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First of all that's directly a sequel

Second of all if you know who Frodo is and what Middle Earth is you actually don't need to have seen Fellowship to follow it whatsoever. I think the only thing that might be a bit confusing is that scene with Gandalf and the Balrog early on. The rest is extremely easy to follow even if you don't know exactly what the ring is or whatever.

But on that scene with Gandalf and the Balrog, they specifically had that in that movie and not at the end of fellowship because it was a well written movie and they wanted Gandalf to not appear out of literally nowhere if you were starting with that movie

I guess I'd only not count it as one sitting for a very extended break like going to bed or work where it would have just made more sense to save the game and reload when you came back.

Like to me even an hour long break would be fine if something urgent came up.

scarletspeed7 posted...

What a bizarre argument. Good try on the gotcha moment, but I'm not interested in Lopen games.

Lol. Ok. You're literally contradicting yourself in back to back posts in an attempt to argue with me from both sides and I'm playing the games?

Like I really think this the culture of binging series wholesale on Netflix has distorted the reality of what series based storytelling actually is, or frankly ever has been. By and large I would say good TV series need only a basic working knowledge of the cast and setting for episodes to be compelling. I recently picked The Mandalorian season 2 back up while stopping in the middle of it about a year ago, forgot completely what was going on in the last few episodes. Didn't miss a single beat. Why? Cause you know Mando and Baby Yoda and that's all that's really needed for the episodes to work.

I've seen random out of place episodes for dozens and dozens of series, due to watching with friends and family, and it's generally completely fine. Next Disney plus series maybe try skipping from episode 2 to 5 just as an experiment-- see whether it greatly hinders your ability to enjoy what's going on or not. I bet you'll be surprised.

Like I guess to simplify what I'm saying

My problem wasn't

"Oh no I forgot what happened in Civil War I'm so confused"

It was

"What the heck is going on. Ok I've managed to determine this takes place after Civil War by some random name drops. And now were running around getting shot at and fighting some more"

If the movie didn't have the crutch of "Hey I can say The Sokovia Accords and now you can know exactly what's going on and we dont need to waste any time with dialogue boom boom lets goooo" I dare say it would have actually slowed down the pace a little bit, unpacked some things, and made me care about what was going on. This is only a thing it was allowed to do because it was in the MCU, so I'd argue being in the MCU hurt the movie in this case.

I do remember Civil War. But I'm saying the movie is not structured in a way that allows it to function without having seen Civil War. This is not, despite what you're claiming, generally speaking, how MCU movies work. I think only Endgame is guilty of this, and that's literally "part 2" in the title. At a stretch you could say it's true of Infinity War as well but yeah.

You saying TV shows do this is a cop out. Well written TV shows do not in fact do this. Episodes generally stand on their own. No you will not know exactly what's going on if you havent seen previous episodes-- that's OK. There is a difference between "there is no flow to what is going on and I cant being myself to care about this because it feels like a random sequence of events" and "I don't remember exactly the history which led up to this." The former is a sin that being part of a bigger franchise enables, the latter is what you're describing and is the necessary evil.

scarletspeed7 posted...

I gotta say, this is exactly my point. You don't complain when a television show doesn't handhold the less discerning viewers about what is happening on the show

scarletspeed7 posted...

I wholeheartedly disagree with this idea that tying into the greater franchise had any effect at all on the movie which almost entirely felt as though it disregarded the MCU as a whole.

Wait...

Are you being a double agent spy twist in post form here. Is that what you're doing?

Well I only saw the first hour or so as I said but I actually do think the MCU connection did hurt Black Widow

Like the movie kinda just assumes "oh you've seen Civil War you know what's going on" and skips the pleasantries on fleshing out what is actually going on in the world at large-- which is part of why I was like "okay what is going on." And then when I figured it out, mostly due to remembering other movies rather than anything presented within, the follow-up became "and why do I care."

A movie that wasn't so deeply rooted within a bigger franchise would spend some time painting a clearer picture and that would give the plot some desperately needed time to breathe and to remind me on why I should actually care.

Ha I actually clearly remember renting this game when I was like 8

Remember that first area clearly but nothing more. I probably also got stopped by the boat.

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I love the game, one of the greats-- but not for the story. The plot is inoffensive but almost painfully generic. That's not to say it's all bad.

Some of my favorite video game characters are in this game, but they are limited to support conversations for characterization as they're relegated to minor side roles in a hurry, and it lacks the raw number of conversations available in more recent entries. Now don't get me wrong what scant support convos are in this game are probably the best in the series of what I've played, but some characters only have like 3 support options so it's pretty limited.

In terms of actual featured characters Hector is great but can't really carry the show by himself.

I was gonna focus on Raijin + Lightning first but that's good to know if it's a problem to get 5/5 on someone-- go harder for Raijin

Bleh figures one I want 3 item sets for (Raijin, Edgar, Lightning) has a short season. Not sure I can take Blue Dragon to get Lightning's for free either.

It's actually me

Technically I think the setup would work without a one role bodyguard if you just altered the recruiter/enabler dynamic, I was just trying to alter the idea behind the setup as little as possible (Luis clearly wanted the mason recruiter to actually be able to recruit people)

Luis's setup was fine IMO just needed some tweaking.

mnkboy907 posted...

No no, there are no Spider-Man characters because Spider-Man is a Captain America character.

Goblin was in Spider-Man first, so Green Goblin is a Spider-Man character, but Holland Spider-Man isn't.

I'm not overly fond of the old Tobey Spiderman (it's fine-- only Spiderman 2 is particularly good though) but I think Goblin was much better in NWH than Spiderman.

Was expecting the elim to be Green Goblin based on people saying Spidey peep bloodbath

Pretty surprised to see Goblin outlast so many Spiderman characters even if I thought he was amazing in the movie

Then Robin upgrade on Frederick makes him able to bodyguard anyone and gain a one shot bulletproof

I actually think letting the bodyguard know which player in the game is Chrom (without necessarily letting him know he's a mason recruiter) would be fine. It'd be like almost starting with a mason buddy but not quite

The alternate simpler variant is to keep Chrom as mason recruiter+enabler but only make him do ONE of the things, not both, depending on who the role is.

You could give him like 3 power roles to unlock that wouldn't be recruited, 6 recruits, and 4 scum.

I feel like that's actually a severely underpowered town, but it does let the mason recruiter do recruity things without rng involved and without being a pseudo-cop, and it also lets you avoids certain overpowered roles you may not want to be recruited (like a cop-- not sure you want a mason cop) being recruitable

I like complexity though so give me the first setup every time

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Personally I would have made the setup as follows.

Chrom as one man mason recruiter, with role details of the recruit being posted in the mason board when he recruits them
Robin is enabler as a town (basically the thing Chrom had built in separated into a second role-- if she targets Chrom she joins the masonry as the upgrade)

Frederick as Bodyguard who autoguards Chrom (but not as a mason so he doesn't know who Chrom actually is until recruited)

Robin can upgrade scum and town alike
Chrom has no failure rate on recruiting town
If he recruits scum it fails, except on Grima who will be recruited with a different version of Robin's text (not an enabler, maybe the other gender ha ha-- okay probably not).

To me this does a few things.

1. Less RNG
2. Grima has counterplay because eventually Robin flips or becomes recruited herself and that makes Grima showing as Robin suspicious.
3. Chrom doesn't have a mason buddy to start which makes building the masonry slower
4. Because Chrom is separated into two parts the game has more depth if he's killed early

Chrom failing on scum every time to me is okay-- it basically makes him a beefier cop which is ok if you don't have a cop out of the box. You could even make none of the vanillas upgrade into a cop to make things even safer.

Needless to say I was thinking about what the setup might be for a while as I had figured out Chrom was likely mason recruiter pretty early

Corrik7 posted...

We shot Ben night 1. And when he wasn't dead I said. Well we lost! lol

If you thought a claimed mason that you couldn't kill would lose you the game why were you not roleblocking it lol (also why would you not assume the mason bodyguard didn't stop the shot)

I... uhh

Yes?

Very borderline though. I think it's more of a tepid "I like that he exists" kinda thing than any sort of true fondness for the character. Like some vague nostalgia for the cereal channeled through a mascot that isn't outright obnoxious like the Trix kids.

The sad truth is the market doesn't actually care about current events on a day to day basis as it works on a level that has already seen stuff like this coming.

The only reason the market reacts to them is a ploy to trick people into panic selling/buying. Markets are going up because banks need more liquidity and short selling has been over-extended. The fed talk is completely irrelevant today. QQQ dipped and then pretty much instantly resumed its trajectory.

Window to invest at a discount is probably rapidly decreasing. Bear markets historically don't usually last for more than 6 months-- we're over 3 months into this one

I'm just hoping we get a TYDE news drop before the bear market ends. I mean the benefit to being on BBIG is I've kinda been insulated from the market after it tanked my holdings late last year before the market tanked, but I would like to get some discounts.

It's kinda weird that hero equipment kinda completely obsoletes relic equipment

I wonder if they'll start putting inheritable effects onto relics at some point to make drawing them have a use other than getting the soul breaks

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Unless someone else brings up a youtuber good rule of thumb is to assume no one cares

QQQ stop loss hunting more transparent than a biopharm pennystock at this point

This market is a sham

Depends on whether hedge funds are done shorting the market yet or think they can continue to push their luck

Realistically any fed rate hike should be priced in at this point, so you can't expect the market to go down as a result based on being rational

But it's not about rationality. It's all going to be about spin from the media

"It wasn't worse than expected" - shorts cover a bit, market goes up
"OH NO THE RATE HIKE WE ALL KNEW WAS COMING IS HERE" - more shorting

Realistically the market is going to do what the market is going to do no matter what is said. I personally think it will go up because China has pledged to keep supporting the foreign market-- at some point big Chinese money will buy the dip if they get too greedy. Also because it's officially a bear market now more people will be buying puts so there's less incentive to relentlessly drive everything down.

I mean if the rate hike isn't what is expected, then yeah it might go up or down more or less. But it probably will not be all that different and markets will do what gets them the most money.

Yes. My friend actually has a board

Imo it's inferior to Chess and Xiangqi though

Also know Mahjong but only ever played that online

Riddler is my favorite even when considering the Joker

I'm alright at Chess I guess? I used to be around 1600-1700 rating based on Yahoo/Facebook/Chessmaster and have read up on some opening theory and stuff. Probably lower now cause I haven't played in forever.

I never really had anyone to play against to get better though.

Poker I know the hands but strategy and all that who knows.

I just didn't know what was going on outside of the intro.

"Feels like a phase 2 movie" sounds like high praise to me. I seriously was thinking of Mortal Kombat Annihilation while watching it moreso than anything-- that's not hyperbole to drive home my distaste for the movie as much as the only movie I recall watching that made me feel so bored by action sequences

Well I THINK I caught it in late 2019-- really early, didn't know what it was at the time.

Had this flulike thing for over a week that had a completely relentless 102 degree fever that would not go down from ibuprofen-- never had that happen before. I also had bronchitis for months afterwards and my girlfriend who was sick at the same time developed pneumonia.

We had just been on a trip to Vegas so to me it seems likely.

But oherwise no. Been tested several times but never positive.

Funny thing is my portfolio value is close to the same because BBIG has only lost like $0.15 in the past 3 months.

Though I've lost a lot of time value on my options so that's made the numbers go down. Price target is the same though so I don't really care that these $10 call options are now worth $0.05. Still think it punches into that with Tyde.

Haven't watched Hawkeye yet so I'll leave the thing spoiler blocked.

It's a shame because I do actually like Black Widow. Wanted the movie to be good, but I'd put it pretty firmly in last place in the MCU based on the 50 minutes or so that I saw.

I guess I'll just continue considering Winter Soldier to be the Black Widow movie.

Just tried to watch Black Widow

I could not get through the first hour

It just feels like a random series of fight scenes. It's like the Mortal Kombat: Annihilation of the MCU. Am I missing anything by just skipping it?

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Hawkeye

The one time I played SK on b8 I just played it like an infinite shot vigilante (but kept shots at targets I didn't have a solid case on so it wouldnt be obvious I was shooting) because I didn't trust town to win otherwise.

I won that game btw.

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Mysterio

ChichiriMuyo posted...

But Lopen, they weren't playing the game. That's what was so frustrating to me, at the time I didnt know it but once they assembled the super friends they no longer needed to play mafia so a lot of them didnt. If Ben wasnt confirmed town I would have gone after him for all of his unfounded assertions. He kept making claims and never backed them up, but you cant really try to lynch confirmed town and get away with it.

I actually thought your frustration felt genuine and Corrik's felt fake to be fair

Like I mean I get it it sucked but at the same time leaving confirmed town alive that long was playing with fire anyway so while I don't think you all played a bad game from a scumminess perspective on the whole (but maybe I'm just bad since I kept thinking supposed obvtown were scum) you did on the decisionmaking front. Why kill red of all people so weird.

You seemed p scummy imo. Way too much trying to discredit people for not playing the game not enough actual scumhunting of your own.

The absurdity of your claim fitting into my vision of the wacky setup Luis had (which to be fair, wasn't entirely wrong now seeing how it works) is the only thing I thought seemed towny about you

True story Red flipping vanilla made me think Mason recruiter Chrom might upgrade people he targeted too because Tharja as a tracker is too perfect not to have

I was actually guessing Chrom was Mason recruiter in PMs with Luis seeing all the vanilla claims and flips early (and that its just in theme for Chrom to RECRUIT people). Not sure why scum wasn't blocking or killing Ben sooner

I also kinda believed both Corrik and Muyo claims due to overthinking setup

So I think if I was scum scum could have won this

My reads on who the scum were were terrible though (my scum suspects were Death Corrik Tidus Scare Chang Sheep) so I would have been dead weight as town

Looks so. Unless that didn't count

See loading backups sounds easy but so many in house IT don't know that they're needed or how to set then up in a way that actually helps in the case of an attack, or how to properly isolate the network and deploy backups when they're needed

Like I'm not saying IT is that hard but I'm just saying it's super easy to just coast as an IT provider and just hope nothing goes wrong

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I hate to say it cause I love Scott Hall but my first thought was "least surprising wrestler death ever"-- but that Nash post is so sad!