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Cemith posted...

I didn't say he didn't need to. I said he shouldn't have to, because -

Then why bring up the risk of him losing voters in the first place? Biden shouldn't have to appeal to anti-genocide voters, yet at the same time he has to support Israel to appeal to pro-genocide voters? Explain this contradiction?

If Biden has no choice but to alienate a part of his base, then surely he should pick the option that (1) risks losing the least amount of voters, and(2) doesn't involve the death of tens of thousands of people.

hockeybabe89 posted...

would tell those people even harder to shut the fuck up and vote against Trump.

Cool. Then join in on pressuring Biden into changing his stance so you no longer have to yell stfu at people protesting against a genocide. Instead, direct that anger towards Biden for refusing to budge and the people who want more bombs to be dropped.

hockeybabe89 posted...

If the US has all the leverage over Israel and can dictate their decisions,

Yes.
69% of all Israeli weapon imports come from the US:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

"Thats an extraordinary number of sales over the course of a pretty short amount of time, which really strongly suggests that the Israeli campaign would not be sustainable without this level of U.S. support"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/06/us-weapons-israel-gaza/

then how are groups like AIPAC powerful enough to have so much sway over American politicians?

I think you're misreading my post. I wasn't the one who claimed "AIPAC would bury him". I'm disagreeing with that claim.

Euripides posted...

The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine

Yet only 27% of them want Biden to take Israel's side, and that number is even lower for his own voters. These numbers show a strong majority of Dems and Independents want the US to take a neutral stance but Biden is sending billions worth of weapons to Israel instead.

These numbers do not support your claim that pro-Israel voters would turn on him at all.

75% of Dems, 60% of Independents disapprove of Israel's action in Gaza:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

More specifically, this poll includes numbers on Biden's handling: 60% of non-white Dems disapprove, and 70% of Dems under the age of 45 (remember, these are the groups most likely to stay home!)
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Half of Biden's voters believe Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1

Cemith posted...

Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.

You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters. That Trump's fascism should be enough to convince voters. That protesters should just accept that genocide is inevitable and vote anyway.

Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism.

Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1784271276762349953

"With no police in sight."

Well. Not in uniform anyway.

loafy013 posted...

Boy, that chart looks terrible. But I have to ask, is there a reason there is no information for 2010-2013 and 2015-2022? Because it seems to me like they cherry picked those dates to get a low number to make the current atrocities look even worse by comparison.

Others have already answered, but only the Gaza wars are pictured. There have been deadly attacks and rocket strikes in the years between those dates but no invasion and open warfare.

This is a useful tool that shows statistics on casualties in the conflict from 2008 to 2023, and allows you to filter between civilian/military and Israeli/Palestinian. Though this data does not yet include statistics from Oct 7 and the invasion, it does show that the casualties peaked in the previous wars and that the time between them was far less deadly:

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

legendary_zell posted...

Does it make you feel better to imagine the people that disagree with you as such villains?

Are we single issue children who don't understand that Biden has no choice but to support genocide? Or are we virtue signaling wannabees who pretend we care about Palestinians, but actually don't? Or are we knowing propaganda agents who are in it to get Trump elected? We can't be all three.

The worrying part is this sort of smear campaign isn't just coming from random posters online.

Congressman Adam Smith calling protesters "leftwing fascists"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/25/israel-gaza-ceasefire-adam-smith

Biden calling the protests antisemitic:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-condemns-antisemitic-protests-palestine-columbia-university/

Nancy Pelosi accusing protesters of being Russian shills (not for the first time)
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1783186070558933411

As if someone protesting against an ongoing genocide without nefarious ulterior motives is outright unbelievable.

ClayGuida posted...

Refer to my question. What will trump do that's better?

Literally nothing. It's a stupid question and shows you did not bother to read past the first sentence of the post you replied to, because the second sentence was:

I've never said Trump winning would be preferable, nor that he would be better for Palestine.

Stop trolling about genocide.

ClayGuida posted...

So what will trump do that's better than biden?

Refer to the post above you.

Hornezz posted...

I've never said Trump winning would be preferable, nor that he would be better for Palestine.

WingsOfGood posted...

You think Trump is better for Palestine?

Shut the fuck up and stop trolling about genocide.

Mystereave posted...

So what happens if Biden does all of this, then loses the election because of organizations like AIPAC burying him, along with the still non-zero number of folks in the country who support Israel in some capacity?

Where's the proof that Biden would lose more voters from sanctioning Israel than he would from continuing to provide weapons for genocide? Before getting into any hypotheticals, that is a claim that needs proving. This is what all the threats of a Trump presidency hinge on.

Fact is approval for Israel's actions is dropping consistently among US voters. With disapproval at 75% for Dem voters, and 60% among Independents: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

As for AIPAC: no doubt it's a powerful lobby group but this idea that they single handedly decide who becomes the US president is a wild hyperbole and gets uncomfortably close to conspiracy theories that shouldn't have a place in this debate.

WingsOfGood posted...

He and you refuse to answer because

I refused to answer the question because it's based on a false premise, I just told you so.
I've never said Trump winning would be preferable, nor that he would be better for Palestine.

don't actually care about Palestine.

That's rich when you're here posting funny stick figure cartoons about dead Palestinians.

If this was literally any other victim of a genocide in human history you'd have been banned on the spot for that shit. But it's obvious rules are different when it's Palestine.

You don't get to accuse others of this when the deaths of tens of thousands of people are nothing more than a meme for you to 'own the lefties'.

WingsOfGood posted...

so 1337 got 2 answers to his question

will he answer this?

He shouldn't. Because the question, just like your awful meme in the OP, is based on a false premise. A Trump presidency isn't the only alternative to accepting Biden's stance on Israel.

Biden can stop lying about Israeli war crimes. Biden can stop unconditionally supplying them with weapons for genocide. None of this is necessary for him to win the election. If anything, he risks losing voters over this.

Ignoring that option and framing 'Palestinians die under Biden' and 'more Palestinians die under Trump' as the only options is dishonest, and serves no purpose other than to make Biden's support for genocide sound more acceptable.

Just like endlessly repeating all the horrible consequences of a Trump presidency serves no purpose other than to silence anti-genocide protesters. Threats of a Trump reelection are hollow as long as people refuse to acknowledge the agency Biden has in this matter.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Depends on the country that has been doing the genocide for decades.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Israel has been genocidal for a long time.

Why now?

Things are different this time. Let's not pretend this is just business as usual in Gaza.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70dd38c0.jpg

Picture is already 2 months old, so add a few thousand deaths.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bd417ad2.jpg

I don't think genocide is the best choice of subject material for funny meme pictures.

Was it really that topic? Seems excessive to suspend someone over that.

There's a lot of effort going into labeling the protesters as antisemites, Russian shills or undercover Trumpers.

The idea that people might genuinely take issue with tens of thousands of Palestinians being killed with the help of the US government, is apparently outright unbelievable to some. It's telling.

Is this the new cement milkshake?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/51ce0716.jpg

When the Twitter bots try to post nazi shit, but ChatGPT won't let them:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ee41a0ce.jpg

I guess this is why Musk opposes AI censorship.

You're not wrong

Several of the names in that picture were purged before the new rules kicked in. They should be able to get back on CE by submitting a feedback ticket

Lonestar2000 posted...

So why couldn't he have just stated this instead of lying and closing the topic?

Because CE is dangerous and everyone here except NCloud is a bad faith poster.

The Ant-Man helmet is probably a reference to the Old Man Logan world that had a giant Hank Pym skeleton laying around

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Don't care for Discord

Don't want to be a part of a community of banned users who can't let go

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Whats the reference here

Rob Liefeld, one of the creators of Deadpool, is a comic book artist known for not being able to draw feet

Israel has yet to provide evidence of Unrwa staff terrorist links, Colonna report says

Israel has yet to provide supporting evidence of its claims that employees of the UN relief agency Unrwa are members of terrorist organisations, an independent review led by the former French foreign minister Catherine Colonna has said.

The Colonna report, which was commissioned by the UN in the wake of Israeli allegations, found that Unrwa had regularly supplied Israel with lists of its employees for vetting, and that the Israeli government has not informed Unrwa of any concerns relating to any Unrwa staff based on these staff lists since 2011.

[...]

The Colonna review, an assessment of Unrwa neutrality which was drafted with the help of three Nordic research institutes and is due to be published later on Monday, makes clear that Israel has yet to substantiate any of its broader claims about the involvement of Unrwa staff in Hamas or Islamic Jihad.

It notes that in March Israel made public claims that a significant number of Unrwa employees are members of terrorist organisations. However, Israel has yet to provide supporting evidence of this, the report says.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/israel-unrwa-staff-terrorist-links-yet-to-provide-evidence-colonna-report

Yeah, looks like Cassandra Nova.

Looking forward to this.

I've learned to tone it down. Pollen allergy sometimes has me sneezing endlessly and if I put a voice behind my sneezes it would absolutely wreck my throat.

It was fun. I quite liked the swerve at the end, it fits entirely with the character and it avoids a cliched superhero story ending.

Spoilers for Secret Invasion:
It's also really funny how She Hulk made fun of the old 'villain steals blood of hero to give themself superpowers' and then Secret Invasion did exactly that lol

Makeveli_lives posted...

Source. Her being fired hasnt been confirmed but neither has her retirement.

That's still the same article.

Whether or not She Hulk will return is up in the air, but that likely has more to do with the reception of the show and Disney's intentions of scaling down on the number of Marvel projects. There's nothing indicating that Maslany's comments have anything to do with it.

But every other show has been renewed internally or brought to the movies to continue the story basically except Loki which is over and Wandavision which was a one shot.

Moon Knight's follow up is also still uncertain.

The article does not actually say anything about her losing her job because of her comments.

Unsurprisingly, he has died:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68863157

Dude believes The Simpsons is used to brainwash people. That sounds like some serious psychosis, not something to joke about.

These dudes make the average CEman look like a normal, stable individual.

Quite the feat.

No, it's extremely dangerous here.

People without an ad blocker:

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Not sure how to feel about the exclusion retroactively applying to people already on a purg when the new rules were announced.

The poll is private now because it was deemed too dangerous for this site.

"President Biden is committed to a foreign policy that unites our democratic values with our diplomatic leadership, and one that is centered on the defense of democracy and the protection of human rights." - Antony Blinken, 2021

HudGard posted...

orniposting

Perfect

I barely post on boards outside CE, so if this goes I can't see myself sticking around.

CE is a dangerous place. Better watch your step around these parts.

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Just how much of an anticlimax Bran's arc was.

Eight years of him developing superpowers, becoming nigh omniscient and he's even shown to be able to influence the past. So many characters died to protect him. Jojen, Summer, Hodor, Three-Eyed Raven and the children of the forest, Theon.

Yet the biggest impact his powers had on the overarching story was revealing Jon's parentage... which ultimately didn't matter and only contributed to Dany going mad.

People were theorizing he would warg into a dragon or even into the Night King, whatever way his massive powers could make a difference in either of the big battles. But he was just sitting and watching.

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Palestinian girl shot in mother's arms as they attempted to return to home in northern Gaza

As chaos ensued after thousands of Palestinians were turned away from returning to their homes in northern Gaza on Sunday, a 5-year-old girl was shot in the head by Israeli soldiers, her mother said.
Video shows a man carrying a 5-year-old girl named Sally Abu Laila, who was bleeding from her head, with people crowding around her in panic trying to cover her wound.

Her mother Sabreen told CNN her daughter was in her arms when Israeli soldiers shot at her. Sabreen, alongside her four children, was trying to cross through the checkpoint, when two young men squeezed in between her and other women waiting in line, prompting Israeli soldiers to fire at them.

I tried to put my daughter on the ground to walk, but she couldnt move. I saw my hands covered in blood. I called on her, Sally! Sally! Sally!, but she didnt answer Sabreen said.

Eventually, she said she managed to get to Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital where her daughter is undergoing treatment. She told CNN she is still in intensive care. CNN has reached out to the Israeli military for comment on reports that its soldiers fired shots at civilians trying to head up north, but has not received a response.

Earlier, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said reports that people could return to their homes in northern Gaza were false. The northern Gaza Strip continues to be an active war zone and return to the area is not currently permitted, IDF said.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-14-24/h_2996e440a84a113cf32e6ee7094ea05c