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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:54:00 PM
#186
Anyway I'm arguing that no adjustments be made to the stats because it's just a waste of time and as Leonhart said it solves basically nothing to adjust Mario up. But yeah, Clouderoth vs Trainers wasn't that off. That's a 51-49 at most so yeah Mario would beat Cloud by a lot if they met up. Don't be overly clingy to past results, Cloud vs Seph just weren't that good here.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:51:00 PM
#181

From: LeonhartFour | #175
Yes, but it doesn't usually hold for the rest of the match.


Well, the issue with Trainers vs Cloud/Seph is Cloud/Seph retook the lead a little before Trainers would start to naturally regain strength, a bit before the ASV. I wouldn't say Trainers had any unnatural stalling for more than a few hours in a match, which is pretty typical for a close match.

Like take Master Chief vs Frog in 2004-- was there any argument that Chief be adjusted over Frog? Frog had unnatural stalling for like 6 hours in that match.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:48:00 PM
#177

From: creativename | #173
Yeah, and one could look at today's match and say that Mario vs. Bowser would barely beat Cloud vs. Sephiroth.

Please. Let's not be brain dead. I mean please.


Yeah. Let's not be brain dead, I agree. Let's do the thing that makes sense and assume there's significant SFF today rather than some sort of statistical anomaly in Trainers vs Cloud/Seph.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:46:00 PM
#172

From: LeonhartFour | #170
No, it isn't.

His rationale is that something clearly weird started happening, trends-wise, right around the time FFVII was threatening to take over the match and run away with it, and FFVII would have won easily if that doesn't happen.

Which is something we've actually seen happen multiple times in these contests.


That happens every time, though. That's not a stat anomaly that's how close matches go down.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:42:00 PM
#165
And in fact I'd call it more absolutely silly to claim that Mario isn't being SFFed at all in this match.

I think Mario getting his usual dose of SFF from Link puts him down by about as much as it does today if you assume Mario beats Cloud vs Seph with ~56%.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:41:00 PM
#162

From: creativename | #159
blah blah blah


So you're saying Mario vs Bowser beating Cloud vs Seph with ~56% is absolutely silly to argue?

Because I can totally argue that. Based off of previous matches in the contest, even. There were a lot of signs of Mario vs Bowser being significantly stronger than Cloud vs Sephiroth in this contest-- it's not "absolutely silly"

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:37:00 PM
#157

From: LeonhartFour | #156
Well good, go ahead and tell me how much there is then so I can make a proper adjustment based on past Rivalry Rumble matches so we can make sure our stats are accurate for future Rivalry Rumbles.


Exactly. This is why I say don't adjust at all.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:34:00 PM
#153
Eh no KP's right though. I could see Pokemon beating Link with the board vote. It's just that ridiculous at that point.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 4:32:00 PM
#150
Yeah ultimately the whole adjustment thing is just silly. I would just leave everything 100% unadjusted because lol this format being used again.

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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Mage/Wizard - Day #13
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12/20/11 4:03:00 PM
#45
Rin Tohsaka
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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 3:56:00 PM
#130
People are assuming Red is non-linear I'd imagine. I personally see no reason for that except for trying to cling onto the idea that Cloud is the third strongest in the bracket cause IT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH PREVIOUS STATS.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 3:35:00 PM
#124
Link never faced Cloud in 2002.

Beat Sephiroth 56.65 I think that was the biggest challenge in that one. Villains contest Seph is the champion unless Link breaks 58.17 here.

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TopicRate the Game: Yo! Noid
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12/20/11 3:19:00 PM
#13
7

Not sure if that's a fair rating but whatever.

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TopicMario/Sonic VS Link/Ganondorf
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12/20/11 3:17:00 PM
#12

From: NeoElfboy | #007
Link/Ganondorf would win on site easily, I'd bet by over 60/40. Mario/Sonic is an artifact from the early 90's which many voters wouldn't even care about any more. It's the second most overhyped rivalry for "doing well in contest" purposes behind Charizard/Blastoise if you ask me.


This whole site is all about artifacts from the 90s. Seriously. Voting against nostalgia is a bad idea.

Anyway yeah Mario vs Sonic probably wins that. By a lot, even. 55/45 at least.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 3:13:00 PM
#117

From: LinkMarioSamus | #081
-Personally, I'd never play a fighting game for storyline

-Scorpion and Sub-Zero seem to be easily at the forefront of the MK franchise, and the rivalry practically being MK9's box art, combined with how both of them are midcarders while we've never seen any other MK character make a contest...


For the first point, you can't use that defense for Mortal Kombat and then turn around and say you play Mario and Zelda games for the storyline. It just doesn't work.

For the second point, there are a lot of things more significant to the MK storyline than Sub-Zero vs Scorpion. The tournaments as a whole, the outworld/earth conflict, whatever the crap keeps happening with Liu Kang (I'm pretty sure he's been killed and brought back to life 8 times now). It's pretty nuanced and then there's just the fact that there are dozens of playable characters putting even less focus on it.

As for Pokemon doing so well, I feel Red/Blue represent all the Pokemon games, simply because the formula in those games changes so little. Final Fantasy is constantly evolving so Cloud/Seph doesn't resonate with fans of every game in the series.

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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Mage/Wizard - Day #13
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12/20/11 2:59:00 PM
#32
Ilya
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TopicSave My **Dissidia** Characters (Day 31)
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12/20/11 6:20:00 AM
#6
Sephiroth

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TopicAre cheese closer to salty or sour?
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12/20/11 6:19:00 AM
#12
I think sharp cheddar is closer to spicy than sour but yeah I guess "tangy" is more fitting.

Then you've got stuff like pepper jack which is actually spicy.

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TopicIs it possible for Link to go up 4%?
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12/20/11 6:16:00 AM
#6
Oh and he also has to deduct 1000 of Mario's votes while doing this

He's Link so he'll probably find a way to do that

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TopicIs it possible for Link to go up 4%?
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12/20/11 6:13:00 AM
#5
He needs to get 1000 more votes on his lead while getting 100% of the vote in the process, actually. A lot different than getting 1000 votes more on his lead while Mario is still getting a bunch of votes.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 6:10:00 AM
#77
Well I just don't think people are voting for the rivalry itself as much as voting for the games the rivalries are in, because I figure most voters aren't really thinking about the question-- cause who cares about rivalries anyway? I mean, It's just kinda telling when so few rivalries that are only featured in one or two games did very well at all-- almost all the sluggers are from stuff that recurs ad nauseam.

This is different from characters that are in a lot of games. It's easier to say "I like this character" than "I like this rivalry" because it's a question that's actually like, relevant to game talk.

So while I see your points, I don't really agree that's why things are as they are. Your perspective also doesn't explain why rivalries like Sub-Zero vs Scorpion did well, since the MK storyline has just as much crap going on as FFVII's, really.

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Topictransience's top 10 games of the year -- and some other stuff.
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12/20/11 6:02:00 AM
#118
Also for some reason I skipped the first page without realizing it-- missed the MK9 write-up.

if you're high on fighting games with content you just need to play fighters that aren't made by Capcom (and to a lesser extent SNK). Most Guilty Gear games have a lot of single player content. Pretty sure Blazblue games do too. Soul Calibur and (lol) Tekken have a lot. The new King of Fighters has a lot of crap in it too. Capcom always just kinda short ends the stick on that route though. I think Street Fighter Alpha 3 is the only game they have that has any decent amount of single player content, but the genre has it if you look in the right places!

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Topictransience's top 10 games of the year -- and some other stuff.
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12/20/11 5:54:00 AM
#117
In FFT it'd be a lot more significant cause you don't have a 8-12 man squad though. I never had a problem putting one or two guys off to the side for a while because you just don't need all the firepower of your whole squad you for most battles.

And you kinda do have that problem in FFT anyway if you don't wanna grind and want to have an unorthodox class combination. Like I usually like starting one of my characters as Black Mage early, then sending him through the fighter classes to get samurai when katanas show up. Problem is almost all the physical classes have bad magic attack so he just kinda sucks for a while-- not dead weight to the extent of Tactics Ogre low level guys, but at least in Tactics Ogre I don't have to actually use the weaker guys in battle for them to level up.

Random note, one of my biggest problems with Tactics Ogre's battle system is that level factors into the damage equation. If that wasn't the case I bet the lower level guys wouldn't be terrible dead weight. Probably was less of an issue in the original but still, it's a dumb mechanic!

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TopicAre cheese closer to salty or sour?
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12/20/11 5:47:00 AM
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Wouldn't really call The Laughing Cow sour. Granted I'm not sure I'd call it salty either.

I'd say most cheeses are closer to spicy than either of those.

If I have to pick between those two though most would be more salty I guess.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 5:44:00 AM
#74
But Sephiroth's main bit when antagonizing the party is "you're a puppet Cloud ha ha." The only time Sephiroth isn't screwing with Cloud when you encounter him is when he's off doing his own thing.

And yeah Mario and Zelda games are less plot driven so I'm not sure why bringing up gameplay elements is a bad thing here!

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Topictransience's top 10 games of the year -- and some other stuff.
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12/20/11 5:36:00 AM
#115
Tactics Ogre has just a bit too much for me. I got distracted by too many sidequests and stuff and didn't finish Chaos and Neutral route due to getting tired of the game after around 100 hours. I'd rather have done those than the sidequests. The gameplay is also a pretty significant step down from FFT-- classes are lacking a lot in variety. Still a great game and probably my #1 for the year, but I haven't played all that many titles from this year either.

And since I have to say it every time you bring it up, I still think you're down on the level system too much. Classes catch up pretty quick and they don't have to do anything but just be brought to the battle to get exp! The only classes that really took effort to catch up to my party were the ones you don't get till like chapter 4... which are basically just the overpowered character specific classes anyway.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 5:18:00 AM
#72
I think that's a weird opinion to have. Jenova and the lifestream more significant than Sephiroth? Really?

But I mean even if you go that way, you could say the same things about like... exploration and puzzle solving in Zelda, and obtaining stars or whatever in later Mario games, so yeah.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/20/11 5:09:00 AM
#41
I was too busy trying to hype the board on the possibility of Mario beating Link to have such a post, but I just provided you logic that was obviously there. Unless you think my post's logic is contrived in some way you shouldn't really think that this result is something that you couldn't see coming. And it's clear that some other people saw it too, so yeah.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 5:07:00 AM
#70
I think Final Fantasy VII is as much or more about Cloud vs Seph than Mario vs Bowser or Ganondorf vs Link are representative of their respective series.

The issue there is that it's representative of Final Fantasy VII, and Final Fantasy VII alone, whereas the Nintendo guys are representative of an entire series.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 3:04:00 AM
#66
I've been saying this contest is basically just a proxy series contest (cept in the case of series that have multiple well defined rivalries within entries in the series that all have their own following) for a long time now. So in short, I agree to some extent.

I'm not sure Mario vs Bowser "better represents the series" but I think that's how people are voting it, anyway.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 2:52:00 AM
#63
Yeah. It's kinda sad that I never felt like the winner was in any doubt, though. Kind of a sign that I've become jaded towards these things, I guess.

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TopicLopen's kanji learning quest topic... FUNSHINE TURBO...?
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12/20/11 2:49:00 AM
#218
Roof beated. Only took like an hour I was closer than I thought. Not too many issues now that I'm not trying to get the lines completely literally, though I'm still somewhat skeptical as to how much it's helping given how much I'm using Rikai to limp through the lines. I guess the biggest benefit I feel I'm getting is by asking newbie questions.

Once again didn't clear out the queue but I might do that tonight before I sleep. Stats anyway because why not.

Card Maturity
Mature cards: 864 (25.5%)
Young cards: 333 (9.8%)
Unseen cards: 2190 (64.7%)
Average interval: 56.0 days

Correct Answers
Mature cards: 98.7% (548 of 555)
Young cards: 90.6% (6669 of 7357)
First-seen cards: 94.2% (1127 of 1197)

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/20/11 12:44:00 AM
#37
Like, I'm not trying to come off as an ass. I just don't like the vibe that you're giving that this is a total blindside result. It's really really not-- the third place match gives you a really good ballpark of where this should hit. I'm not going to say you're dumb not to pick 55-60, because you can argue for upset picks on the other sides (or Mario if you want a manly upset pick-- I wouldn't pick that though because I wouldn't want all my eggs in a basket and Mario winning would make me happy even if he cost me the contest).

Higher than 65 is completely absurd though. The strongest Mario we've seen by far shouldn't get beaten down by Link by the most we've ever seen especially when extrapolation without SFF says this is close to a 50/50.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/20/11 12:30:00 AM
#35
No. I stopped playing the battle challenge because I lost all my points on Dante/Sora midcontest. I don't need a perfect score to realize what the favored percentage should've been here, though.

I actually would've went Link 50-55 if I had the points anyway as a calculated risk so that approach is moot anyway though.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/20/11 12:24:00 AM
#57
Unless you believe Pokemon is nonlinear (or that Mario SFFed it) there is a bit (but not too much) SFF in Link's favor here.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/20/11 12:22:00 AM
#33

From: iGenesis | #029
Right but who would've seen that coming.


Anyone who has a good idea of how Link/Mario SFF usually goes, Pokemon SFF usually goes, and who paid attention to the last 3 matches. 55-60 should've been the favored pick here. 50-55 should've been the "upset" pick. 60-65 should've been the "this is somewhat unlikely and is going to catch most people who are too attached to Link getting between 60 and 65 against Mario in previous contests so don't go with this" pick. Higher is actually a worse pick than just going with Mario, which had an outside shot.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/19/11 11:20:00 PM
#53
There are only a few hundred that should realistically be concerned with the range.

Granted I'll buy a lot of voters being stupid but yeah. It still shouldn't be that high.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/19/11 11:14:00 PM
#28
Eh. I wouldn't be surprised to see a straight Link pick be good enough for top 5 once ineligible entries are taken out and suicides are taken out.

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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 158: A Couple of Indy Schmucks
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12/19/11 11:11:00 PM
#64
Well like a normal Kane beatdown he'd choke him out, then throw him through a table, then attach electrodes to his testicles and shock him.

Since it's PG the last one would just be some stomps nowadays but yeah. Gentle by Kane standards. Seemed like he was just trying to remove his resistance so he could rip the shirt off of him.

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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 158: A Couple of Indy Schmucks
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12/19/11 11:03:00 PM
#62
Well the fact that they're so blatantly addressing the fact that Kane is being stupid this time around kinda says to me that there's actually a reason for it this time.

I seriously do think my theory about the shirt has some merit-- wasn't really a joke! Kane basically putting Cena down "gently" (by Kane standards) and ripping Cena's shirt off and carrying it away was kinda weird.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/19/11 10:56:00 PM
#21
The argument for Link ending below 60% is pretty easy.

- Link got 58% on Cloud
- Mario got 56% on Pokemon Trainers, and Pokemon has proven to resist SFF pretty well in the past.
- Pokemon beat FF7.

Like assuming no SFF in Mario/Link the match ends like 52-48 or something. You're expecting a lot of SFF between the two to have Link go above 60%, or an uncharacteristic SFFing of Pokemon. Much more than Mario's eaten in the past by a good amount. Forget 70%.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/19/11 10:49:00 PM
#18
Obviously I meant Link vs Ganon.

You can compare SFF matches and non SFF matches pretty easily if you know how. Think about it-- Mega Man vs Wily got almost 25% on Link. To think Mario would only beat that by 5% despite looking a hell of a lot more beastly in this format is just a bad pick, sorry.

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TopicWhy Did They Lose Again? Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth
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12/19/11 10:46:00 PM
#47

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #044
So you just got your ass handed to you against Link and Ganon, and while you're still surviving and getting to an Inn, guess who you run into? GARY MOTHER****ING OAK.


This is the best one.

Honorable mention to the mosey one.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/19/11 10:43:00 PM
#12
Also yeah picking Link vs Ganondorf with 70% is a sign of not paying attention to this contest and weighing previous years too much. Especially after Pokemon Trainers beat Cloud and Seph.

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TopicFrom Perfect Battle Entry to 0 points - The "Welp, I screwed up" Club
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12/19/11 10:39:00 PM
#8
55-60 is probably the winner here. 50-55 is an outside shot. 60 or higher seems out of the question

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TopicIf It Were Up to Board 8 FINAL: Pokemon Trainers vs Phoenix Wright/Edgeworth
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12/19/11 10:23:00 PM
#36
Wright/Edgeworth

Pretty expected, though at least one of these rivalries is actually good

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1041
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12/19/11 10:09:00 PM
#44
Yeah 60-65% is pretty much dead in the water. Mario's frontloadedness didn't extend past the board vote I don't think.

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TopicSave My **Dissidia** Characters (Day 30)
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12/19/11 10:00:00 PM
#51
Tidus

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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 158: A Couple of Indy Schmucks
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12/19/11 9:58:00 PM
#56
Man, I hope Kane comes out next time wearing an armband that says HATE made out of John Cena's shirt that he took.

That's the only way I can respect the sense in him attacking Cena over Mark Henry, the guy who put him out.

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