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I didn't really like P3 much so i voted Morgana.

Once I got to sleep I think I was fine. But now that I'm up I realize I just wanted to stay in bed for a good while. Oh well.

Now the hardest part of this may be convincing my brain it is okay to relax and sleep.

Metroid Dread

Eevee no rabbit.

I was recently reading a good case that Umbreon has some rabbit in him but he clearly doesn't have as much rabbit as say Espeon has cat.

But Eevee is fox.

Zachnorn posted...

You're trying to buy a video card, aren't you?

Yes.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You can get that membership refunded, or at least a friend of mine did.

Oh i absolutely did.

Rocket Raccoon

Crescent-Moon posted...

Isn't it... Almost 9am for you? Isn't this early?

You were half right. About the 9am part.

I'm definitely awake many hours later than i should be at this point.

I fudged some names there you know what i meant.

Crescent-Moon posted...

We have a pair we actually somehow end up agreeing on. Mike says he scanned the other one as town.

What do we do?

We look at all the info we have and see if it makes sense. At the very least it is 3 of us together.

Its the same situation as if you lynch tidus, he flips third party, and then mzero pops up saying someone is emet selch or whatever. Except in that situation you have two scum working together.

If you want to make the case Mike is just scum feel free, its possible. But I would like to hear how you justify his and his partners day 2 playing out because i dont see it right now.

To add, we have a general idea of at least some of mikes power. If we hit scum today, we gain the benefit of knowing what scum is packing and being able to link people together.

You hit mike find out he flips third party there is high potential to gaij nothing and be in 2v3 with no knowledge gained.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Mike comes in with a "scum scan" tomorrow.

What do we do?

This is why picking pairs is more important today.

You kill mike he flips third party you learn nothing. Scum kills one target roleblocks the other you learned nothing from the lynch gained no scans and now you've got two scum in cahoots that only need to convince one town.

You have 1 person that -might- not side with town vs two that -wont- side with town.

How do you look at that and say that with a straight face.

That is simply not true. 2v3 is very dangerous.

Sure, doesn't mean he is who we should be lynching.

Why intentionally put us in a 2v3 scenario where we dont gain information on who the 2 are with the prior lynch.

Again, survivor was probably the wrong word to use. You are looking at it wrong. No one should be looking to lynch third party in our current scenario.

Basically you are arguing for an SK like endgane scenario when there is no evidence of SK.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Mike is specifically survivor, he has no motivation to try to lynch scum today.

Survivor might be the wrong word, but his motivation in that scenario is his biggest risk of losing is us lynching him. If he is bulletproof he has no reason to fear scum and thus has the best outcome by simply playing as town.

Crescent-Moon posted...

How is this tinfoil hatting? Mike is an autolynch if all the scum are gone, and the game is still going.

This is in fact tinfoil hatting. You are saying the game continues in this scenario which we have no reason to believe.

Basically. As claimed hes a third party survivor that guarantees scum 1 mislynch.

That essentially makes the scumteam 3 of 12. Which makes some sense.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Mike actively sides with scum and fakes a scan to get a mislynch

Motivation for this is just tinfoil hatting.

Again, assuming hes some sort of killing role seems misguided, your planning for him playing for an endgame scenario that doesn't exist.

If he dies and flips third party we got to 2-3 and that isn't a better situation than we are in today.

Crescent-Moon posted...

But really I kind of feel like leaving Mike alive is "leashing the SK" and that almost never goes well.

Hes not SK is something we could reasonably guess. Hell if we are going to tinfoil plum could be actual SK.

(We dont have an SK, I would wager)

Anyway, i need to get some sleep. I'm going to reiterate what i said the first night of today, i think tidus pairs as scum with every possible candidate. I think hes the safe lynch. But I really want to see more arguments. Particularly pertaining to who is paired with who and why.

Just curious, why do you trust mzero so much?

Because one thing hanging over our heads is plum still claiming an unspecified power.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I kind of don't believe Mike's even a scanner. My biggest worry there is Mike is 3P and pulls a kill out of his ass at endgame

This just doesn't seem rational, tbh.

Let me put this in your perspective based on what you've said.

You think mzero is town. By extension that makes me town. You probably think plum is town due to chris scan, i think this is fair.

That leaves mike/tidus/isquen.

So you are saying you want to lynch from this pool to end the game, yes?

Basically, crescent you have just made the decision to not lynch Mike.

So who do you think the two scum are?

Hitting 3rd party doesn't solve anything. It is exactly what we shouldn't be looking to do.

2 scum in 5 doesn't put us in a better position than 2-1 in 7.

In fact it makes it worse.

Crescent-Moon posted...

That means what Tidus did was probably based on Ulti still calling me scum at the time, which suggests at least up until that point Chris still probably thought I was.

I mean, i didn't read ultis posts right now but it is literally right in the middle of chris and tisus calling you scum at least.

If you want to lynch Mike I would like to hear the case on why his scum partners voted and played day 2 the way they did.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I kind of feel like that post about Tidus has nothing to do with suspicion of me, but I don't remember what it was about, and it's probably not worth looking into.

You dont? Because it was literally tidus saying to scan and/or lynch you.

Day 2 votals say if Mike is scum still he was very likely not lying about being third party. I think that is almost certainly the wrong play.

We could throw up another post of chris calling isquen town from way earlier for that matter(i have had this one in memory because it was shared sentiment with me).

That seems to be predicated entirely on him buttering up chris' suspicion of crescent if I'm reading this correctly.

MZero posted...

Tidus hasn't done much and is all over the place but I don't feel like his posts are coming from scum. Chris liked him, too. I'm pretty much in the same boat as plum

Where are we getting that Chris was ok with him?

Did a quick scan of yesterday and didn't see much.

To help, scum is almost certainly comprised of these:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Ascian

Of which for the love of everything mother porxie has absolutely 0 connection to.

To sum up. I woke up in the middle of the night to see plum saying things that make me want to slam my head into the wall and am not happy. Theoretically he should be town and that makes it really frustrating.

Anyway. Basic gameplay chain here...the only scenario in which I am scum necessitates mzero being scum.

From an outside perspective looking at me is just atrocious play.

I could be town or scum if mzero is scum but if I am scum it would require mzero to be scum at this point.

Unless you think mother porxie is scum and dont want to do the most basic of flavor research to show that this is literally one of the most ridiculous things brought up this game.

Primals are essentially little mini deities summoned by beast tribes. They had been more traditional ff summons(ifrit, garuda, titan, etc).

Its gone beyond that since then but the gist of it is that anyone that comes into contact with them falls under their thrall.

Its had varying results, short exposure essentially leaving characters in a near zombified state to full enthrallment with more exposure.

We've literally spent 2 expansions healing the tempered with porxies spat out by mother porxie. And tempering has been something we hadn't been able to fix since the launch of the game

If we somehow throw the game on mother porxie being scum flavor...holy hell plum.

masterplum posted...

How would town know that

Ok you are missing the 9bvious. Like the typical restrictions hosts place on scum doublevoter, you simply prevent using the commute as the last scum.

masterplum posted...

Think about the optimal way to play this role as scum. You activate the faux janitor when you are the last scum left. You could have the result be a day where there are zero scum. You can't put a town in that situation where no matter who they lynch its a mislynch

Think about this a little harder plum. You are almost there.

masterplum posted...

Mzero is not scum. His role would be banned as scum and commuter/scanner is a normal role

Plum i am going to preface this by saying i am not advocating lynching mzero, but how are you getting to the point it would be a banned role?