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Don Lemon got shit canned less than 24 hours later. Maybe he'll cozy up with Tucker in retirement. They can make a couple of little bow tied lemonhead babies together.

Entity13 posted...

We've done that the whole topic. No one needs to imagine any conversations, because this is exactly one prime example. If you're genuinely confused, then this is on you.

Nope, not confused at all. You can't give a single example of any of the things you accused me of, so you came back with this vague deflection for a reply. Pretty cut and dry.

papercup posted...

Fun fact, the death penalty actually does not work as a deterrent for crime. Decades of crime data show that it does not reduce crime rate by any measure.

Well, it certainly stops repeat offenders.
Joking aside, I think the greater benefit of the death penalty is that society isn't forced to support the worst of the worst. It makes my stomach turn thinking my hard earned tax dollars are paying for the food and healthcare of some multiple child murderer somewhere.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

aw did the snowflake get upset people keep tearing apart your arguments with facts

poor baby it's ok mommas here

Isn't there a bridge you should be guarding?

Clench281 posted...

what is vtuber

I think that's the term the use for the weirdos that host their youtube channels as virtual loli anime girls. I really don't understand how mankind got to this point.

agesboy posted...

haven't you blocked most of the voices in this topic because you prefer your own voice to theirs

I blocked a handful of the loudest crazies here. If I thought for even a second anything but hostility and insults could come out of them, I wouldn't have blocked them. I don't keep toxic assholes around in the real world, why should I give them a break here?

Grendel_Prime posted...

There are no viable solutions coming from 2A defenders.

They just recently proposed putting armed security at every school. Can you guess who shot it down? And yes, there were many errors. If you actually read what I posted, you would have seen that I pretty much bullet pointed them. You were literally proposing bans on things that are already banned. You wouldn't consider that to be an error?
It looks to me like you're not actually interested in discussing this anyway. You asked me a question, demanded I answer it, and when I provided you with a very thorough answer you completely disregarded it. I think you're just here to bask in the sound of your own voice.

agesboy posted...

so should we mandate safe ownership for every gun owner and prosecute if guns are ever left unattended?

I'm not entirely opposed to that, as long as it's done within reason.

Grendel_Prime posted...

The bans are largely for bump stocks, high-capacity magazines, trigger adapters, fully automatic firearms... You have some (Beto O'Rourke, for example) calling for the ban of certain types of firearm (AR-15). Very few outside of the extreme fringe are calling for an outright wholesale ban on firearms.

Considering this, and addressing your point about "actual" give-and-take, where is the give from 2A defenders? They fight every regulation. Red Flag laws, background checks, etc. Even "mild" regulation is pushed back upon by the ardent defenders of 2A. There's no negotiation because those 2A defenders are opposed to even reasonable checks and balances. That's not a fringe stance, either. That's the standard line in the sand.

First off, lets address some errors.

Bump stocks - Trump actually signed off on a ban for those. It was later overturned by the courts because it violated constitutional law.

High-Capacity Magazines - What is a high-capacity magazine? 30 rounds? 20? 10? what about integral mags? People that don't know guns, don't seem to realize the tremendous amount of complications involved. If you were to say anything over 10 rounds, you're describing about 90% of guns on the market.

Trigger Adapters - No clue what this is referring to.

Fully Automatic Firearms - Pretty much already banned. Any fully automatic firearms produced after 1986 can not be purchased my civilians due to the Hughes Amendment. Anything pre-1986 can be purchased under an ATF Form 4. This involves fingerprinting, a letter from local law enforcement, a $200 tax stamp, and multiple background checks with a wait time of about 10-12 months. I'll add that these guns are extremely expensive. For example, a full auto AR-15 built before 86' will run you on average $35,000.

As to your question about the give and take on the pro 2A side, there is none. That was my point. Nobody is willing to make any concessions, because the other side isn't willing to either. When it comes to red flag laws, everyone should be opposed. They are a flat out violation of due process. I honestly can't believe anyone supports them. I understand the intent behind them, but they chose the absolute worst execution possible. The background check thing is just stupid because we already do them! The pro 2A side isn't opposed to background checks, they just sick of repeating the underlined point. I've purchased many guns over the years, both from shops as well as gun shows. I had a NICS check and filled out a 4473 for every single one. If someone is somehow skirting background checks, they're probably already breaking the law.

Entity13 posted...

Also known as the Bill O'reilly approach to "conversation." Act like you are tough shit and know all, silence the dissenters no matter how good or factual their point, claim victory like you had the last word in whatever matter. Problem is, Oz doesn't have a source of income off these outlandish or inaccurate posts.

Are you just making up conversations in your head or something?

"Act like you are tough shit and know all"

Where have I been playing tough? As for the know it all part. When it comes to gun law, I'm probably the only person here that has a formal education on it.

"silence the dissenters"

Read the room slick. I am the dissenter here.

"outlandish or inaccurate posts"

Feel free to point out what I said that's inaccurate and outlandish. I'll wait.

adjl posted...

What steps are you taking to ensure that they are never used to commit crimes?

Pretty simple. Most of them sit in a 600lb safe unless they're going to the range with me. The only one that stays out is my carry gun. They're never unattended.

Yeah, it's just not fun when you get older. I remember getting blasted drunk, only to get up and do it again the next night no problem. If I get drunk now, I'm pretty much pinned to my sofa for the whole following day.

MeatiestMeatus posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Zareth posted...

Correct, on both accounts

Passing on insults from the hive mind? Real classy. Do i need to put you on time out with the rest of the children?

keyblader1985 posted...

Yeah.

Speaking personally, if my hobby was collecting deadly weapons, and those weapons were being used to kill large numbers of innocent people in public across the country every single day, I would be fine with giving up the most unnecessarily dangerous among my collection, in compliance with stronger safety regulations. At most I'd like a small reimbursement.

I don't own a lot of guns, but what I have is very high end. If I were to break even, It would cost them in the ballpark of $40,000-$50,000. Anyone here willing to hand over that much for doing absolutely nothing wrong? How about you foot the cost? I don't want them banned, you do. It's only fair that you pay for it.

adjl posted...

Is it really that hard to understand the difference between regulating guns and banning them outright?

If it helps, consider this: How many illegal guns were purchased legally at some point in the supply chain?

Most of the regulations proposed are banning something. People might be willing to negotiate if there was some actual give and take involved, but there's none of that. It's all stick and no carrot. It's all talk anyway, with absolutely no consideration of how it would be enforced. The end result for most of them would be millions of law abiding people being turned into felons with the stroke of a pen, or turning over billions of dollars in personal property. Are you really surprised people are opposed to that?

How else did you think he became the "Million Dollar Man"?

I was just in Denver for work a few years ago. Such a weird city. I'll never understand the appeal of it. The local news is a blast though. Apparently there was an outbreak of bubonic plague at a festival ground where they were hosting a Phish concert when I was there. Everyday there was some kind of insane story like that on the news.

The 1st is what made this country the beacon that it is. The 2nd is what keeps it that way. Loose the 2nd amendment, and there's absolutely nothing stopping every other right from being stripped away. History shows the people with the guns will always enforce their will on the people without.

Mofuji posted...

"We need to ban guns!"

Guns get banned, criminals just get illegal guns.

"We need to ban illegal guns!"

Exactly. People seem to forget that laws only work against people that actually obey the law. Gun laws will only ever be as effective as drug laws, and it's pretty damn clear how well those work.

A news organization lying to people? Imagine that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/2/AAMabeAAEZY8.jpg

Too easy.
Cancer patient Jesus for the win.

https://youtu.be/EvSjYYep3t4

adjl posted...

Do you think it's somehow hypocritical to boycott Hogwarts because Rowling's a transphobic dinglemuffin, then also deride transphobic dinglemuffins who boycott Bud Light for doing some pride-friendly marketing? Because that's sounds completely ideologically consistent to me, unless you're considering boycotting as a concept to be its own ideology (which doesn't make much sense).

Yes, criticizing people for doing something you yourself have done is pretty much the textbook definition of hypocrisy. It's about the behavior, not the ideology behind it. You just don't think that it doesn't count when you do it, because your actions are justified by some kind of moral high ground.

darkknight109 posted...

Amongst developed nations, the US is far and away the worst in gun crime and in homicides in general. It has an intentional homicide rate of 6.5 per 100,000 as of 2020, putting it just ahead of such security heavyweights as Haiti and Tanzania, but not quite reaching the lofty heights of Zambia or Burundi. For reference, the next most murdery developed country on the list is Latvia and New Zealand, both of which have less than half the murder rate at 2.6 per 100,000. Continuing down the list, we have Canada at 2.0, Finland at 1.6, Iceland at 1.5, France at 1.3, Sweden at 1.2, the UK at 1.1, Denmark at 1.0, Australia at 0.9, Taiwan at 0.8, Ireland, Austria, and Poland all with 0.7, Norway, the Netherlands, South Korea, and Spain at 0.6, Italy, Slovenia, and Switzerland at 0.5, Japan at 0.3, and Luxembourg at 0.2. And, though I shouldn't need to point this out, I will mention that mentally ill people exist in every single one of those countries.

That number right there says it all. They make it sound like everyone needs to live in fear of being gunned down, when the odds are incredibly small. I'll add the vast majority of those are in urban high crime areas. Drunk drivers kill 4 in every 100,000. Should we ban cars too? Alcohol? That's the logic being used here. Punish the millions upon millions of responsible law abiding people because of the actions of a small fraction of criminals.
darkknight109 posted...

No, you really don't.

That's funny, I just saw a story from the BBC not long ago about the drop boxes they placed all over London for knives. Apparently they're supposed to stop all the stabbings somehow. Genius.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

That's more terrorism and targeted underworld activity than "regular" people getting their hands on some while not in the right mindset.

Some nut chucked a bomb at the prime minister of Japan just a few days ago. I think that's part of the problem. The labeling that is. Someone kills a dozen people at once with a rifle, it's a gun problem, but 500 people get gunned down over a couple of months with handguns in poor neighborhoods, now it's suddenly a socioeconomic problem.

LinkPizza posted...

Who threw a fit over the Hogwarts game? I only know one person. Who did

The usual suspects. The Twitter crowd. I can't say I personally knew anyone that was broken up over the game, but I can't say I know anyone upset over Bud Light either. There was someone ranting about J.K. Rowling on the boards here a while back. It's mostly keyboard warriors on both sides.

papercup posted...

Were not talking about overseas.

Then why is everyone so willing to compare us to other countries when it comes to guns? Seems to me like the only time anyone wants to make comparisons is when it supports their narrative.

The same people that threw a fit over the Hogwarts game a few weeks ago, are laughing at the right for boycotting Bud Light. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking.

papercup posted...

So if the real issue is mental health why dont we hear about mass stabbings, or bombings, or gas attacks every 8 hours like we do shootings?

You do overseas. Guns are just the preferred method here. South Korea has a real problem with public stabbings. Bombings are pretty common stretching from the middle east all the way up into southern Europe. We're not even close to the worst in terms of gun homicide. Based on population, I believe we rank something like 36th globally.

PK_Spam posted...

Im in love with a neighbor. Shes a cute Southern girl who just moved here but Im pretty sure she hates me too.

I thought you were gay? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
Anyway, life ain't gonna get any better unless you do something about it. It's easy to get stuck in a rut. I spent a good 5 years like that before I got out of it. Just start applying places. Even if you don't think you'll get the job. You'd be amazed what it does for your mindset just putting in the effort.

adjl posted...

Translation: Repeatedly saying "Leave guns alone it's all a mental health problem," downplaying the roles guns play in violence, and ignoring any efforts to discuss the matter constructively can get you modded for trolling.

If you would prefer not to get modded for trolling, consider discussing matters constructively, not downplaying a major cause of US mortality, and elaborating on and incorporating new information into your position instead of repeating it ad nauseum with no changes. These factors form a significant portion of the difference between productive discussion and saying controversial things for no reason except to hear yourself speak, the latter of which is broadly considered trolling.

Also of note: Misrepresenting the issues people have with your behaviour also qualifies as trolling. Just FYI.

You consider anything you disagree with to be trolling.

The idea if having a constructive conversation here is laughable anyways. It's mainly the hive mind barking their opinions at you, demanding you answer their questions while absolutely refusing to answer yours, and lashing out with name calling and mass reporting should you criticize them even slightly. The mods are all of the same ilk, so you can't expect any equilibrium there either.

teddy241 posted...

Hopefully the car doesnt break down on some remote rural road. You getting a rental?

I'd be more concerned about breaking down in Detroit . . .

I couldn't care less. The whole situation is dumb, and the people obsessed with it even dumber.

teddy241 posted...

Trying to slow down my gambling addiction. While saving for a trip to las vegas. The goal is simple. Stay sober for 2 months and viva las vegas. 1 slip up and the trip is canned. Im 1 week into the bit. 7 more to go.

There's a real logical fallacy here that I hope you're aware of.

Just do it. Everyone I know that did it struggled with it constantly, but couldn't be happier afterwards. It didn't necessarily start off smooth, but holding stuff like that in tends to wear on you. If some people cant accept it, too bad. That just saves you from spending time with them and putting up a front to appease people that don't know, or care to know who you really are

No interest in getting one anytime soon. I've been driving a Mercedes C300 for a couple of years now and I'm happy with it. The winters are pretty brutal where I live, so I don't think an EV would fare too well here. The cold does a number on batteries, and all wheel drive is a must have.

KalloFox34 posted...

Odd how you never hear people saying straight people are evil or this is why cisgenderism is wrong when a cishet person does the same thing.

Lol! Are you serious?! Saying straight white men are evil is pretty much gospel these days.

agesboy posted...

i thought you were done here?

I came back. I know, it's a pretty big concept to wrap your head around.

MeatiestMeatus posted...

Soooo... Shooter targeting the school where they were abused, child targeting their abusive parents... Not hard to suss out the comparison

The thing is, she didn't target the school. She targeted random kids in the school. Targeting the school would be more like burning the building down, or shooting the administrators that runs the place. She also had a second location she planned to hit before this. She passed on that one though because she considered it too hard of a target, which speaks volumes about the mindset of this coward.

adjl posted...

If an abused child kills their abusive parent, do you assign any responsibility for that outcome to the abusive parent?

She killed a bunch of young children. Not sure how you equate them to an abusive parent.

kind9 posted...

Is it possible for you to shut the fuck up?

Awwww. Did the truth hurt you? Show us on the doll where it touched you :(

Here are the true champions of gun control. It's heartwarming to see so many people here share the same philosophy.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/9/AAMabeAAEU03.jpg

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Funny how that push seems to vanish when it's a white male shooter. It's almost like they want to create some kind of public bias.

Alright Im done here. Youre getting all spun up like a bunch of nut jobs. Im not going to sit and argue with a dozen people that are already set in their ways. You can kick rocks.

adjl posted...

Which lead, exactly, do you believe is being buried?

The fact that they really don't want people to see the person that did it. When I google "nashville shooter identity" I get back a whole 2 photos in google images. I'll add that's 2 more than there were when I made my first post.

faramir77 posted...

Apparently Canadians, Brits, Australians, New Zealanders, along with non English people of literally any other country are immune from being social media obsessed, isolated, neurotic weirdos.

"It's not the literal thing being used to commit these crimes! It's Facebook!"

It's not the sites themselves, it's the way they affect peoples brains. They get trapped in a perpetual feedback loop of their worst qualities. The algorithms are designed that way. If you give it the hint that you consume negative content, the algorithms will feed it to you constantly. It doesn't care what kind of effect it has on you as long as you keep your eyes glued to the screen.

agesboy posted...

it's still all over the news, what kind of conservative twitter echo chamber are you trapped in

at the end of the day gun culture is still at fault, no matter how badly you want to make this a trans issue

Weve had a tremendous amount of guns in this country since its inception. The AR-15 alone has been available to the public for over 50 years, and gun laws have only gotten stricter. This stuff has really only become a problem over the last few decades.
Guns arent the problem. The fact that weve created a society of social media obsessed, isolated, neurotic weirdos is the problem. I dont do social media, and I dont listen to a damn thing that comes out of mainstream news outlets. Perhaps you should do some self reflection on whos really in the echo chamber.

They sure are doing their best to bury the lead on this one.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/7/AAMabeAAEUu5.jpg

I'm not sure why anyone here is even arguing this topic. The vast majority of people here don't own a gun, and live in or around a major metropolitan area. That's pretty much the doomed combo.

argonautweakend posted...

this one customer came into my store, a gov't owned liquor store and walked around, complained about the prices being too high, and blamed Biden.

The people who raised our prices 4% two months ago are board members I've never even seen before. This is also a state liquor store, which has nothing really to do with the POTUS.

I would really like to know why the hell a government owned liquor store is even a thing.