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What are you all knocking the first game for? If Darksiders did everything just like Zelda then you'd be bashing it for being a clone.

Lokarin posted...

There's also Blaster Master - which does have item and zone based progression with map exploration AND back tracking... not a metroidvania

Ugh, that game. Never beat it on the NES but did complete it years ago through emulation (before I fixed the 72 pin connector on my NES). One thing always bugged me about that, how it could be so linear for the first half and then expect you to go ALL the way back to the beginning to find world 4 I think it was. Who would even think of that?

Oh wait, wasn't there a small map in the manual? It's been a long time. One of the first 5 NES games I owned.

How about Guacamelee? I thought it leaned a little more towards platforming.
Shantae? Enh, sorta.
Muramasa? Bit of a stretch.
Kirby Amazing Mirror? Getting closer.

We could be at this for months...

Lokarin posted...

Basically I'm referring to any ol' game where you get some powerup that affects the number of locations you can go to... which is kinda general and could apply to almost any game, but if you don't get pedantic then we should be ok.

Man you're making it tough. By that logic you could include a lot of older games. Hell, modern ones too such as R&C.

I find it a challenge to discuss genres because it's so hard to define specifics, and then on top of that so many games are a blend of genres. Long ago I heard Zelda referred to as an RPG. Nah, RPG's have a lot more stats to track. Oh but Zelda gives you new items and areas, still it's not Metroidvania.

I'd rather buy another GB than a phone. Yeah the advancement in tech is neat to watch but there comes a point where costs outweigh usefulness. I mean I kinda want a 3D printer, just not quite enough to invest in one. 4K TV? Meh, the sizes I've seen don't have optical out. My car is an 03 and I don't know how much longer it'll go. But I don't want BT, satellite radio, or other gimmicks.

Meanwhile I have hundreds of games and a pinball machine because those will get use. Yeah maybe I'm not like everyone else.

Lokarin posted...

Zeus posted...

Lokarin posted...

Games such as Battle of Olympus, Anodyne, Hydra Castle Labyrinth, Maze of Gallious, Darksiders and such

Why would you even refer to them as Zelda-styled? Not seeing much connection for least a few of those. Putting Darksiders in the same camp as Battle of Olympus is also just weird.

I've heard so many times that Darksiders is a Zelda clone...

The first one maybe, not so much the second. There are some similarities in the gameplay and progression but not to the point I'd call it a clone.

Star_Spirit posted...

DPsx7 posted...

FrozenBananas posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Um, hmm. Don't laugh but the last one I saw was Little Mermaid. On VHS of course.

What? You never saw Lion King? Or Toy Story? Dude...

Not even Aladdin.

Both Lion King and Toy Story are works of art that everyone should watch. I hate movies and I make people watch them if they haven't seen them.

I've said it before - you'd be amazed at what I haven't seen.

And the world's stupidest idea prize goes to you...

Pssh, why would you feel weird? People playing 'games' on their phones are the ones who look stupid. Get a real platform for games. I have no problem playing my Vita on the rare occasion I have to wait somewhere. Thing is most people won't know what it is and will just assume it's some odd mobile device.

I have 2 GB's. The rechargeable packs don't work but otherwise it's all good. Then again I'd use the SP for the backlight.

kukukupo posted...

Tron
Flight of the Navigator

These were Disney? If so, add 2 to my list. Used to rent Tron when there weren't any good NES games on the shelf and I think we have Nav on tape somewhere.

*Kinda funny if you think about it. Everyone else is having to decide on a top 5 and I'm struggling to THINK OF 5 I've seen.

Zangulus posted...

Metroidvania is typically reserved for 2d side scrollers. Once they move into third dimension its not quite the same.

I'd say you're right. There's more to it of course but we'll go with this for simplicity.

Huh, the only one I heard of is Darksiders. As a fan of the 'genre' I'll need to look up the rest.

Doesn't matter. Adblockers make sure the advertisers dollars go to waste.

I've heard of just 2 and seen neither. Throw dice maybe?

FrozenBananas posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Um, hmm. Don't laugh but the last one I saw was Little Mermaid. On VHS of course.

What? You never saw Lion King? Or Toy Story? Dude...

Not even Aladdin.

Um, hmm. Don't laugh but the last one I saw was Little Mermaid. On VHS of course.

In a broad sense I'm not sure how anyone can sit for hours and watch someone else play a sport. But fishing and golf? Unless you do it to fall asleep quicker...

I wouldn't worry about it. There are many other ways to enjoy your free time. No, not that you pervs.

I'm the opposite. I'd rather jump into another game instead of dragging one out longer. Years of playing has given me a good eye when buying games. Rarely do I end up with a stinker that I don't finish. Because the backlog keeps growing I'm not trying to make any particular game longer so I'm not likely to get DLC. Maybe the free stuff if I can use it along the way.

I know I skipped a lot. Batman, Bioshock, GTA, Farcry, UC, TR. The base game is plenty. DLC is why I can finish a game and end up with just a 60% completion rate. Good thing I don't need 100%.

Sarcasthma posted...

DPsx7 posted...

You people give awful advice... I can't help though as I've never been in that situation. Always thought the fees for school dances were too high and skipped them too.

You know people continue to go on dates after high school, right?

Why?

Lucky you. Only time I've been out of the country was a brief trip to Niagra Falls/Canada many years ago. People say I should travel more. Other than not knowing where I'm going I don't see too many problems with it. Going by yourself is a lot easier since you don't need to convince a crowd what the next activity is going to be.

I tried the ones they serve at the casino but they hurt my teeth.

The only way this would make sense is if I say I'm not a fan of fighting games. A long time ago I bought a DC for just a few games and believe I traded it in (for decent credit) towards a PS2. Some time later I got another used DC. The reason it bugs me a little is I don't have an original box.

Other than that, I've kept every other platform whether I got it new or used. I'm glad I did if you check out the going prices for everything. For as often as you see people bashing on the VB that's become an item especially if you have the full set. I actually liked it. Warioland, Panic Bomber, and 3D Tetris were unique at the time.

You people give awful advice... I can't help though as I've never been in that situation. Always thought the fees for school dances were too high and skipped them too.

They didn't exist. I was told to look for sewers. Online map led to gate, it was locked. Never opened. Round and round, time wasted on a dud.

The fact I finish games shows I gave it an effort before coming to this conclusion. Meanwhile the one trying to vouch for the flop abandons WAY more than I do.

I like the colors, but together? It's a bit much.

Mostly PS4. My Nin consoles aren't online. I'm not stupid enough to own 'mobile'. Also won't bother with PC or XB.

Like the rest of ya, all about what I'm in the mood for. I have a large enough backlog that I've something to cover just about anything. Long games, short, stealth, shmup, FPS, puzzle, platforming, racing, RPG, VR... It's not always easy to pick the next game and sometimes when there's a tie I'll go with the one that's been on the backlog the longest.

There are other factors at play too. It's the summer and I don't have AC in my room. Meaning I won't be likely to dig out Rock Band or the PSVR. If my schedule is wonky I'll try some shorter games. Then on top of that I have smaller backlogs on the Vita, 3DS, PS3, Wii U, and Switch. The games from previous gens that I never played, well I have to draw the line somewhere. Maybe if the market goes full digital and I stop buying new stuff.

Dikitain posted...

I like how a topic about Resident Evil turned into a topic that is mostly about how someone sucks at Bloodborne. I mean I don't have a dog in this fight because I never played the game (and can't because I don't own a PS4), I just find it funny.

Just another day on PotD.

It was a side comment too. I was talking about how RE devolved into a shooter and just mentioned that BB is terrible. Suddenly the fanboys and fools come out in full force. And no we already determined that the game is bad, not me. I've played so much else and can tell the gems from the stinkers.

Mead posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Mead posted...

Not everything can be free

That's too bad. The internet lost its monetary system when they went overboard with flashy banners, pop overs, full screens, auto plays, etc.

Youre welcome to have that view but it isnt gonna change the fact that people arent gonna work to create sites and content for free

There will always be free content, some people need their daily 15 minutes of fame. The quality may suffer when they have to host it themselves. Still, the advertising market shot themselves when they turned invasive. Plus it's a security risk since some ads can deliver malware.

They only give sites a few cents per click anyway. It's not like you're supporting a site with a great source of funding. Screw advertising.

I agree, it's that kind of game.

Mead posted...

Not everything can be free

That's too bad. The internet lost its monetary system when they went overboard with flashy banners, pop overs, full screens, auto plays, etc.

SirPikachu posted...

DPsx7 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Can't block ads in the YouTube app unless you pay for it. Which, lel, imagine paying for YouTube...

That's horsecrap. I haven't seen an ad on YT for years. Not that I frequent there or anything but you know how someone hotlinks a video and then you end up following a video or two from there.

Oh wait. Upon rereading you said app. Um, there's an app?

What, have you ever touched a smartphone before? It comes preinstalled with almost all of them lol

I don't own one if that's what you're asking.

You haven't disproven anything I said though. The best you had was some vague crap about a few people struggling for the answers and everyone else looking up a walkthrough. For later stages that would be excusable. Not for a first stage. It's like they forgot half the game and then locked the rest of it behind finding a secret boss that isn't the fake first boss I heard about once. Yep, nothing like playing for a month to find a boss and it won't let you into area 2. Great programming, idiots...

Then I already gave examples of why products can still be trash even if large numbers of people buy them. You'll have to do better.

.Far-Queue posted...

DPsx7 posted...

You forgot to add a new thought

I don't need to, as

Uh yeah you do or we'll assume you have nothing to support your case.

GanglyKhan posted...

Can't block ads in the YouTube app unless you pay for it. Which, lel, imagine paying for YouTube...

That's horsecrap. I haven't seen an ad on YT for years. Not that I frequent there or anything but you know how someone hotlinks a video and then you end up following a video or two from there.

Oh wait. Upon rereading you said app. Um, there's an app?

You forgot to add a new thought, bub. Looks like my point stands.

Cruddy_horse posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

DPsx7 posted...

More inane stuff.

Nothing you've said makes this untrue:

When you claim that you can't find a single boss after hours of play, you're terrible at the game. You can't blame the game design. You can deny it all you want, but it's true. It's fine if you dislike the game. But claiming the game is designed poorly just because you're incapable of doing what thousands, if not millions, of others have done is just a s*** excuse. The game itself, while not perfect, is designed well enough to have earned accolades from critics and gamers alike. You're too inept to figure the game out.

Actually it does. You said a few people played it but never explained what they used for reference or how long it took. Nowhere did you counter the fact that a game that takes days to figure out is not designed well. "Some people figured it out so it must be ok" is not good logic.

You can't say "Some people" when the game is critically acclaimed by tons of people. Just because you can't figure it out yourself doesn't mean there is bad game design, you and maybe a few other people are not the measure by what good design is based on.

Everything I see your username I think of DSP, which is exactly who you're acting like.

Tons my ass. I said before it's pretty easy to 'buy' favorable reviews. So that excuse goes right out the window. Every time some fool tries to excuse a terrible product because 'everyone else does it' I laugh. Tons of people drink and smoke. Chia Pets. Body modding. CoD. Uh, I could name a bunch of things that prove large numbers can still be very wrong.

I have no idea who or what that is.

Far-Queue posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Actually it does. You said a few people played it but never explained what they used for reference or how long it took. Nowhere did you counter the fact that a game that takes days to figure out is not designed well. "Some people figured it out so it must be ok" is not good logic.

Nope. Wrong again. Your singular experience doesn't define the quality of the product. Even if there are others who are so inept as you are, to the point where they can't even find a single boss to fight, there is most certainly a majority who played the game and got along just fine.

Just admit I'm right already. How can you claim 'majority' when you have no numbers and no way to know how many agree it has one of the stupidest designs? Nevermind avoiding my questions. I don't care if a few people stuck around long enough to beg for tips. I'm talking any random player who picks this up.

Really, you're so focused on ignoring the problems and trying to blame me for something the devs did wrong. You're not very good at this discussion stuff.

Far-Queue posted...

DPsx7 posted...

More inane stuff.

Nothing you've said makes this untrue:

When you claim that you can't find a single boss after hours of play, you're terrible at the game. You can't blame the game design. You can deny it all you want, but it's true. It's fine if you dislike the game. But claiming the game is designed poorly just because you're incapable of doing what thousands, if not millions, of others have done is just a s*** excuse. The game itself, while not perfect, is designed well enough to have earned accolades from critics and gamers alike. You're too inept to figure the game out.

Actually it does. You said a few people played it but never explained what they used for reference or how long it took. Nowhere did you counter the fact that a game that takes days to figure out is not designed well. "Some people figured it out so it must be ok" is not good logic.

I'd say no because it totally depends on the game.

I like their beef and cheddar but there aren't any shops around here.

You have lazy police.

Never thought I'd see such a ridiculous question on a gaming forum.

Far-Queue posted...

Flip it so the 0% shows up. Otherwise, you're lying and you never actually played the game.

And since you can't figure out that you're wrong, just like you can't figure out how to play Bloodborne, I'll just repost this:

When you claim that you can't find a single boss after hours of play, you're terrible at the game. You can't blame the game design. You can deny it all you want, but it's true. It's fine if you dislike the game. But claiming the game is designed poorly just because you're incapable of doing what thousands, if not millions, of others have done is just a s*** excuse. The game itself, while not perfect, is designed well enough to have earned accolades from critics and gamers alike. You're too inept to figure the game out.

Then you'll just say I didn't play for hours. My collection pics prove I have a copy, so that's plenty. You think I skipped the game and invented a story for no reason? Sheeze. I tried it, the game was terrible, and I'm letting people know it's not all what people make it out to be. Honesty is a good thing.

You tried that already and I wasn't wrong. Act and EA buy their review scores so it's quite easy for garbage games to get favorable reviews. I hope you're not just learning this.

green dragon posted...

DPsx7 posted...

How long did it take before the game actually started doing something interesting?

less than a nanosecond. I loved it immediately

that might be because I'm a huge souls fan, and have played the entire series

Exactly what I'm thinking. While I completed Demon's I felt it was a bit too slow paced for me and didn't try the Dark games. Knowing they are sorta related, there most definitely were things added in the Dark games that fans would pick up on quickly. You'd spot a shiny and head down the dead end knowing there's a path or whatever.

BB was supposed to be faster, have more action. That's why I got a copy. Shame the devs forgot to add clues for those of us who didn't follow their previous games. It's not as if I rushed to leave either. I spent a good couple hours wandering around. In the end I was more embarrassed for not having played GTA so I looked at BB and went 'peh'.

Wait a sec... If Sony fans are spoiled for asking about ONE exclusive game to come to the PS4, what does that mean for Xbots who have been begging for any worthwhile exclusives to come to their system?

These are problems that can be solved by purchasing both main consoles each gen. PS4 and Switch.

green dragon posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Days? They can piss right off then. If a player needs that much time to figure a game out to make it good then it's not made properly. Just for reference when I'm off work during the winter I'm here trying to finish at least one game every week.

I think bloodborne took me maybe 30-40 hours to beat the first time I played it

I don't mind some long games although I cut back on RPG's because my backlog is out of control. How long did it take before the game actually started doing something interesting?

After so many years of gaming the one thing that bugs me the most is not making progress. Either failing and repeating long areas, going in circles, extended cutscenes, whatever results in my time not gaining anything.

Far-Queue posted...

Yes it will. Post your PSN name. It should show up on PSNProfiles even if you're at 0%.

Here's mine, in case you feel vulnerable for whatever reason posting you PSN name.

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/3431-bloodborne/TheLord_HUMUNGUS

And yes, when you claim that you can't find a single boss after hours of play, you're terrible at the game. You can't blame the game design. You can deny it all you want, but it's true. It's fine if you dislike the game. But claiming the game is designed poorly just because you're incapable of doing what thousands, if not millions, of others have done is just a shit excuse. The game itself, while not perfect, is designed well enough to have earned accolades from critics and gamers alike. You're too inept to figure the game out.

Nah I have it so 0%'s don't show up. There were a bunch of VR demos that were taking up space on my PS4 list so I cleaned it out.

It's the same name I'm using here. I thought 'whoa' when I saw your 700+ games but it doesn't look like you finish much.

We've been over this. It's not me. The person above says it takes a few days to figure out. How is that ok? Again if you want to run to a walkthrough or waste days trying to sort out bad design decisions, then that's you. Sure I'm disappointed I spent money on a game that went nowhere but it's silly to suffer with junk when I have so much more ahead. Bad means bad.

Oh and not only that when I first had this discussion elsewhere there was a rumor there's actually more than one boss in the first level. Due to bad design again, this boss doesn't actually let you advance to the second area. How is THAT ok? It's seriously like they sat down to come up with ways to screw gamers over and keep everyone from getting into it. No items, no levels, fake bosses, the 'real' boss is hidden like an easter egg, and well I named these problems earlier.

I dunno if you're like me, I enjoyed tracking down the problems and fixing them on my pin. Always liked to see how things work and it's rare to see inside a pin without owning one.

Smarkil posted...

How. How can anyone like this garbage.

I don't even know what it is. Never saw it. Oh, I think Mythbusters had a special ep with this as the theme.

Apparently you slacked off on at least one. But you keep convincing yourself it was disc rot. Lol.

Some people will believe anything. Numerous stories he says...