Board 8 > Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia - Topic 7 - Id (Purpose)

(+) Yeah! (+)

I will give you a hand that it was indeed creative.

Would chain-roleblocking Ben have stopped the recruiter train?

Probably

Isquen posted...

Would chain-roleblocking Ben have stopped the recruiter train?

Yep. Hard stopped.

True story Red flipping vanilla made me think Mason recruiter Chrom might upgrade people he targeted too because Tharja as a tracker is too perfect not to have

I'm fairly happy with how I played, honestly. My reads were obviously way off on Chris and MZero, but everything else was solid (I was enraged when everyone lynched Ulti instead of Muyo after I died). I was also genuinely annoyed when Chris got hammered early because I wanted to do what I did with Corrik and try to start a countertrain on Muyo to try and gain some more info even if I think I would have swapped back to Chris if it looked like he'd survive.

I'm also very glad I managed to scare scum enough to draw the shot away from Ben. Town was probably winning then anyway, but I enjoyed softclaiming power every other page for four days and then getting shot when I claimed vanilla.

Also there was an ~88% chance Tidus was scum by ZE METRICS.

Good thing he was obviously town~

Sheep007 posted...

I'm fairly happy with how I played, honestly. My reads were obviously way off on Chris and MZero, but everything else was solid (I was enraged when everyone lynched Ulti instead of Muyo after I died). I was also genuinely annoyed when Chris got hammered early because I wanted to do what I did with Corrik and try to start a countertrain on Muyo to try and gain some more info even if I think I would have swapped back to Chris if it looked like he'd survive.

I'm also very glad I managed to scare scum enough to draw the shot away from Ben. Town was probably winning then anyway, but I enjoyed softclaiming power every other page for four days and then getting shot when I claimed vanilla.

Ulti really only died because we were impatient and the game was over no matter who we lynched that day out of the 3.

oh also I enjoyed getting 3/4 of the scum team D2 when I made an imaginary scum team to partner Changmas

and nailing scum Death with my first post even if I regret not pushing that D1

still probably the only town game I've played on B8 I have been happy with!

PunishedBen posted...

Ulti really only died because we were impatient and the game was over no matter who we lynched that day out of the 3.

Yep.

Game was already over.

PunishedBen posted...

Ulti really only died because we were impatient and the game was over no matter who we lynched that day out of the 3.

Yeah I realised that when the mason recruiter thing happened but he looked so townie after Death's D1

You should be happy with your play, sheep, it's what got you killed. Most everyone else seemed like they were playing blind. Even when they were getting reads on scum it was usually for silly, nonsensical things. Which explains the two mislynches made by players who were "sure" they were right.

Sheep007 posted...

Yeah I realised that when the mason recruiter thing happened but he looked so townie after Death's D1

the "lynch me then scare then tidus" post is suuuper troll though

changmas posted...

the "lynch me then scare then tidus" post is suuuper troll though

that's just Ulti tbh and he was consistent with having awful reads all game (I presume because he was so busy he barely had time to read anything)

changmas posted...

the "lynch me then scare then tidus" post is suuuper troll though

Why not troll? After day 3 the masons had so much power the game was over. Even the town players who weren't masons were on the outside. They didnt even have to play mafia anymore, they were handed the win.

At one point I considered the possibility that sheep was also Mason. It was the only way Ben's claim on him made sense. I talked myself out of it before even bringing the idea up in discord because I realize the power masons grows exponentially as you add them, not linearly. I thought 3 Mason's was too powerful. 5 makes the game unwinnable for scumteam. You literally get to mislynch with total abandon because you have more masons than there are scum.

Isquen posted...

Corrik: why didn't you claim to be a bodyguard that wasn't willing to risk your neck?

Although I could be misinterpreting a Mafia role in general. Do amnesiacs usually gain the first person dead in general's ability (so the vanilla lynch) or the first night's kill?

Luis: what would the upgraded roles have acted like, including Corrik's?

Do you mean why did I? Because I did claim that.

The thinking for my claim was to claim something obviously fake and skate by on my solid play for one day on a mislynch. We would purposely not shoot the night of and I would say haha I am actually BP and I tricked scum into shooting me. The point for claiming bodyguard wasn't for the bodyguard to draw a shot but the nature of bodyguard being a fake claim and why would I be fake claiming as town here so they would shoot me as the point.

The plan was a long one that got scuttled by generally a lack of analysis. The people who did analysis of the game generally didn't find me to be scum, and I think my play lined up as town fairly well. The people who just threw darts at the board ultimately lynched me.

It's why we were only concerned with sheep and to a lesser extent Chang for basically the entire back half of the game. Scare, Ulti, Ben, Tidus, Red were all just coasting and doing nothing of note. I am sure a majority of them probably weren't even reading the game for long stretches if at all.

You seemed p scummy imo. Way too much trying to discredit people for not playing the game not enough actual scumhunting of your own.

The absurdity of your claim fitting into my vision of the wacky setup Luis had (which to be fair, wasn't entirely wrong now seeing how it works) is the only thing I thought seemed towny about you

Well I was trying to lay low as much as i could precisely so you wouldn't kill me, that's true

But Lopen, they weren't playing the game. That's what was so frustrating to me, at the time I didnt know it but once they assembled the super friends they no longer needed to play mafia so a lot of them didnt. If Ben wasnt confirmed town I would have gone after him for all of his unfounded assertions. He kept making claims and never backed them up, but you cant really try to lynch confirmed town and get away with it.

Oh. That's kind of how I play normally to be fair >.>

Ulti was only scum if Chris was scum in my mind, and if Chris was town Corrik needed to be hellmurdered immediately. Don't think it was really that complicated on that front.

red13n posted...

Ulti was only scum if Chris was scum in my mind, and if Chris was town Corrik needed to be hellmurdered immediately. Don't think it was really that complicated on that front.

Why

Not complicated. No explanation. What's the not complicated reasoning.

Yeah, Corrik kinda had to be lynched after Chris. I still preferred the Muyo lynch at the time because I was basically certain on it and hadn't seen much of anything bad from Corrik reading back, but Corrik basically had to be lynched soon through PoE in my eyes with Tidus, Ben, Chang, MZero and Ulti being likely town and Scare looking better than him.

Also making a mental note that MZero probably does have better reads than I thought when he's town and him wanting to lynch all the town in endgame was in fact just him being scum.

Sheep007 posted...

Yeah, Corrik kinda had to be lynched after Chris. I still preferred the Muyo lynch at the time because I was basically certain on it and hadn't seen much of anything bad from Corrik reading back, but Corrik basically had to be lynched soon through PoE in my eyes with Tidus, Ben, Chang, MZero and Ulti being likely town and Scare looking better than him.

Also making a mental note that MZero probably does have better reads than I thought when he's town and him wanting to lynch all the town in endgame was in fact just him being scum.

After the fact looking back bias. Ulti, Chang, nor Scare looked better than me. Tidus and Ben looked better simply for their roles. Nothing else.

Chang you had a slight scan on.

Sorry Chris!

Corrik7 posted...

After the fact looking back bias. Ulti, Chang, nor Scare looked better than me. Tidus and Ben looked better simply for their roles. Nothing else.

Chang you had a slight scan on.

You know that I said at the time that Chang, Tidus and Ulti looked like almost certain town and explained multiple times why that was the case. Ben was confirmed and would have looked bad without it, but that's a hypothetical and he had been confirmed by D2, and Scare looking so strongly town start of D1 along with Ben's read would've been enough for me to lynch you over him. Like, I voted you at the start of that day and instead of switching to Scare to try and save you with Chang, I went for Muyo. I think it's pretty obvious which lynch I preferred.

Also, I totally Hangutted on this Death post from page 2 of topic 1, and lack of confidence prevented me from identifying it as such :weary:

htaeD posted...

I wasn't really that serious.
Just pointing out something I noticed and wondering if others felt the same way.

Also Corrik what the hell.

I think if I didn't nap through end of day 1, I mayyyyy have convinced Chris to agree to lynch Death instead of Ulti/IGCD. Maybe. I was right in my read of IGCD, and I think I proooobably don't get pulled into the "lynch inactive" narrative.

And yeah, Corrik, you played well, but you were the only Scumteam member who really did, and then you made, frankly, a bad claim (even without Masons knowing how everything works, it was just way too many pieces that came together like water and oil).

ChichiriMuyo posted...

But Lopen, they weren't playing the game. That's what was so frustrating to me, at the time I didnt know it but once they assembled the super friends they no longer needed to play mafia so a lot of them didnt. If Ben wasnt confirmed town I would have gone after him for all of his unfounded assertions. He kept making claims and never backed them up, but you cant really try to lynch confirmed town and get away with it.

I actually thought your frustration felt genuine and Corrik's felt fake to be fair

Like I mean I get it it sucked but at the same time leaving confirmed town alive that long was playing with fire anyway so while I don't think you all played a bad game from a scumminess perspective on the whole (but maybe I'm just bad since I kept thinking supposed obvtown were scum) you did on the decisionmaking front. Why kill red of all people so weird.

At the time we believed he was a tracker as he claimed, so we were going after what we thought was confirmed town.

Eh, Chichiri was Scummy from his inability to put forward a real argument backed by logic. It was all words, no explanation. Only reason he lasted as long was from bad meta from people assuming that somebody who votes after deadline can't be Scum.

Sheep played the best of anyone this game. Tidus oozed Town, but he put his vote where it needed to be where it mattered, so credit there. And Red's fakeclaim was stellar work.

I think, ignoring roles and everything, what would have turned this into a Town victory was that, aside from Corrik, nobody on Scum earned any Townpoints. We made some bad lynches on people for being different/belligerently wrong, so there was definitely a path to victory. Scum were doing the hide thing though, and that's enough to get by, but not usually enough to pull the win.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I read everything. I just suck.

Me too Ulti. I pretty confidently identified Death and Chichiri as Scum and still spearheaded Chris and your lynches from the grave.

Oh yeah

Masons had a theory that Muyo voted after the day ended because he was responding to a scum ping that was old

how accurate was that

I'm also a new player. I dont have years of experience at this. I guarantee the reads I make day 1 and 2 are the same if I'm town you'd still have thought I was scum. But you're wrong that there was no explanation. You might not have liked my explanations but I had them.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I think, ignoring roles and everything, what would have turned this into a Town victory was that, aside from Corrik, nobody on Scum earned any Townpoints.

This is definitely what made Muyo look so bad. It's hard enough to play mafia well in general, and it's really hard to play scum with not much experience, but Muyo managed to go four whole days without a single post which made me think he was maybe town which is frankly impressive. MZero actually did get a fair bit of town cred from me! I liked a lot of his points and approaches (even if I felt they were incorrect) and he would have been the last scum alive without the role stuff. The issue was after killing me they had absolutely nobody else left alive who'd listen to him either which leads back to the whole "lack of towncred" thing

I honestly lost track of time at work. Legitimate mistake, no attempt to game the system at all. If you check discord you can see that I felt really bad about it, even if it did give us some advantage.

ChichiriMuyo posted...

I'm also a new player. I dont have years of experience at this. I guarantee the reads I make day 1 and 2 are the same if I'm town you'd still have thought I was scum. But you're wrong that there was no explanation. You might not have liked my explanations but I had them.

You didn't give posts where you thought I was dishonest though. That's what made me completely not believe you - you couldn't point to a spot and say "here".

The key to good Scum play is being believable. I pinged on Death early day 1 because he was clearly acting to me. If I was playing good, then I probably get Death lynched day 1 unless Chris opposes it.

But yeah, the late post thing was a mistake, I don't blame you at all, and I think Luis made the right call in not modkilling you. Everyone who called you Town for it though was doing bad meta :p

ChichiriMuyo posted...

I'm also a new player. I dont have years of experience at this. I guarantee the reads I make day 1 and 2 are the same if I'm town you'd still have thought I was scum. But you're wrong that there was no explanation. You might not have liked my explanations but I had them.

Idk how to explain why I scumread you so heavy (my reasons are probably different to Han's). It wasn't even the reads, it's just the way of going about things and how your posts felt. New town players often say oblivious but town-seeming stuff everywhere and bumble about a lot (see Tidus), but you seemed remarkably poised and well-informed despite it not being clear the groundwork was already there (Chang also seemed very poised and well-informed for a new player but the way he went about things felt like a clear process which came from a position of working the game out rather than just saying stuff, if that makes sense).

You're right, but you're also being pedantic. Dishonest wasnt the word I should have used there, but there was more than enough about your behavior the seemed off. I actually did point out i thought it was scummy that you were switching your votes just to pile on whoever had the most.

I'm sure id have done the leg work to point more things out as well, but by that point I knew you weren't making it to the next day. Sloppy, yes. I'll know for next time that I've gotta give a dog his bone, and just because han acts like a jerk doesnt mean he's scum.

Also I agree that y'all newbies played very well! There's always room for improvement but that goes for more experienced players too. Most of us have been playing for a decade plus (I started playing Mafia elsewhere on this site in 2012, and I'm fairly sure from this game only IGCD and possibly Ben began after me, outside of the four newbies) so the fact you showed up and held your own is very impressive. Hope to see you around again :)

To be fair, ulti, after the display you put on day 1 I was going to buddy up to regardless of my alignment.

ChichiriMuyo posted...

You're right, but you're also being pedantic. Dishonest wasnt the word I should have used there, but there was more than enough about your behavior the seemed off. I actually did point out i thought it was scummy that you were switching your votes just to pile on whoever had the most.

That also literally didn't happen, which was another hint that you were Scum. Your argument for finding me suspicious was fake.

But you did do that, and I did point it out. Someone else told me in the thread that you were probably just putting pressure on people but game 1 day 1 I couldnt have really known that.

You didnt switch as much as say corrick and they were ultimately pointless votes, but the way you voted day 1 looked like mindless pile ons.

Y know, I don't remember you specifying it was day 1. Maybe I missed it.

The funny thing is I only voted 3 people day 1, tho. Ulti voted 7!

i think it'd be interesting to see muyo play a game as town. imo it feels like you're underestimating the difficulty of correctly identifying scum

Newbies find it hard to play scum because they know alignments. The best way to play scum is to play it as you would town. Look for people who look scummy. Town does stuff all the time that looks scummy. And some scum can very well blend in. Just look for scummy stuff regardless of the alignments as scum and you will blend in well.

changmas posted...

i think it'd be interesting to see muyo play a game as town. imo it feels like you're underestimating the difficulty of correctly identifying scum

In a normal game, no. Looking back if I was town all my scum reads would have been wrong except Corrick. But in this game with the overabundance of Masons, yeah, it was too easy. There's very little way that with there being more Masons than Scum that the Masons don't get there.