Lurker > Leafeon13N

Fuck fandom.

Chang murdered a broken as fuck role when he could have easily justified killing corrik.

Kirby321 posted...

Oof nevermind I like MI again.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

The fuck are you doing kirby.

I dont claim flavor.

Unless there is specific game relevance.

NAI.

Also before anyone freaks out at me, yes I'm prepared to follow people onto peaf is that is something people think is a preferable direction.

I never consider my own opinion infallible unless i think there is a perfect solve(which yes sometimes i can be wrong shut up FD).

PunishedBen posted...

I was not prepared to spare Red though and dont really know where to go from here. That's like the first Red post I actually like >_>

I've been trying my best all day to get people to prepare to evaluate game state with red as town.

Meow1000 posted...

I still find it curious how seeing that claim made me think Corrik was probably town yet some people really seemed to jump on it.

I thought he was full of shit scum but nothing from corrik surprises me.

The vanilla claim made more sense but i didn't have enough justification to suddenly think he was town.

UltimaterializerX posted...

So Red AND Peaf finished on MI day one.

Id like reasons from both.

i love more competing lynches as town on day 1 and MI never pinged as anything more than a background player with little conviction.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sorry, what is it that you believe to be my wincon?

I dont know. I'm just spitballing.

But your role is nonstandard and has a condition.

Maybe you are just town, but you are never going to be met without some skepticism from me with that claim.

I dont think i left out anything important.

I am still confused with how much ben has been called 3p with igcd sitting openly with a 3p win con on the board all game.

It gives me slightly greater town lean to ben.

Anyway let me just lay out what is in my head.

Game state says i should want to lynch MI or Peaf.

Why i probably lean MI: As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak. He feels like a follower on my lynch rather than having any conviction. He hasn't been particularly strong hunting scum and has shown even less interest in actually helping with a solve. Its one thing to be wrong, but to be wrong and lazy doesn't feel like town. Town should be skeptical. MI the whole game has just felt lacking. The biggest thing he had going for him yesterday was i thought he had solid takes on corrik scum, but corrik flipped town.

Reason to not lynch him: the roleblock. This gives me the biggest hesitation.

What about peaf? Peaf has been tunneling the fuck out of me and my stupid brain still convinces itself town is more likely to have nerve to come after me than scum. This is not a townread of him. And i know at least 1 person recently figured this out and abused me with it. He still could be scum. But he hasn't crawled far below expectations like MI.

The rest:
Ben: so many people floating 3p for him is weird.

FD - has gotten a lot of credit for not contributing nearly as much as people seem to recall. Should oddly be skeptical of mzero because their roles fill a similar niche. Not sure anyone has pointed this out. I dont trust FD.

Mzero - FDs claim actually made this fit significantly less. But the way no one brought any of this up keeps my confidence in him being town. Its actually very possible he bamboozled us all but it is a claim we are safe not worrying about for a long time.

Ulti- stole lopens role? Possible. Again not a tree we bark right now but scum not shooting for protection makes his claim weird. But he is cop claim with a scum role to counter cop on the table. Speaking of, that actually points to a possibility of a no godfather game. We've kind of taken that for granted. Odds are ulti is fine. But the strong power roles all claimed have played out weirdly.

Death - people think hes godfather. I dont know why we bark that tree this early. Good game from him if hes scum. I maintain little interest here.

Ctes - you've seen my thoughts. If you all are shits and do murder me dont forget them.

Blade - i feel like corrik really fucked us if hes scum. I think he gave him easy outs to look like town and its hard to ever see beyond those. Shots from scum say hes probably just town but if not blame corrik.

Ive scumhammered like 3 games from Disneyland and 1 from Disney World.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

After 3-4 days off at the start of the game. Those days where you basically said nothing except argued with me -_-

So you're aware it's a scum tell and you went out of your way to avoid it? :D

I do in fsct try to avoid disneyland when I'm town.

And sometimes I'll intentionally go when scum.
.the rest of you caused this.

Sometimes i do go to Disneyland when town but i go a lot.

Team B

Actually out for a hair cut because work is stupid and requires short hair.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

red has had more days off this game AND he's posting from his alt today so i'm gonna take an educated guess and say... Disneyland?

Wait what i just got done working 6 days in a row.

I'm not at Disneyland i try to avoid it when I'm town I've gotten superstition.

PunishedBen posted...

Did red ever claim flavor

No.

changmas posted...

Its interesting that some are leaving ctes out of discussing possible scum in power claims

If ctes withholdding his claim doesn't provide town value, you murder him on the spot.

MZero posted...

But either way you're being way too aggressive about it

There is no such thing.

Mzero, i mean. Dumb m's

MZero posted...

mean you just keep telling MI his PoE is "objectively wrong" because you and Peaf can't possibly be scum together but obviously no one knows if that's true besides... you and Peaf

MI this has been explained over and over.

If you are going to read back the game and tell us how the fuck we are aligned have at it so i can tell you how fucking stupid that is.

MZero posted...

I kind of want Red lynched just because he's being a pompous jerk for some reason

For some reason oh gee i fucking wonder.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Yeah, I didn't like your attitude.

But at least now I don't think Peaf is your scummate!

It wasn't fucking attitude, it was information you yourself posted.

Which you decided to blow off instead of go "oh wait actually I'm wrong i should actually prepare for what this means:.

Kirby321 posted...

And because MI is a bad player, I feel like lynching a better player. Because I'm feeling spicy today.

This is so fucking dumb.

Stop trying to will people scum for no reason.

"I'm lynching you for being a better player" when everything we've seen from scum makes no fucking sense.

I could see it if there was some master plan to save knightz or wallz but you've got no scuk equity on my part there. The night kills have been fucking insanity.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Gee it's almost like I don't know things for sure and am trying to look at both sides to figure out the truth, go figure

I gave you where your PoE was wrong and you've basically blown me off.

Meow1000 posted...

I don't like how Red went from agreeing with me that Ben was scum to trying to coax Peaf into lynching me early in the day.

Are we really going to ignore context of ben claiming bp at the time.

PunishedBen posted...

I just ran with what others suggested, but if there's 3 or more it doesn't change the things I have stated. I have not been capping myself at 2 in these reasonings

Yeah well I'm in a position where i know your logic reveals only 1 scum if accurate.

So i have to move you beyond that in thinking.

PunishedBen posted...

Well do you think the last two scum are exactly Peaf and MI?

Honestly, I'm not quite sure why we've so readily gotten to last two scum.

Someone in power is almost certainly lying.

And if you need clarification to my question.

You have basically stated to me you think there is 1 scum in peaf and MI.

So where are you going from there?

PunishedBen posted...

And if either Red or MI are scum I think Peaf is town. Thats the important part for me

So where do you think the rest of scum are located?

PeaceFrog posted...

But like others have said, scum needs a long shot at that point. It's a wrong conclusion but at least he's coming up with something, red. Relax.

Me relax when someone is trying to kill me based on something blatantly wrong.

No fuck that.

Also I have to drop out to work soon if you all are seriously going to entertain peaf/red scumteam i dont know what the fuck to do to fix any of you.

So I'm hoping some of you will actually show up and talk sense because arguing nonsense is fucking painful.

Simple answer is maybe MI is just scum but i actually fucking need help and opinions from the rest of you and if somehow town actually thinks me and peaf are aligned i dont know what the fuck to do because it means you all went full insanity brained.

MI if you are town this is seriously embarrassing.

TotallyNotMI posted...

He still gives logic for why we should lynch Corrik instead, but going from 'I'd shoot him peaf right now if I could' to 'I'm not voting peaf even when he's tied with Corrik, let's lynch Corrik instead' doesn't feel like this INCONCIEVABLE PROOF that peaf/red can't possibly be scum together

Yes please tell us the master plan of bussing the fuck out of each other as your supposed final scumteam.

Holy fuck.

Like if you think i was somehow trying to not vote corrik to look town buddy like, seriously. No.

Just no.

TotallyNotMI posted...

then later say you're still fine with corrik being the lynch and don't vote

Oh no i didn't vote on a set lynch with igcd trying to hammer how fucking tragic.

When you get to a poe and your only suspevts make a scumteam that makes no sense.

Guess what?

Your scumteam is fucking borked and your trying to throw the fucking game(or are the scum).

PunishedBen posted...

I'll take your explanation for what was going on because apparently i need educated

Peaf has spent two days tunnel visioning the fuck out of me.

If you really think we're aligned after that and this is some masterclass scum theater with a high wire act you think way too fucking conspiracy brain.

Thats not a play that is high effort its just fucking suicide.

Especially if by this logic you are buying every power on the board.

Because with the kills that went on the supposed scumteam at that point is not playing to win.

Its a fucking joke POE.

PunishedBen posted...

If you both are scum, you cant exactly support each other. Everyone's POE was narrowed down to Peaf/Red/MI at the start of day 3

Do you want to amend this to what was actually going on or are we sticking to insincere or naive as fuck shit.

Like if anyone wants to stand by red/peaf scumteam please do so i can laugh at you for eternity.

And dont think i wont. I still poke at chris for disney mafia.

(If you guys actually think we're a scumteam holy fucking shit i give up. But not actually give up just never expect me to have an ounce of faith in your mafia play again).

Can someone with a little patience explain to MI why me and peaf are not a final scumteam.

Like holy fuck i am out of patience.

If you want to plead insanity please tell me what the fuck red and peaf are doing committing fucking suicide. Please go on.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I honestly have no idea what facts and evidence you're supposed showing to prove I'm wrong. I iso'd you in this topic and still don't understand what you're trying to say.

Your poe has me/ben/peaf.

Thinking peaf and i are scum together is fucking insanity.

You think ben is 3p and not mafia.

That leaves a poe that is debunked.

PunishedBen posted...

n. What's the alternative? That he's evil Pierce who thought he could get away with saying there's no evil Pierce in community? That we're both scum?

These are in fact on the table, yes.

Hell if i was in your position as town I'd be paranoid that he had access to your chats somehow with a flavor mistake that glaring and on the nose.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I think what I think. Just saying I'm wrong isn't going to change my thoughts.

You are wrong based on your own fucking thoughts.

Basically, you being wrong is not some opinion i am throwing your way.

Its literal fact based on your own beliefs.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I think what I think. Just saying I'm wrong isn't going to change my thoughts.

I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm showing the fucking evidence that you are wrong by your own logic.

Its not me saying you are wrong.

It is me literally pointing out the fsct you are wrong.

So at the very least fucking re-evaluate. You dont have a poe to stand by atm.

PunishedBen posted...

MI reminded us that we're both wrong. The fact FD was wrong about this means he did the same exact thing as me. And it means he certainly not evil Pierce, otherwise he wouldn't have pretended evil Peirce isn't a thing lol

This is a stretch imo ben. Definitely shouldn't be flavor clearing from your pov because its a weird mistske for both of you to make at once.