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Nade_Duck posted...

there were a lot of people that were boycotting hogwarts. didn't see myself but heard that they were harassing a lot of streamers and youtubers that did.

There were also a bunch of false narratives about the game getting posted even on POTD.

Ozmose posted...

The same people that threw a fit over the Hogwarts game a few weeks ago, are laughing at the right for boycotting Bud Light. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking.

Do you think it's somehow hypocritical to boycott Hogwarts because Rowling's a transphobic dinglemuffin, then also deride transphobic dinglemuffins who boycott Bud Light for doing some pride-friendly marketing? Because that's sounds completely ideologically consistent to me, unless you're considering boycotting as a concept to be its own ideology (which doesn't make much sense).

adjl posted...

Do you think it's somehow hypocritical to boycott Hogwarts because Rowling's a transphobic dinglemuffin, then also deride transphobic dinglemuffins who boycott Bud Light for doing some pride-friendly marketing? Because that's sounds completely ideologically consistent to me, unless you're considering boycotting as a concept to be its own ideology (which doesn't make much sense).

Yes, criticizing people for doing something you yourself have done is pretty much the textbook definition of hypocrisy. It's about the behavior, not the ideology behind it. You just don't think that it doesn't count when you do it, because your actions are justified by some kind of moral high ground.

Aww, is the snowflake posting a bunch of bullshit again? Unblock me you coward.

Ozmose posted...

The same people that threw a fit over the Hogwarts game a few weeks ago, are laughing at the right for boycotting Bud Light. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking.

Provide examples or shut the fuck up, thanks.

Ozmose posted...

Yes, criticizing people for doing something you yourself have done is pretty much the textbook definition of hypocrisy. It's about the behavior, not the ideology behind it. You just don't think that it doesn't count when you do it, because your actions are justified by some kind of moral high ground.

But I'm not criticizing boycotting as a concept. Boycotting as a concept is perfectly fine, and in fact is a critical part of holding those participating in a free market accountable for their actions. It's not, as some might like to believe, anywhere close to sufficient for regulating that market on its own (due to the natural tendency of unfettered capitalism to concentrate power and worsen conditions for everyone without it), but the core concept of "vote with your wallet and encourage others to do the same" is vitally important.

Approving of boycotting as a concept, however, does not extend to categorically approving of every boycott. If I believe a boycott is justified, I'll praise it and defend my opinion as needed. If I believe a boycott is stupid, I'll call it stupid and defend my opinion as needed. I'm not about to suggest that those engaging in boycotts that I believe to be stupid should not be permitted to do so or otherwise have that right taken away, but having the right to do stupid things and having the right to not be criticized for doing stupid things are two very, very different things.

To circle back, Hogwarts Legacy is a product that pays royalties to a transphobic dinglemuffin who has openly used her success and the platform it has bought her to harm trans people, up to and including explicitly saying that she believes the continued success of Harry Potter as a franchise means 90%+ of the fanbase agrees with and supports her transphobic dinglemuffin drivel. I have chosen not to contribute further to that success and encourage everyone I can to do the same. That is a boycott that I consider justified. I'm not necessarily going to think less of anyone who chooses otherwise, particularly given the infinitesimal drop in the bucket that any one customer's royalty contributions are, but I do feel that it's important to ensure that everyone who purchases the game understands what they're supporting by doing so and that their decision to purchase it is properly informed.

Boycotting Bud Light for employing a trans spokesperson, however, is nothing more than a bunch of transphobic dinglemuffins dingling their muffins all over one of the most unjustifiably maligned groups in the country yet again. As it happens, on a personal level, I've already been "boycotting" Bud Light for roughly as long as I've been drinking, mostly because if I want to drink something that tastes like water, I'd prefer it not to be yellow. This whole issue has also brought to light AB InBev's sizable donations to organizations that are also transphobic dinglemuffins or otherwise seek to harm queer people, so moving forward I'm actually going to be following any developments in their choices of donor (since it sounds like they've been pulling a lot of them in the wake of this boycott and that may lead to less reprehensible decisions in the future) and may dig a little deeper to ensure that I avoid supporting them at all in the future, so it's not like I don't think they should ever be boycotted. I'm taking issue with why this particular boycott is happening.

I'm not criticizing boycotting as a concept. I'm criticizing transphobic dinglemuffins for being transphobic dinglemuffins. If you find yourself offended by this criticism because you are yourself a transphobic dinglemuffin, I offer the suggestion of trying to not be a transphobic dinglemuffin, for the simple reason that transphobic dinglemuffins are shit.

chelle posted...

Provide examples or shut the fuck up, thanks.

Oh, I wouldn't say examples are needed. The boycott campaign for Legacy was pretty widely publicized, and I can guarantee WB fully expected it. They marketed the game very aggressively, carefully curated who reviewed it in sending review copies to major outlets (to avoid reviewers whose pro-trans bias might colour the review), and threw in an obvious token trans character. WB knew the backlash against Rowling for being a transphobic dinglemuffin was a legitimate threat to the game's success, so they worked very hard to offset it.

In the context of what I quoted, do you believe that your response to it fits?

Because I don't think it did, seeing as it never addressed what I requested.

Were you not asking for examples of "[throwing] a fit over the Hogwarts game"? Given that we're in a topic laughing at the Bud Light boycott, providing examples of that seems unnecessary, and the third part of his post criticizing the supposed lack of self-awareness is just a commentary on the first two observations and not something that needs an example to be cited. My point is that it's pretty common knowledge that the boycott campaign happened, so unless you're asking specifically for examples of "throwing a fit" (which I read as being mostly hyperbole, but also won't be too hard to find specific examples of because Tumblr exists), I don't think it's terribly necessary to provide any.

Uh huh.

Anyways, still not related to my post.

Okay.

adjl posted...

Oh, I wouldn't say examples are needed. The boycott campaign for Legacy was pretty widely publicized, and I can guarantee WB fully expected it. They marketed the game very aggressively, carefully curated who reviewed it in sending review copies to major outlets (to avoid reviewers whose pro-trans bias might colour the review), and threw in an obvious token trans character. WB knew the backlash against Rowling for being a transphobic dinglemuffin was a legitimate threat to the game's success, so they worked very hard to offset it.

No proof that actually happened.

Revelation34 posted...

No proof that actually happened.

There is absolutely proof that they threw in an obvious token trans character, in that if you play the game there's an obvious token trans character in it. Token trans characters don't just arise spontaneously, after all, so somebody had to put them in there, and given how carefully corporate screens mainstream entertainment to ensure rogue developers don't sneak through any guerilla messages that might irritate the core demographic, there's pretty much a 0% chance it wasn't a corporate decision.

As for the reviewer curation, that's common practice in any situation. Publishers don't send review codes to reviewers that they can't trust to praise them. Direct proof of review manipulation is generally going to be hard to come by, for what I would hope are obvious reasons, but in this case there are enough accounts of reviewers that struggled to get codes (even IGN had to beg for one), and I was able to dig up an article where a former producer for the game talks about how the game's marketing was focused heavily on fans so as to ensure that they developed their opinions and made their purchase decisions before potentially-biased reviews came out:
https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/02/13/former-hogwarts-legacy-producer

That makes sense, and is consistent with what I've seen. It's happened plenty of other times, one of the more recent examples being Cyberpunk: If the fanbase gets hyped up enough before the game comes out, reviewers suggesting that there's anything wrong with it get accused of bias, harassed, and sometimes even assaulted (as happened with one reviewer who said she generally liked Cyberpunk, but issued a major seizure warning for it. People sent her seizure trigger videos to get her back for daring to be so critical). If Hogwarts' reviews had been bad across the board, the fans that had gotten invested in the game through the extensive previews and whatnot would have ignored those scores, making that a very effective strategy under the circumstances.

So about that beer lol Maybe don't say you're contracted with a brewery when you actually aren't

https://www.thedailybeast.com/brewery-immediately-dropped-woke-free-beer-after-seeing-transphobic-ad?utm_source=web_push

You hate to see it.

/s

they've now moved brewing to georgia, filmed a bunch of videos there about it

that brewer has also pulled out since then lol

Just what we need

wish they would bring back Castlemaine XXXX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJwJc6Yppo