way into the 9th gen as well. Unless Nintendo panics and rushes out ANOTHER new console (which seems unlikely, considering how popular the Switch wound up being).
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18/21? That's BS! I lived through all this shit! ~flips table~

What year was the first Mario game released?

Okay, I call BS. Mario Bros was 1983, but the first game with Mario in it was Donkey Kong, and that came out in 1981.

Granted, that means my answer of 1980 was still wrong, but I really only picked it because I knew Donkey Kong came out before 1983 (in fact, I think I got my ColecoVision and the packed-in copy of Donkey Kong for Christmas in 1982).

I also thought this came out before 1983, but Wikipedia tells me it came out IN 1983:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGNoBDVi3NU

What year was the first Call of Duty game made?

Okay, this one's fair. Aside from the fact that I've never really been a huge CoD fan, I only answered 2006 because I went for the earliest year I could see, and my brain somehow missed the 2003 at the bottom.

You win this round!

What year was Sega founded?

1960? Hmm. I could have sworn they were founded in 1940, because my brain equates the company with the military and WWII (Sega literally comes from Service Games - they were originally a company catering to the military).

Hey, wait, no - fuck! The Wiki validates me!

"In 1940, American businessmen Martin Bromley, Irving Bromberg, and James Humpert formed Standard Games in Honolulu, Hawaii. Their aim was to provide coin-operated amusement machines, including slot machines, to military bases as the increase in personnel with the onset of World War II would create demand for entertainment. After the war, the founders sold Standard Games in 1945, and in 1946 established Service Games, named for the military focus.

In 1952, Bromley sent employees Richard Stewart and Ray LeMaire to Tokyo to establish Service Games of Japan

The name Sega, an abbreviation of Service Games, was first used in 1954 on a slot machine"

So, their original company was founded in 1940, but the company that eventually became Sega (sort of) was formed in 1946 (not 1960). There were some acquisition and asset/IP transfer shenanigans in 1960, but a case can be made that "Sega" as an entity predates that.

I suppose the question of whether Sega came into being in 1946 or 1960 depends on whether or not you think that the Atari currently publishing games today is technically the same company as Atari in the 1970s/80s, whether modern Activision has continuity with original Activision, and whether or not THQ Nordic actually has any claim to the THQ legacy.

What was the main cause of the Video Game Crash of 1983?

ET: The Extra-Terrestrial and Atari's Pac-Man 2600 port.

;-D

What was the first video game console ever made?

I knew this one mostly because it was the only one that actually predates my birth. The 2600 and ColecoVision were very much 2nd gen (and the consoles I started on), and NES came even later.

If you'd thrown in the Telstar or other earlier consoles as an option, I'd have been harder-pressed to guess.

Who were the 2 founders of Atari?

...and I knew this one mostly because I knew Bushnell was involved in creating Atari. And Chuck E. Cheese.

Which video game was the primary reason that a video game age rating company was created?

If the quiz wasn't multiple choice, I'd be tempted to answer "Night Trap" for this one. But MK was definitely involved.

I'd also be tempted to say "The Resident of Evil Creek", but that's actually from a later (stupid) controversy.

http://ncac.org/resource/a-timeline-of-video-game-controversies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_games_as_an_art_form#Legal_status
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I basically self-taught myself to two-finger type without looking at the keyboard years before my middle school eventually had classes to try and teach full-on 8 finger ASDF/JKL; typing. As a result, I basically typed faster my way than their way, so I deliberately avoided learning to 8-finger type by passing all the tests "wrong".

It's possible that I could have typed faster their way if I'd be able to break my existing habits, or if I'd learned their way first, but I've never had the motivation to do so. And I almost always write stream-of-consciousness anyway, which works fairly well with the speed at which I type. So I'm not sure I'd want to be able to type faster even if I could.

If anything, my typing speed is probably balanced out by the fact that I sort of speed-read, so my overall time to read something and write a response is probably the same as someone else who reads the initial post slower but then can write a reply faster anyway.
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Rotpar posted...

How can't you love the epic tale? Allow me to summarize; darkness, keys, hearts, dark darkness, keyblade, darkness, hearts, heart darkness, key hearts, darkness, keyblade, key keyblade, darkness hearts, key darkness, dark keyblade, heart key, darkness, heart keyblade, darkness hearts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owpv7wYB_NM
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teddy241 posted...

damn dude busted in with the real talk tho segment

Damn straight. Now suck it up, throw on a mask, get out there and carpe motherfuckin' diem.

OOH RAH!
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wolfy42 posted...

That is not very paranoid at all!!!

Oh, shit, you're right! Wait, let me switch to my alt.
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To be honest, I only really like one Imagination Dragon.
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Judgmenl posted...

Surprised Kana is not included. I had a writeup explaining that I was too harsh on her, ect. ect.

Kana's still here and shitposting.

At least, I assume they are. I put their account on ignore forever ago. But I still it crop up from time to time in other people's quote posts.
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darcandkharg31 posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

blu posted...

I wish quotes would automatically @ the user

I strongly disagree, because it would potentially become incredibly annoying when multiquoting in a post

Wish we could still multi quote, even it's just 3 chains long.

You can, it just takes more work. And you have to do it manually. Like a lot of worthwhile formatting things that used to work on the site but which they've broken over the years.

Honestly, I don't even think they disabled multiposting for any real utility-based reason, as much as because they didn't know how to enable it correctly. I'm also willing to believe that they never intended to disable it at all, and aren't even sure how they messed it up in the first place.
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I find most of the KH lore to be more stupid than boring. It's like, here's a game that people loved because it combined beloved Final Fantasy characters with Disney characters (and let's be honest, 80% of the appeal was the Disney parts) in a plot that is only thinly-fleshed out to justify all the crossover, and then it kind of morphs over time into Nomura's weird deranged fanfiction about characters I don't even remotely give a shit about doing things I have to play 47 side games to really understand, with the Final Fantasy characters mostly phased out and the Disney characters almost becoming secondary to all the nonsense bullshit.

It feels like the franchise was great in KH1, still worthwhile in KH2 (but already starting to show cracks, because Chain of Memories was weird, and not even on the same console as its parent games), and then leapt straight off a cliff into inanity. It's a large part of why I wasn't even remotely interested in KH3.



PK_Spam posted...

So why do people like it so much?

I feel like most of the people who legit enjoy it are mostly doing so because they're still clinging to the Disney nostalgia in spite of all the other stuff. Or really enjoy the gameplay, but are doing their best to ignore most of the plot (I've outright heard people say this, or things like it).

I also think there's a lot of the fanbase who just loved KH1 and KH2 who sort of feel obligated in a way to enjoy KH3 (because gamers, in general, are masochists, and will often suffer through franchises we once loved but which have now betrayed us - see also Halo fans, CoD fans, and Mass Effect fans).

There's also always going to be the rabid knot of fans who actively followed the franchise through all the GBA titles and DS titles who are deeply invested in the NOMURA LORE, who love all the same shit that people like you and I are rolling our eyes at. Which is fine, and congrats to them, but it does mean I will never, ever be able to relate to them or their opinions when discussing the game.
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ChaosAzeroth posted...

I found this doesn't work with video games for me. Physical games get hard to find, and I get sudden urges to play a game years later.

To be fair, I kind of don't apply that same logic to video games, either (or books, or DVDs, or comics - just media in general, I suppose). I still have all my old PS1 games, and I'd probably still have my NES and SNES games as well if I hadn't traded them in as a poor teenager to get that PS1 in the first place. Even if I haven't played some of those games in more than 20 years.

I kind of see "collections" as being a separate thing from just possessions in general. I'm talking more the sort of people who will keep old furniture or appliances or way more clothes than any human will ever need "just in case", where it's kind of obvious to everyone they're never going to get used and are mostly only just taking up space, and it's only that sort of nebulous paranoia about being wasteful that is kind of compulsively forcing you to cling to it (which is what hoarding IS).

Then again, most collections usually don't take up THAT much space (books, DVDs, and games all fit on shelves), knick-knacks tend to get displayed as decorations on shelves/cabinets, etc, so it feels like they're not as much of a burden as other things. If you've got closets completely stacked full of stuff, attics, basements, or garages completely packed, or outright have stuff piled up in rooms, that's where you're sort of crossing the line of "Why are we keeping all this crap anyway?"



Zeus posted...

The psychology of that has always fascinated me, possibly because my immediate family had such different viewpoints regarding possessions. Then again, my folks grew up in households where the kids wound up having wildly different viewpoints regarding possessions as well (the only consistency is that the teachers & professors in the family tended to be hoarders).

My grandparents all lived through the Depression when they were younger, so it sort of imprinted on their personalities a bit. My parents were both from the earliest batch of Boomers (technically my father predated the Boomers because he was born about three months before the war ended), and growing up with those sorts of parents kind of imprinted the mentality on them (and consequently, both of them tended to grow up with pretty strong hoarding instincts - "NEVER throw anything away you can still use, if it's broken find a way to fix it, if you can't possibly use it give it to someone else.").

In my mom's case, it didn't help that she grew up relatively poor, so there was always the "We can't afford a new one, find a way to make the old one work" sort of mindset at work as well.

But the end result of that is that, after being married for about 40 years, they had a house full of crap that two separate people spent 40 years accumulating. My mother once complained because she said "I hate that it feels like I'm living in a warehouse sometimes", to which my reply was "That's because you refuse to get rid of anything." She's actually gotten better at getting rid of stuff after my father died (possibly because I badger her about it constantly), but she still has a LOT of stuff.

Of course, I grew up in that environment, and I definitely picked up a lot of those tendencies as well (I fully acknowledge there's a reason WHY I still have books I bought in the 1980s on my shelf, and why I still have most of my old VHS tapes in storage somewhere). But at the same time, I'm very much aware of that mentality, and I do try to fight against it as much as possible (which is WHY I have a philosophy about getting rid of things you know you don't need). When your brain is saying "I will never need this", but your heart is saying "BUT I WANT IT!", you have to know when to ignore your instincts and go with your logic. Or decades from now you will live in a packed warehouse, like the one from the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. You may even have your own Ark.

Ironically, my paternal aunt (who grew up in the same sort of Depression Era-influenced house my father did) sort of went the opposite way, and kind of reacted to that mentality in her upbringing by being quick to throw almost everything out if it got in the way of a clean, spartan sort of home. She kind of hates clutter, and doesn't like feeling tied down by too much stuff she doesn't need.



Zeus posted...

That said, I also don't believe in having a guest room since it invites people to stay for extended periods. If somebody is crashing for a few days, there's also the couch. I don't want them getting too comfortable.

I have a guest room that's almost exclusively used for when my niece and nephew come to visit, or where some of the rare family I like can stay for a night or two to visit from out-of-town. Most of the time it's empty, though, and I wind up having to dust/clean it whenever someone is coming.

I don't worry that having a guest room will encourage long-term visits, because honestly, the only people I'm ever going to invite to stay at my house in the first place are people I like well enough that I wouldn't necessarily mind if they stayed longer (though if they were planning to stay for months at a time, I might start charging rent). And I'm blunt and open enough, and don't mind conflict, to the point where if someone DID come to stay for only a few days and then kept putting off leaving to the point where I was getting tired of them being there, I wouldn't really hesitate to tell them to get the fuck out. Or eventually just gathering up all their stuff and tossing it in the front yard and then locking the door behind them when they go out to get it. I've already disowned more than half of my family and cut off any number of ex-friends who pushed me too far for one reason or another, I'm not really afraid to shut people down for being assholes.

That being said, one of the advantages to being so willing to prune assholes out of your life is that, well, you don't really have any assholes left in your life. So at this point I can't imagine any of the friends/family I do still have being the sort of people who would take advantage of my hospitality in the first place, which makes it much easier to offer that hospitality without hesitation.

I've made the comment before that if my best friend called me at 3am telling me he killed someone and needed help to hide the body, I'd be over in about 10 minutes with a truck, some tarp, and a couple shovels. If he needs to crash at my house for a couple weeks for some reason, he's more than welcome.
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I strongly disagree, because it would potentially become incredibly annoying when multiquoting in a post, and that would just make for more metadata I have to manually slice out of every post in order to fix it.

Plus, I have no confidence the people who code for this site could ever implement something like that without breaking at least four other things, so I'd rather they just not do that.

If you're so concerned about seeing when other people quote you, just keep an eye on your Active Messages list, see which topics have recent posts after yours, and skim to see if anyone responded to you. If you're desperate for other people to respond to your quotes, just PM them.
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teddy241 posted...

we are all slowly suffocating physically, mentally, socially, financially etc.

We've literally suffered worse than this in every single one of those facets throughout human history.

Go back and ask the 50%+ of the European population that died from the Black Plague (that took them almost 200 years to recover from) if they'd be willing to come forward and trade places with us. For that matter, go back and ask the tens of millions of people dying from the Spanish Flu in the middle of a global war if they'd trade places with us.

I get that this looks absolutely unprecedented to people who've spent the first 20+ years of their lives coddled and wrapped in bubble wrap and who mostly slept through history class, but this is nowhere near as game-breaking as some people have convinced themselves it is. The human race will certainly survive, most of modern society and culture will survive, and in the end you'll be extremely surprised just how status quo everything winds up feeling after everything's said and done.

My mother spent most of her childhood being told hiding under a desk would protect her from the explosive nuclear war that was almost certainly inevitably just around the corner. As a young adult, she watched as men landed on the moon and was told it was going to usher in an entirely new age of space exploration and human expansion. When I was an adult, some people were flying planes into buildings in a terrorist attack, and people were screaming about how nothing was ever going to be the same again and how could anyone ever truly feel safe again? That last one only really lasted for a year or two until everything pretty much went back to business as normal.

I know it can be hard to separate yourself from situations when you're in the middle of them, but things are almost never as bad as you think they are at the time. Life will go on.
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My philosophy is this:

If you have something you don't immediately need, but can either think of a use for it "relatively soon", or it's something that you use commonly enough that you'll almost certainly need it again soon, then it's worth keeping.

If you have something you have no current use for, and feel like you should keep it on the off-chance that you might think of some use for it eventually, you're better off getting rid of it. Especially if it's something that isn't all that expensive in the first place. If you feel bad about "wasting" it; just find someone else who could potentially use it now and give it to them, or sell it/donated it to a thrift shop/charity shop/Goodwill/charity that does home pick-up (this doesn't really apply to mattresses - you probably should just throw those out).

Basically, if your house seems like it's filled with tons of odds and ends that you're keeping on the chance that you might need it someday, and 20 years can pass with that day never coming, then you're leaning into the wrong side of hoarding.



In her case, I wonder if she actually grew up with parents who were hoarders (either full-scale or just partially). Because from what I've seen people who grow up in that "OMG WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH CRAP!" sort of home tend to boomerang in the opposite direction and throw away as much as they can to keep things clean and spacious... or become the exact same sort of hoarder themselves (because they've had that "WE CAN'T WASTE ANYTHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE SOMEDAY!" mentality burned into their brain).

Economics can also play a role. People who grow up poor tend to be more inclined to try and keep everything to save future money, while people who grew up never really having to worry about money don't necessarily see the point of living in a packed warehouse to save a few dollars.
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deoxxys posted...

So are not plantations still in existence today and serviced by paid workers? I had assumed the slave connotation was a thing of the past.

Technically, the term "plantation" doesn't automatically equate to slavery, even if most plantations in the "New World" were mostly run via slavery (or indentured servitude contracts). The plantation aspect of Rhode Island has almost nothing to do with slavery, because slaves were never really used there. Rhode Island's actually generally led the colonies in general at being the most anti-slavery place, with slaves outlawed there before it was even a state.

There were plantations long before the African slave trade existed. There've been any number of plantations after it ended. "Plantation" doesn't automatically mean "Slavery".

BUT.

Rhode Island was majorly involved in fueling slavery because it was one of the largest corners of the Triangle Trade, helping funnel slave sales to the West Indies in exchange for molasses. They'd basically buy molasses from the Caribbean, turn it into rum, sell the rum, then use the money they made off the rum to buy more slaves in Africa, which they'd sell back to Caribbean colonies (where there WERE slave-run plantations) in exchange for more molasses.

Rhode Islanders were super strongly against having slaves in their own state. They just didn't much seem to care if slaves were somewhere else as long as they could profit from it.
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Sort of an orangey peach.
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deoxxys posted...

But why would I want to eat soggy crackers?

At a certain point, they kind of stop being soggy crackers and more sort of become a salty porridge.



deoxxys posted...

The only soup I put heavy carbs in

This reminds me - back when I was running track, I'd occasionally eat a bowl of chicken noodle soup with Saltines in it. And Ritz crackers. And extra rice. And small chunks of bread.

At that point it was mostly just carbohydrate sludge. Which was nice for carb loading.



deoxxys posted...

The soup should be the main focus, and if its not good enough without cheap saltines then its bad soup

To be fair, plenty of people don't actually like soup all that much. So ALL soup is bad soup.

It's like people who don't actually like coffee, so they drink it with cream and sugar and hazelnut and other flavorings until what they're drinking looks and tastes entirely unlike coffee.

It's arguably similar to people who put tons of condiments on their food, because they don't really like the food they're eating all that much, so all they're really tasting is the condiments.
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I am interested in none of your games.

The only games in the near-future I'm interested in at all are Cyberpunk 2077 and Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2. And I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to feel about Bloodlines, because the current version of the tabletop game is terrible, and I don't know how much of that has bled through into the design of the game.

Beyond that, the only thing I can really think of off the top of my head is when we inevitably get a sequel to Horizon: Zero Dawn next gen.
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A better question would be, how much soup do I put on my Saltines?
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Confirmation bias on your part.
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kukukupo posted...

It looks awful, but then so does the first one. Both are games I'd never play or very far down the list.

I know my opinions vary vastly from most current gamers, however.

Ehh, the first game only sold about 20 million copies across two consoles (and when you consider at least some of those sales overlap, and those numbers may be counting bundle deals where the person "bought" the game but never played it/had no interest, we can probably shave off at least a couple million or so).

Now consider we exist in a marketplace where the PS4 has sold 100+ million units, and there are countless gamers who own Xboxes, Nintendo consoles, or play on PC who don't have Playstations who straight up have no way to play TLOU at all.

For all that people have been tongue-bathing it for years, it's very easy to say that the vast majority of gamers have never played it. Easily at least 75%, probably closer to 80% or more. Some because they have no opportunity, others because they took one look at it and went "lol nope", some who may have watched cutscenes on YouTube and decided that was good enough, or others who may have read summaries of the plot somewhere and decided it didn't interest them.

I wouldn't say you're different from "most" current gamers in not being interested in it, for whatever reason. If anything, the people playing it are different from most current gamers.



(Which is true of pretty much every major game these days, so it's not necessary shitting on TLOU. Unless you're GTA V you're probably not selling much more than 10 million copies, let alone 20. It's a diverse marketplace, so even critically acclaimed darlings or games that are constantly praised/fellated online rarely draw huge audiences - for all that people wouldn't shut up about Undertale for a few months, it never really sold more than around 5 million copies or so. And everyone praised the shit out of Breath of the Wild but that only sold about 18 mil.)
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Aculo posted...

The boycotts and review bombing of TLOU2 totally worked, ok?

You guys shut the game down, and really taught naughty dog a lesson, ok?

Boy oh boy, Neil duckmann will sure think twice before ever messing with gamers again, ok?

Oh wait.

https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/21/the-last-of-us-part-2-sales-fastest-selling-ps4-game

The early sales don't actually mean much in that context. Because that's not how any of this works.

Most of the people buying the game in the first few days are going to be people who, for the most part, know absolutely nothing about TLOU2. They're people who loved TLOU1 enough to buy its sequel sight-unseen, or people who were sucked up by the pre-order hype and ads without really being aware of anything about the game. They're not people who were going to be reading articles about why some people were pissed about the game (some of them may actively have been avoiding any and all articles to avoid spoilers), and they weren't going to be reading reviews or checking scores. Why would they? They already knew they were buying it regardless.

Early reviews don't mean much either, considering how hard most professional review sites will fellate pretty much any major title (so as to not burn bridges with powerful publishers), and how quick they are to grab their own ankles and whistle whenever a game looks pretentious enough to pull out the old "WOMG YOU GUYS, GAMES ARE TOTALLY ART!" card so they can feel like actual respectable journalists and critics. So even early purchasers who DID go looking for reviews were going to get a lot of fluff pieces that encouraged them.

But the real telling statistics are how well the game sells in the weeks to come (once overall perceptions of the game become more widespread and the fencesitters actually start seeing what other people's opinions are). That's where we see whether strong initial sales remain strong over time (like the original TLOU, or games like GTAV), or if the bottom drops out and everyone starts feeling embarrassed about the whole thing (or start asking for refunds).

Keep in mind, Mass Effect: Andromeda sold amazingly well at first, too. So did No Man's Sky. And then people played them.

The critical savaging those games got after the fact was enough to drastically tank later sales, and in Mass Effect's case, almost torpedoing the entire franchise for good. The only reason they're thinking about reviving it again at this point is because Anthem blew up in their faces so hard they're desperate to salvage something out of the smoking ruin that Bioware's IP is rapidly turning into.

Meanwhile, No Man's Sky has apparently been turned into something almost resembling a worthwhile game, but most people will never realize that, because the initial response was so powerfully negative that it basically became little more than a punchline.

Even Fallout 76 sold much better at launch than you might have expected, knowing what sort of game it was and what it's turned out to be (and in spite of all the warning signs leading up to release). The real hate, backlash, and financial collapse didn't come until after the first week or two, though, once pretty much everyone on the Internet was screaming about how terrible it was.

I have no opinions about TLOU2 (I didn't give a fuck about TLOU1, I give less of a fuck now). It might continue to sell strong forever and the only people who complain will be a loud minority on the Internet that everyone ignores. Or it could be seriously fucked as sentiment universally turns against it and all hope of eventually cranking out TLOU3 with the same level of expectation and praise goes up in smoke.

But either way, I wouldn't point to the first few days of sales and try to definitively call it a triumph. This could eat a LOT of shit from a LOT of different people over the next few weeks/months, and could radically shift the perception of the franchise as a whole.
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The Wave Master posted...

We do need to talk about how cats are superior to dogs.

We don't, because your premise is flawed and morally wrong.

Dogs are "Man's Best Friend", cats are "Nature's Four-Legged Assholes", this is science. The fact that the Internet has such a massive hard-on for cats is just more proof of the downfall of modern society.
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Mead posted...

omg PO we had a STP now were internet married

Okay, but you have to be the bottom.



ClarkDuke posted...

wouldn't white vinegar, baking soda and hydrogen peroxide make for a better cleaner than bleach?

Considering rubbing alcohol isn't bleach, whether or not it would is kind of immaterial to this discussion.
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Canned food and shotguns.
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SpeeDLeemon posted...

I did not know this. I do not visit the homepage. Progressive change, SBAllah!!!

I think this might be the first update in 10 years I actually approve of.
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Yes.
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Probably sold out because everyone's buying it as disinfectant.
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That guy puts like 100% of the profits he makes into lawsuits against Scientology. He's the hero we need but don't deserve.
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Mayonnaise is the devil's jism.
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YES!

This truly is the dawn of a new golden age.
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