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No Steam, no dollars.

No woman, no cry.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I expected you to say "fucking".

I expected him to say "Letting another man fuck my wife and then raising the kids as my own."
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InfestedAdam posted...

I felt satisfied with FO: New Vegas after finishing most or all of the companion quests, the DLC quests, and most of the different endings of the main quest.

For FO, I'd argue that you've "beaten" it when the game literally ends. Like, you see an ending, and the game stops you from playing any more. That's "beaten".

Sure, you can go back, play multiple run-throughs (I certainly did), explore to greater or lesser degrees before initiating the endgame, and so on, but you've still "beaten" it the moment you play the ending. Whether or not you do all the companion quests/side quests/exploration really isn't a measure of whether or not you've beaten it, just how much of a completionist you are (it's the difference between "beating" an Assassin's Creed game and "100%ing" Assassin's Creed game).

The problem with Skyrim is that it doesn't really HAVE an "ending". The main quest just sort of peters out and leaves you in the world, everything still pretty much the same, and depending on how you play, the main quest may not even really FEEL like the main quest, just "chapter one" (and you could even argue whether or not Alduin really even IS the main quest, as compared to the civil war). So there's no one real definitive endpoint you can point to and say "this is where you beat the game".

I'd almost be willing to argue that beating the Ebony Warrior is "beating" the game, but even then because of how different playstyles affect leveling (and with DLC added in), you could still have a ton of content left untouched by the time he shows up and complains about no challenges being left and nothing left to do.



Zeus posted...

The campaign is really just the two main questlines. Everything else is more a completionist thing, although the guild quest chains are as close as you might get to a secondary campaign. (Overlooking that the DLC each has a separate campaign.)

Yeah, but because of how the game is designed, they don't really feel all that much more "significant" than just beating side missions. So it doesn't feel like "this is the main game" as much as it feels like "this is a succession of strung-together missions".

The civil war has more effect on the world as a whole than Alduin's plot does (Jarls change, the major cities will show "siege" damage afterwards that is never repaired), but for the most part, in both cases everyone in the entire world will react to you in exactly the same way, nothing else changes, nothing ends or is really closed off, and you can go right back to doing every sidequest or faction quest right from scratch (and other than being able to use "I'm the Dragonborn" to get into the College, none of those factions even remotely give a shit that you're basically one of the highest ranking Stormcloaks/Imperials in Skyrim, and just saved the entire world from an evil dragon).

So the Alduin and civil war quests don't feel like the "core" game, that you've "beaten" after finishing them. They wind up just feeling like part of the overall gameplay loop (a major part, but just a part nonetheless). In some cases, the faction questlines can feel just as significant or epic (if not more so) than the main quest and civil war do.

Which is why I implied it's hard to really draw a line under a definitive "ending". Some people might say, "Sure, Alduin and the civil war and you're done, everything else is extra", other people might say you have to do both of those plus all the faction quests, someone else might say you have to get every Achievement/Trophy (but not necessarily all in one run), some people might say you have to do EVERYTHING in one run, and some people might say you haven't "beaten" it until there's literally no quests left anywhere other than the infinitely respawning radiant quests (and some might even argue that you can't beat Skyrim, ever, because those infinitely respawning quests means the game never really ends).

By some definitions I've beaten Skyrim more than a dozen times. By some I've only beaten it three times. By some I've never beaten it once.
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Zareth posted...

Chris Avellone just got #metoo'd.

I'd be outraged if this cost us one of the few great writers in RPGs, but from what I've seen of his recent work he's not that guy anymore anyway.



Persinian posted...

Innocent until proven guilty.

It's cute that you believe you still live in that world.
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The problem with Skyrim is how you define "beaten". Is it finishing the main questline? Finishing the civil war? Finishing literally every possible quest, sidequest, and general activity until all that's left are the infinitely repeating ones? Completing every Achievement/Trophy?

I've spent hundreds of hours on Skyrim across like 15 different characters, mainly because I dislike how the game handles plot (ie, I find it kind of stupid that you're simultaneously the Dragonborn, the head of the Companions, the Archmage of the College, the Guildmaster of the Thieves, and the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, along with whatever other minor titles you acquire). So I basically make different characters to do different things (I've got a "main" character who tends to do the Alduin/Civil War stuff, a separate Companion, a magic-based Archmage, a Stealth-based Thief, and an "evil" Dark Brotherhood character), and most of them wind up at least somewhere around level 50 by the time I finish their main questline and a few other general quests (and for all of them other than the one doing the Alduin quest, I play the entire game without Shouts, because I avoid triggering the dragon/vampire attacks via that quest).

I've actually done this three times (I perfected Achievements on the 360, then did it again on the PS4, and am currently playing again on the PS4 to get all the Trophies again on a sub-account). So I've got about a dozen different characters with something like a hundred hours each, none of whom have technically even started the main quest, let alone finished it. And three each that have done the main quest, civil war, and DLCs but never did the various faction quests.

But on the flip-side, I have completed every Achievement (twice, going on three times once I finish Dawnguard on my current playthrough) and "completed" the game (just spread across multiple characters). So once could easily argue I DID "beat" it.

If Skyrim's off the table, I've near-perfected Borderlands 2 twice (once on 360, once on PS4), and in both cases the only thing keeping me from completion is beating Terramorphous, so that's arguably "unbeaten", but I have finished the main storyline and most other sidequests and DLC multiple times, so that might not count either. Again, depends on how we're defining "beaten".

Beyond that, it might be Dishonored: Death of the Outsider. I'd started a run in that where I was trying to go for a perfect run (to get all the trophies first time through), which would have required no detection no kills, and I was doing well, but I got bored halfway through and just sort of stopped and never got back to it. I probably didn't put a TON of time into it (it's a short game and I only played the first half or so), but I finish nearly every game I put time into, so I don't really HAVE a ton of unfinished games, with tons of hours invested (I'm more likely to just buy and never play a game - one I start, I tend to finish).

As for online multiplayer games with no real "end" state, I've sunk a ton of hours into GTA Online, with a bit less in Elder Scrolls Online, but in general I dislike online multiplayer and MMOs in general, so I don't have a ton of games outside of those two.
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I generally use All for detergent, Clorox bleach and Clorox II for color-safe bleach, but I also occasionally use Arm & Hammer color-safe bleach.

My biggest problem is that I don't like overly perfume-y detergent, so it's harder to find brands I'm willing to use.
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Bleh, disgusting cat people.

Dogs or nothing! ~sets fire to topic~ Purge the unclean!
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Are we talking about the literal versions of these cars in their own fictional universe, or just the look of them in reality?

Because how I feel about Knight Rider's TransAm or Christine's Plymouth Fury kind of changes if we're literally talking about a car with advanced AI and weapon systems or a demon-possessed murder car.

The Fury's awesome (though I tend to like the Chevy Bel Air more), but I wouldn't want a car that will eventually try to kill me and which can't be destroyed.

The TransAm is a bit too "80's", and looks/feels a bit too clunky today, but KITT as a fictional vehicle would be kind of awesome. Though if we're going with the fictional versions, a DeLorean that can literally travel through time feels like the no-brainer option (just don't go back and erase your own past - or, you know, do, if that's your thing).

In GTA and Saints Row, I tend to drive the in-game equivalent versions of the Bel-Air and the Dodge Viper.
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KJ StErOiDs posted...

Only if there were some "mobile" contraption that played them that you could sling around your neck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MxpMgTKlQc&t=0m40s
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HornedLion posted...

Is the magic gone for you now? Or did this only make it stronger?

To be fair to her, she is in her 50s now, she's been doing the Flo character for more than a decade.

And no one really looks good while exercising, so that's probably one of the worst pictures you can find of her.

That being said, it's always kind of interesting to see what she looks like when she isn't Flo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL_8SslfiN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIqfi2_FHEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s8Os_32qQY
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The person who used to know how to code sold the site to CBS, and they've never actually hired anyone since who knew what they were doing. With every update cobbled together by monkeys smashing their feces together, it's inevitable that the whole mess is going to come crashing down eventually.
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darkknight109 posted...

The oldest millennials, for instance, were born around 1981; logically speaking, they should have a lot more in common with the younger members of Gen X (born in the late 70s, a few years earlier) than with the younger members of the Millennials (born in the late 90s, almost two decades later).

This is why I tend to ignore the generational distinction in favor of a decade-based one. 30 year generations made sense as cultural touchstones when the pace of technological development was slower, and thus, culture tended to evolve at a slower pace, but for most of the 20th century that pace accelerated, to the point where 30 years is way too long.

But it's still pretty informative to say that someone was an 80's kid (or a 90's kid, 00's kid, etc). It generally gives you an instant shorthand to know when they grew up, what the world was like at the time, how it likely shaped their worldview, what cultural influences they had, etc. There may still be overarching traits that do tend to apply to multiple decades within a given generation, but for the most part decades give you a degree of granularity that tends to account for most of the differences.

In my own experience, I was born in 1977, and have technically been both Gen X and Gen Y at various times - the generational breakdown isn't actual an "official" thing, so there's no official start and end period for any given generation (which means different people tend to define those groupings differently anyway, which makes comparing even harder). Some people define '77 as the tail end of Gen X, others defined it as the beginning of Gen Y (in recent years the start point of Gen Y sort of crept forward in time a bit, around the same time they "reclassified" it to Millennial, so now I'm generally just seen as Gen X). But I don't really relate all that much to either Gen X or Gen Y/Millennials - Gen X always seemed to feel like "the people before me" (70's kids and earlier) while Millennials blatantly feel like "those other people after me" (and they've always felt like 90's kids and later). But I tend to relate fairly well to people who were 80's kids like I was.

It's also worth remembering that this really only applies to US culture - other countries easily have entirely different breakdowns of cultural time periods and global influences on personality.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

I dont understand the hate, other than not liking certain aspects of the game like the lgbtq themes and certain plot points

I kind of do, but that's based solely on the plot and not other aspects of the game. I can see reasons why people who were invested in the narrative might turn against it. Plus, there's also the fact that Druckmann's kind of a shit so the game gets tainted by association to some degree.

I haven't played the game, but from what I've read of the plot (all of it), I'd probably hate the game as well. Then again, I didn't like the plot of the first game, so I wouldn't be the target audience regardless.
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"I don't know, what's it like being a c***?"

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I was going to ask you "Who is this person, and why should I care?", but the Internet tells me she's a cosplayer and Twitch streamer, so now I know the answer to the question is "There is no reason why anyone should ever care about this person."

Though at least she apparently doesn't have a penis, as far as I can tell. So that's growth on your part, PotD. Good job!
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Zeus posted...

does anybody remember this card dress?

No.

But I'd tap that.
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Mead posted...

i think its the Loc-Nar from heavy metal

God, I hope so.

Wait, are we in the Blue Oyster Cult/Journey timeline, or the Black Sabbath/Devo timeline?
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darcandkharg31 posted...

okay there Hulk Hogan, go rub your daughters ass.

It's probably more pertinent that he's a massive racist, but whatevs.
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zebatov posted...

FYI, best rule for Sociables is no drinks on a flat surface. My own specialty. Youll get a few people a couple of times in a row.

Reminds me of a game of Magic I played once using Unhinged cards (ie, the joke cards). There's so many "gotcha!" cards in those.

I hit one player with the card that makes you play with one hand behind your back, and then I did it again, so he was trying to play his cards and drink his beer keeping his arms behind his back. Was very fun.
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I prefer statues of dogs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachik%C5%8D#Bronze_statues
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Here's an interesting question to provoke discussion:

Say you have a statue of Jefferson. Or Washington. The statues celebrate their role in founding our country. On the other hand, both owned slaves, and both perpetuated (either via action or inaction) the institution of slavery in the nation. Should those statues be removed as well, because of the implied context?

Or let's jump forward a bit - say you have a statue of Grant, who helped the Union win the Civil War and free slaves. But he was also an alcoholic, was originally opposed to freeing the slaves (and actually voted against Lincoln originally because of it), was engaged in a number of scandals, damaged the economy, ended Reconstruction (thus opening the door for a lot of future civil rights abuses), and continued existing predatory policies against native Americans. How should we feel about memorials or celebrations of his legacy? Or to get thornier, how should we feel about a statue dedicated to Sherman, who engaged in what would potentially be considered war crimes today?

Where DO we draw the line? Most of human history is atrocity, and most of the great men we tend to elevate reached their lofty positions on a pile of corpses. Is it right or wrong to celebrate the accomplishments of individuals who profited from human misery - regardless of the nature of that misery or who it was inflicted upon?



Mead posted...

they were literally built by folks that were still butthurt about losing a war they werent even alive for

But now they're being knocked down by people still butthurt over a war that their grandparents weren't even alive for.

What is the acceptable expiration date for outrage?
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Zeus posted...

That's dark, dude.

So it's spades, then.
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blu posted...

Some days I wonder how much free will I really have, versus personality being formed by things like age.

If you really want to feel depressed, you can start wondering if you have any free will at all, considering how much of your personality is formed by genetics and biochemistry that's almost entirely out of your control and childhood experiences that shaped your core personality before you were ever capable of having opinions or making decisions at all.

Then you can feel even more depressed, when you consider that your core personality was mostly formed by being raised by your parents, whose core personalities were mostly formed by their own parents, and so on, and so on, and so on. At which point you can potentially ask whether or not we're a deterministic pinball machine with the illusion of free will when we've honestly never been realistically able to make choices of our own free will uninfluenced by the weight of thousands of years worth of iteration.

Have fun!
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Where does dry rub fall in your little scheme, hmm? YOUR POLL IS A LIE!
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Zeus posted...

Problems within the industry itself?

See, now this is a complicated point. Though it's definitely worth noting that a lot of problems within the industry are themselves symptoms of the decline rather than causes of it.

For instance, part of youth apathy is due to a lack of availability of physical copies of comics (ie, where do you buy them)? But this is partly because comic stores in general have been bleeding out for the last few decades (declining comic sales mean stores can't afford to stay open), and partly because print media in general is declining (so "newsstand sales" die off as newsstands cease to be a thing). In some sense this becomes a vicious circle (lower sales => fewer places selling comics => lower sales => fewer places selling comics => etc), but this isn't the whole answer. Because comics are still available in multiple places (the book section of grocery stores and places like Wal-Mart, in places like Barnes & Noble, via digital distribution), yet sales continue to decline. And the cycle wouldn't necessarily have started in the first place if sales had remained steady, which in turn would have keep comic specialty shops alive - it was the falling sales that started the downward slide, not the reverse.

Most of the commonly cited "this is the thing that drove fans away from comics" moments were mostly prompted by publishers panicking over lost revenue. Prices started rising dramatically once there was a perception that casual fans were gone (meaning they needed to milk more out of hardcore fans). A reliance on overpushing successful characters to boost sales over a willingness to cultivate new ones is rooted in fear, because you can't afford the risk of failure (and loss of more fans). But all of that started because sales were already falling.

Which brings us to...



Zeus posted...

Pandering to outside groups who don't even read comics and being overly worried about looking offensive?

This is actually a symptom more than a cause (and ties into the above).

Essentially, the publishers pander because they're desperate to cultivate new fans. Their traditional fanbase continues to bleed out, so they're looking for fans in places they wouldn't necessarily have looked before. The hope is that by pandering to female readers or ethnic audiences, they can increase their numbers in those demographics, and this isn't necessarily a terrible idea. The problem is that their desperation combined with their ineptitude mostly leaves them pandering in ways that are ineffectual at best and borderline offensive at worst, so ultimately they don't cultivate new fans at all, and they accelerate the loss of fans they already have.

But that behavior is spurred by the fact that they're already fucked. They weren't perfectly fine, then started pandering, and suddenly can't figure out why everything's gone to shit. The pandering is just the latest in a long line of panicked attempts to bail out a sinking boat when you aren't able to figure out how to patch the holes.

There's evidence that added diversity CAN succeed - if the diversity character is well-written and interesting in its own right, and not just pandering for the sake of pandering. Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel succeeded both critically and saleswise in ways that Carol Danvers Captain Marvel didn't. Miles Morales has been relatively well-received. Spider-Gwen was almost immediately popular even with existing fans. Even earlier attempts to diversify like Jaime Reyes were fairly well-received (though Jaime likely would have been even better received if they didn't kill off Ted Kord to steal the existing name/legacy rather than simply launch him as a new character of his own).

The biggest backlash mainly seems to be when they pull stuff like they did with Thor, where they shoehorned in a female Thor in a very poorly-written fashion, then threw SJW tantrums when anyone complained (because that is obviously the best possible way to win fans over).

But again, this is less editors or writers trying to push an agenda and losing fans because of it, it's much more a case of them desperately trying to throw things at the wall and hope some of it will stick. SJWs on Twitter and Tumblr are a very vocal minority, so there can be a perception that they have buying power and should be appealed to - the problem is that they almost never put their money where their mouth is, and catering to them is more likely to create future criticism from them more than it will increased sales (they very much embody the "eat their own" mentality). If comic sales were healthy in the first place, there would be no perception of a need to pander to them at all.
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Zeus posted...

So comics when from being almost universally read to being almost universally scorned today because... other media exists? >_> Is that your hypothesis there?

Yes.

Though I'd disagree that they're "universally scorned", if only because that implies negativity. Whereas I'd argue that the modern attitude towards comics is more one of apathy more than anything else.



Zeus posted...

You don't think it had anything to do with an attack on the industry?

Not even remotely.

(and since you're not specifying WHAT attack you mean, I can only infer from your context that you mean the 1950s "Seduction of the Innocent" situation, which is going to be what most of my counter-stance is going to be based on)



Zeus posted...

With the implementation of a comics code that made comics less interesting?

Not even remotely. And this ties into the above - you're literally ignoring decades worth of context to argue a point that's objectively wrong.

The entirety of Marvel's history exists post-implementation of the Code. Some of the most popular boom periods of comic history took place after the Code. Most of the critically praised and popular stories came during the period when the Code applied. Almost the entirety of the current comic-book movie boom is based on a fanbase that only exists from the post-Code era.

And even if we accepted the (wrong) premise that the Code somehow handicapped the entire comic industry, the fact that the Code hasn't been implemented in any way for the last decade - and was pretty much defunct even for the 2-3 decades before that - sort of undercuts the idea. Marvel was already starting to find ways around it or ignored it outright (in the context of lines like Epic) in the late 70s, and dropped it entirely in 2000. Companies like Dark Horse, Image, Valiant, IDW, and Dynamite have never used it.

It's hard to even argue that the Code seriously crippled comics in the 50s. Did it hurt EC? Absolutely. But the popularity of "super hero" comics had already started to decline before the Code (and companies shifted their publishing to more popular and profitable horror comics, true crime comics, Western comics, romance comics, and later, sci-fi comics). The Code mostly only really impacted the horror and true crime genres, some of which simply shifted to "magazine comics" (to which the Code didn't apply). Which is why you got things like EC focusing on Mad magazine (and Marvel doing Tomb of Dracula, Conan, and similar titles as magazine releases in the 70s). The most popular comics of the era (like Archie and romance comics being relatively top of the heap) continued more or less completely unaffected.

Meanwhile, the birth of Marvel and the rebirth of DC in the Silver Age were both firmly within the bounds of the Code (and took place as the outgrowth - at least in Marvel's case - of the sci-fi/horror comics of the late 50s, which were ALSO Code-approved). And in spite of the names, the Silver Age (and later, the Bronze Age) was arguably more profitable and creatively productive than the Golden Age ever was. Nearly EVERYTHING we know about major comic characters or storylines today comes from the Silver Age (even characters like Superman, Batman, or Captain America that predate it were mostly redefined by it, and our modern perception of them is of their Silver Age or later versions, not their Golden Age originals).

What you're arguing is on par with saying the implementation of the Hays Code killed Hollywood.

The overall impact of the Comics Code has always been somewhat overstated (and the majority of its influence really only lasted for the first 10-15 years or so). And if anything, the collapse of the comic industry started after the Code was effectively insignificant.



Zeus posted...

There are no other cultural paradigms that might have taken hold which led people to both increasingly see it as a juvenile behavior and parents to not want their kids to read it?

As to the first part, I'm essentially arguing that the rise of different cultural paradigms IS the reason for the decline of comic sales - namely, the paradigms of other media. In a world where 24-hour a day kid's programming on TV/streaming services, video games, and things like YouTube videos aimed directly at kids (and hopefully curated via a parental app of some kind) exist and are easy and convenient alternatives, interest in reading comics wanes.

Why read comics about Spider-Man when I can watch about 3-4 different cartoons or a half-dozen movies based on him at any given time whenever I choose?

As to the second part, no. You're assuming that the only possible audience for comics is children (which wasn't even true at the height of the industry), or that parents are actively prohibiting children from reading them while kids actively want to, which I've seen zero evidence of, ever. This is the 2020s, not the 1950s. I don't think that case has been true for longer than most PotDers have actually been alive. It's more the case that kids don't care, so parents don't care.
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LeetCheet posted...

Only if you've collected 10 starchips.

God damn it!
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zebatov posted...

Yes. Im in-between, and my friends are dating young-twenty-somethings saying Im still good to go. Alright for them trying to boost me up, but Im basically halfway-dead.

This reminds me of when a friend of mine was like, "Yeah, we'll you know, I'm 25 now, and that's halfway to 30, so I should probably start thinking about settling down."

I was like, "Motherfucker, you are as close to 20 as you are to 30. Shut the fuck up."

Granted, he and I are both in our 40s now so our lives are functionally over, but back THEN he was still young!
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Thank you, I will be here all the week.
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I only play Uno.
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DrPrimemaster posted...

Why are you so defensive? What did you do to Mothman that you dont want us to know?

More importantly, what did Mothman do to her? Please show us on the doll where Mothman touched you.



WhiskeyDisk posted...

What better meal for a Juneteenth celebration than a cryptid?

And what better way to say "I love you" than with the gift of a spatula?

They make great Christmas presents!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUDwj_mXKE
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Firewerx posted...

You're just you, but with a bit more wear and tear. Don't think of older people as some kind of different species; they're a mirror of you in the future.

This isn't quite true, don't forget that we enter our pupa stage somewhere around 40 and emerge from our chrysalis as the elderly imago stage.
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Zeus posted...

The only card I need is the Ace of Spades, the Ace of Spades

Don't forget the Joker!



Zeus posted...

Really? I thought you would have gone with Cups

I thought about Cups, along with Crowns and Leaves, but figured either Acorns or Bells would be more confusing for most people.

Though I generally used Knight of Cups as my Significator for Tarot back in the day. Though in retrospect, I suppose it should probably be King of Cups now. I'm old. ;_;

Or maybe it should be the King of Pain instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgSCKXSp9M
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WastelandCowboy posted...

Hey guys. If we stop testing for Covid-19, we won't have any more cases!

To be fair, this is basically the same way the US has measured unemployment for decades.

In other words, the unemployment rate is usually only measured by counting the number of people who are actually collecting unemployment benefits. But unemployment benefits only apply for a specific amount of time before you're cut off, so if you go too long without getting a job, they stop paying benefits and you no longer count as "unemployed" for calculating the unemployment rate - you simply no longer exist at all statistically. Thus we artificially keep the numbers down by ignoring the people who probably most need our attention.
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I own a duel disk. Does that count as sufficient credentials?
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Lokarin posted...

My parents don't have a million dollar home, but what they do have is the land beneath it... and land only goes UP.

If your land keeps going up, you probably want to move - you might be living on a faultline.
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I literally just finished doing it about 5 minutes ago.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you have to do all of your own maintenance, either by doing it yourself or paying someone else.

One of the downsides of home ownership in the suburbs is that, if you don't do yard maintenance, your neighbors will complain and you'll start getting fines from the township/municipality.
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Depends on the context of the statue.
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blu posted...

And the stuff I would spend it on wouldnt be a physical object as much as services or experiences.

That's the traditional stereotype of the Millennial - the assumption being that at some point the entire generation decided they'd never be able to crawl out of debt and afford anything worthwhile, so they opted for trying to live exciting or interesting lives instead. ie, they're less likely to value material possessions because they're less likely to be able to afford material possessions.

The older people on the board are still part of the generation where "He who dies with the most toys wins", and where it was expected to own your own house eventually, and generally by late 30s/early 40s is the point by which most Gen Xers have more or less switched away from renting and towards home ownership (with exceptions for people who live in cities like NYC where ownership is near impossible and rent's pretty much a requirement). So we're far more likely to spend money on things.

Granted, not everyone is going to conform to the cultural mindset of whatever generational cohort they belong to (I'm sure there are Millennials who aspire to own two-car garage houses with white picket fences, and I'm sure there are Gen Xers and even Boomers who rent and have little more than an emergency bag to their name because they love traveling and having experiences), but it does suggest that the political, historical, and socioeconomic conditions you grew up under probably shaped your worldview to some degree.
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Zeus posted...

Every state is an at-will employment state.

A fair number of states do have various exemptions for stuff like implied contracts and public safety issues, though. So in a lot of places employers have to manufacture at least some plausible excuse for firing you.

I think the only defense in Florida is whistleblower-related.
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You could always try to catch the Jersey Devil, then ask him for Mothman's number. I'm pretty sure they're friends on WhatsApp.



Jen0125 posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Have you tried just fucking and getting over it?

I don't think that will help us find Mothman

It might, I hear Mothman is a voyeur.



Mead posted...

I think you can use chap stick as bait

I saw a Richard Gere thing about it

If you saw a thing with Richard Gere talking about bait, it probably attracts gerbils, not Mothmen.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

What the fuck kind of news reporting is this

MSNBC.

"news"
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Acorns.
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blu posted...

Whats with some PotD users being so rich?

At this point, there's a lot of older people here.

Offer me this deal when I'm in my late teens or early 20s I'd accept in a heartbeat. But at this point, I own my own house (no mortgage), own multiple vehicles, have no outstanding debts, and I've got about 40 years of accumulated possessions. Offer me this deal today and you can go fuck yourself.

If anything, it's a good metaphor for politics. There's a reason why most of the people who are super-keen on wealth distribution or debt forgiveness are the people who don't own anything and have mountains of debt.
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CedarPointcp posted...

losing your faculties etc......

I feel like I'm going to die before this happens. Like, massive stroke out or heart attack that just straight up kills me.

If not, and I develop a degenerative disease that damages physical ability or mental acuity over time, I'm more than willing to kill myself before I reach a point where I become completely incapacitated. I'm a huge proponent of "quality of life" as an indicator of "value of life", and if your quality of life is dramatically reduced due to massive impairment, I don't see any reason to cling to mere existence solely for its own sake. If you can't live, why be alive?

My main fear (though it's less a fear and more an awareness of possibility) is if something happens to me with immediacy I can't react to, but which doesn't outright kill me. But I actually have a living will with "no resuscitate" and "pull the plug" stipulations, and I've got friends who would probably help with assisted suicide if necessary.
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In spite of being a major CSI fan for a while at one point, I could just never get into anything L&O related at all.
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shadowsword87 posted...

I personally am happy that it's delaying, but I've got a friend who's dying of cancer, and she's legitimately worried she won't be able to see it.

Considering your RP predilections, you should buy Cyberpunk 2020 and just run the most awesome campaign ever, with focus on her as the "star" and whatever other players you can get to play filling more supporting roles (as opposed to the more balanced spotlight that GMs should usually be aiming for).

Granted, you can't get Keanu Reeves to show up (or CAN you? Dude seems like a super-cool guy in real life, he might be up for playing in your campaign if you e-mail him and explain the situation), but with a little effort you could probably run a story that winds up being cooler than the actual video game will ever be.
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faramir77 posted...

Let's be honest though. Has anyone actually felt alive since December 2012?

I actually died during Y2K.
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Mead posted...

I still dont know what the problem with Uncle Bens is, I always assumed it was the guy that founded the company

Uncle Ben? More like Uncle Tom, amirite?
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The undiscovered country, from whose bourn no traveler returns.
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