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$40? I don't get it.

There's nothing else useful under Prime besides shipping so why pay $100 when 'free' shipping can be free. Even BB's program was a joke because you have to pay to get discounts and that's absurd.

Revelation34 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Prove it.

Ironically I know how to use a PC so I don't need Steam to hold my hand. Doesn't say much for you.

I already did. You think Visual Basic packs being installed are searching for anti virus software.

The hell do they have to do with Steam? My PC didn't use VB back then. During the Steam installer it actually said 'scanning' and that's not good.

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

There's an important thing you keep forgetting. Just because 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right, or even smart. Smoking, drinking, sex, politics, hell many people bought pet rocks and Chia Pets.

The crowd mentality doesn't prove you right or me wrong.

That's not what I said, though. What I said is that "others are able to do it without issue," which does comprise a very solid case against your "Steam is horribly dysfunctional and makes computers explode the moment you download it." We're not talking about any sort of moral good here, we're talking about how generalizable your experience and position are, and the answer to that question is "not remotely." That's not a matter of crowd mentality, that's just a simple fact. You are objectively wrong.

How could you know? Valve could have millions of bug reports and they sweep them under the rug like I experienced. They never helped me. Nothing says they do now.

Free shipping > free shipping for $100. Just saying...

There's an important thing you keep forgetting. Just because 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right, or even smart. Smoking, drinking, sex, politics, hell many people bought pet rocks and Chia Pets.

The crowd mentality doesn't prove you right or me wrong.

Delivery?

I'm sure it could be fine tuned. Onimusha doesn't need to be a direct copy.

While we're naming games I always see people going back to the PS2 gen. Games before then would be good too. Brave Fencer Musashi, Ape Escape, Point Blank, Twisted Metal (the last game on PS3 wasn't that bad), Jet Moto, Lunar, Jumping Flash, Startropics, Earthbound, Guardian Legend, someone mentioned Warioland in another topic... Both Sony and Nin have huge numbers of classics to choose from.

As if that wasn't enough they borked the GB games too. FF Adventure was actually part of the Mana series.

Haven't sold a game since the PS1 days.

Steam does give you hints on why you shouldn't use it. Some people listen, some don't.

adjl posted...

Sure it does. Unsafe software doesn't tell you that it's doing that.

Whether it exists or not is irrelevant. Being more recent by a factor of 15+, my recollection is automatically considered more credible than yours. The only way you'll be able to offset that difference is with proof. If you can't provide proof, you're just going to have to accept that you don't have a credible recollection.

For that matter, proof should be easy for you to produce. You could very easily record a video of you downloading Steam, installing HL2 and not being able to play it. That is, provided your experience can actually be recreated, which is precisely what nobody but you believes.

You can disable automatic updates.

Obviously you wouldn't sit at the computer and wait for a fix. You'd go do something else for a couple weeks until another patch came out, checking periodically. You wouldn't exactly be wasting any more time.

I linked you to a set of patch notes for HL2, which included bug fixes. More recently, DotA 2 sees extremely frequent patches that fix bugs (too many, really, but that's another issue). That's just plain false.

If you can't be more specific, then you shouldn't have brought it up. A vague "Valve totally sent me something that sounded like they were messing with my account even though I don't use it so they're evil" isn't going to convince anyone of anything unless you can provide actual details.

You are absurdly paranoid.

Hmm. True enough. So Steam is just bad software that wanted to be honest for a minute.

A few years hardly cancels my experience. How do we know you're not lying? Or worse you don't know what it's doing to your parent's PC. A lot of kids walk away during installs and miss all the fun messages. Furthermore there's nothing you could say that would convince me I need proof badly enough to reinfect and reenact what I went through. Letting myself get burned twice would make me look bad for a change.

Wrong. I would have if it was allowed. Then again you also claim it works offline. I'm thinking you've never touched Steam.

I like to finish games before moving onto more. Maybe I'll start 2, 3 tops if they're different from each other. A couple weeks doesn't fit my schedule. They're probably adding ways to dodge virus scanners.

That's great and all but I think HL2 on its own wasn't the problem. It was dragged down and destroyed by the 'other stuff' that came with it. I mean if that bad update wasn't forced to go through I'd have missed the glitches.

They're already a miserable bunch of goons. Tampering with my account is merely further proof they can't be trusted. And that's what you want is proof.

Again, one burn was enough. I learned my lesson. It's not paranoia if the threat is true.

helIy posted...

yeah it's definitely user error.

learn how to use a computer dude

Prove it.

Ironically I know how to use a PC so I don't need Steam to hold my hand. Doesn't say much for you.

LaggnFragnLarry posted...

my final fantasy would involve more naked chics and booze

Too bad neither of those are appealing.

Mead posted...

Cause the dude that made it thought it was gonna be the last game he ever made

This. I forget the whole story but something like they were in a bind and made a last ditch effort of a title.

EnvyFox posted...

Of the choices on the poll, Wario Land by far. I never got to own any of the games when they were new (although I did try out one or two of them for a few minutes each a long time ago) but I've gotten my hands on 1, 4 and Shake It! in recent years and wow was I missing out. Seems like the series took a back seat to the WarioWare Inc. games and, while I love me some WarioWare, I don't see much of a reason why both couldn't co-exist. They're unique, funny and, most importantly, fun to play through. Hopefully, I'll come across 2 and 3 soon and, if I ever find a Virtual Boy for cheap, the Wario Land for that system will be on the top of my list.

So agreed. I've always liked platformers and trying to find all the hidden items made this series special. Normally you only find such gameplay in 3D styles.The VB Warioland is a big reason why I own a VB. Good luck finding one for cheap. Might have to get a clunker and fix it since working ones turned into collectors items.

Honestly I prefer when the jokes don't make a lot of sense. The ones that require you to know a movie/TV reference are the ones that suck because I don't get 'em.

ultra magnus13 posted...

I play super casual, have comprable play time, but have reached over twice your level. So you are exagerating play time, or really horrible at playing.

Same, I didn't have a choice. Those fools locked the competitive mode. I said I don't recall exactly. Time between 60-80 hours and rank like 30-40. It was a horrible grind and a good thing I wasn't trying to collect loot. It was mostly solo (no group bonus) as a few people begged me to play a few games then moved to competitive where I couldn't go.

PMarth2002 posted...

A lot of people will still leave their house anyway becacuse they like socializing with people irl or doing stuff outside.

Bleh. Why would you wanna socialize with people? They're annoying enough online without being face to face. I'd leave the house to burn off some energy though.

I'd look forward to that. A quick glance through my collection and I see dozens of games that could use a modern sequel.

I know the list has its limits but I can think of way more longer-gone, better franchises to revive. Enh, I guess if they're only one game then it doesn't qualify as a franchise. Don't care, I want to see Startropics and Guardian Legend come back.

Phones aren't gaming platforms so this may as well not exist.

Wild Arms is cool though. 2 of my fave PS1 games.

I see you're still not getting it. So hopeless. Oh well here goes another try.

It was during the main install that it was snooping for software. Safe software doesn't do that.

Funny how you'll deny the millions of problems Steam has by asking for proof you know doesn't exist. The drive was wiped and refreshed. You want the game and box to prove I tried the physical option?

Whatever you want to call it. I didn't willingly DL anything. It was forced. Coupled with the fact it was bad is another checkmark of malware. Steam doesn't offer rollback. Wait longer? Nah I wasted enough time on that shitty thing trying to play a single game. Besides, I told you I asked for help and got none. Valve doesn't fix their stuff.

Compromised by them. Sorry I can't be more specific but again it was some time ago and being from Valve I didn't spend much time reading the note just in case one of their links was infectious. Then if you think about it, since Steam was one of the worst gaming experiences I've gone through do I really care whether it was a spoof or stolen? Any potential thief will end up with Steam and I'm gonna laugh. Serves 'em right.

helIy posted...

DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

yes

everything you've described is nothing but you fucking everything up, steam didn't do jack shit.

And you'd be wrong. That's ok though, I'm here to help and educate.

adjl posted...

I have both Steam and a virus scanner active, and I don't recall Steam doing any searching for installed software the last time I installed it. You would lose that bet.

Sounds like a broken installation. Something got messed up somewhere, whether it was a PEBKAC error or otherwise. A clean reinstall would probably have been your best bet there. It's nothing inherent to Steam or HL2 in general, since I can tell you I installed HL2 from a physical copy of The Orange Box without any issues.

They've pretty clearly been fixing the game, not refusing to do so. As for the profile updates, I still don't know what you're talking about because you're being too vague and paranoid, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were some feature or other they added (to everyone; they aren't personally tampering with your dormant account) and they sent out an email to people that were likely to have missed it (which isn't exactly uncommon practice for customer retention). Not exactly something to be scared of.

You don't recall is not proof it doesn't happen. I say nearby during the install. I saw it. The damn thing took 3 hours from disc to main menu. Such time includes whatever it was DL'ing.

Now we're getting somewhere. Steam was broken. HL2 looked normal before one of the several times it was blocked. A forced update then broke the game. Why did I need this update? Because level 2 of the virus was installed.

It's not on purpose. The message was sent a while ago. It wasn't 'please update'. Instead they sent 'we've started tampering'. Wanna say it was a phone number or something was changed. Malware does like to collect data you know.

helIy posted...

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

About what? I don't have the numbers in front of me, they're approximate. I know I didn't get the trophy for rank 50 so there's that much.

Start the game. See any new modes? Probably not. Rocket kept hockey and the mode with the toys. Is it that hard to leave a spot in the menu for the Halloween shooting gallery or the snowball freeze tag?

My backlog is too big to fight with bad games. They didn't give me a reason to stay so I didn't.

Someone has been playing Earthbound.

They have good prices if you know how to game their system. I don't trade in items and GS is far less annoying than BB.

adjl posted...

A presumption you're basing on what?

Not really. One crash a decade ago doesn't really amount to enough undesirability to avoid it forever.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it was within the last couple months, that'd likely be in response to the new privacy laws enacted by the EU in response to the whole Cambridge Analytica thing. Pretty much every account-based service has sent out a message like that to all of their users, since a major element of those new laws is a need to be more transparent about what's being shared in profiles and to offer users the opportunity to remove that information if they don't want it shared. It is in fact not suspicious at all.

Easy. When I first put the disc in and Steam started shitting all over the place I distinctly remember it saying it was searching my drive for installed software. That was the first red flag and I shoulda flipped the switch then and there. I'll bet they were trying to disable any virus scanners. I let it proceed though as this came before the events that led to its removal.

It wasn't a crash. More a series of increasing problems. From DL'ing for hours despite installing from disc, to blocking its use, to DL'ing an update that corrupted the game. The ammo counter was moved to the center of the screen and the backgrounds became multicolored.

I explained it in the previous reply. It was at least a year ago. They refused to fix the game or ship a clean version, but hey why not tamper with dormant accounts because Valve gives a big 'F you' to their customers.

helIy posted...

DPsx7 posted...

If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all...

most places do that. it's just a "hey, you remember we exist, right?" notice.

also privacy policy updates prompt those reminders, too.

gamefaqs even sends those emails, btw.

Oh wait no. Could have worded that better. I didn't mean they were asking me to update, something was updated.

I haven't been inside one in at least 15 years. I do recall the last time though. I was at an outdoor event and the person I was riding with chose to stop there. I quickly used the bathroom and while he was waiting for his order I found a small tick on my pants. I flicked it off and left it under one of the seats.

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will.

It's in Steam. Your computer still won't explode.

They probably just siphon all your personal information instead. Either way the results of installing Steam are undesirable.

If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all...

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Console wars? Let's not. I focus on games not hardware and if it has good games then I currently have said platform. Thanks to my years of experience I will offer suggestions on what to play or avoid. I wouldn't beg for crossplay because someone accidentally ended up with XB. I'd just say 'you're on your own, you know where I'll be".

DPsx7 posted...

Get new friends. If they don't have the same PS4/Switch that you're using then they're doing something wrong.

Nope, that's textbook console war idiocy right there. I will accept nothing less than "you're right, that was a stupid thing to say and I retract it in its entirety" as a response. Any lesser degree of backpedaling will be seen only as a desperate attempt to save face, and you will be laughed at.

DPsx7 posted...

I listed a bunch of checkmarks that identify malware and Steam hits 'em all.

DPsx7 posted...

You know how malware is - one bit remains and it phones home to reinstall itself.

It doesn't hit that one.

Backpedal? Pssh. I was right the first time and you're in no position to define me. I have more games, consoles, and experience than most on this board. You have Steam. Lol. Sorry but it's not looking good for your side.

In fact it does. Because it doesn't work offline and knew it wasn't able to phone home to 'update', it shut itself down and blocked me from playing HL2. Don't act like you don't understand. It makes you look stupid. Well, more than before.

LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I wouldn't beg for crossplay because someone accidentally ended up with XB. I'd just say 'you're on your own, you know where I'll be".

It could easily happen in a home with multiple kids, but not a lot of money. Maybe one kid has all their friends on XBox and the other on PS4. But they can not afford one system. It would work well for them. I understand that you specifically dont need it. But it could help many others...

Going back to the 'skip the console war' bit, how many homes do you know of with just one system? Most people these days have more. I know, kids probably only have the one to share but you're not really talking about playing with kids, right? They aren't a large part of the market.

Metalsonic66 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Dumb how? I know full well what I'm talking about.

You know full well that what you're saying will get responses.

That part's on you bub. I'm not forcing anyone to reply. We do have a few mini topics going at once. Digital vs physical, why XB is bad, Steam being malware, it's all informative.

Unbridled9 posted...

How the hell did you play for 80 hours yet get only 30 boxes? You get one every level-up. Even a casual player can easily get one a day via quickplay playing for, like, an hour or two at most. Nevermind if you go to arcade.

Also, special modes don't vanish after a week. The event stuff usually lasts quite a bit (month or so IIRC) and even when nothing is going on you can get some via arcade which keeps multiple modes in constant rotation.

And even THEN I find it very difficult to believe you went through 30 boxes and got 0 skins. Maybe if you were referring to an epic skin, but the more common ones? You should have gotten at least, like, six or seven over 30 boxes.

And even THEEEN... With 800 coins you weren't too far away from being able to basically buy any skin you wanted.

AND EVEN THEEEEEEENNNNN... Overwatch has been getting a constant stream up updated content. We've gotten six new heroes since launch along with six new 'normal' maps and all the specialized maps for other modes such as arena.

So really? Your complaints sound less grounded and more like you just didn't like the game and are trying to badmouth it to justify your dislike despite not having played it a lot. If you don't like it or weren't good at it, that's entirely fine... but complaining about a lack of new content (despite frequent champions and skins and events) and not getting any skins in their lootboxes (which sounds awfully suspicious) doesn't help your case.

It was a little over 30 for ranks. 36 I wanna say? I dunno how many freebies were there but they didn't give anything special.

The modes (or events I suppose) didn't last long at all. They could have kept the game interesting longer. Rocket League kept their new modes. Blizz dropped the ball.

I'd have to look but don't think so. Was stuck using defaults for the characters I tried. It's possible they changed the costs. 800 wasn't very close from what I recall. And that's all I received, it's not like I spent any coins. They're too rare.

Already stated they took too long and I quit playing a while ago. 6 characters now doesn't fix the broken promises of content back near launch.

dioxxys posted...

Lol no skins are buyable with coin, not only that but you can earn 3 lootboxes a week from arcade and one from every level up.

Did they change that? I'm damn near certain the fancy skins could be traded for if you had an asston of coins. That was how they encourage you to give them money, by dropping the odds. I will never pay for loot in any game, so the fact I couldn't change the colors on my character was another reason why the game stunk.

Peterass posted...

You must be unlucky with OW because I've played probably twice as much as you since launch and have almost every skin. As you play more, you get more coins from loot boxes duplicate items give you coins..

They release new stuff pretty regularly and it's almost always pretty good. Might not be the perfect game for your taste but tons still play it and it's still very heavily supported. I still play and have a lot of fun doing so. As for COD...not my thing.

Probably. I wasn't planning on sticking around long enough to see if things get better. The maps and modes at the time got stale. I heard duplicate items would change to coins but that's another way Blizz screws you - each new update gives more stickers so you don't get dupes, don't get coins, and maybe get frustrated enough to pay up. They had their chance and from what I've seen Blizz is overhyped.

Metalsonic66 posted...

DP just intentionally says dumb shit to get attention.

Dumb how? I know full well what I'm talking about. Do you?

helIy posted...

that's the guy that claims steam is the devil and he formatted his entire hard drive to get rid of it.

Had to be sure all traces were gone. You know how malware is - one bit remains and it phones home to reinstall itself. I listed a bunch of checkmarks that identify malware and Steam hits 'em all.

Veedrock- posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I have no friends

We get it dude.

I never wrote that.

adjl posted...

I... don't even know how to respond to such an absurd statement. You take console wars far too seriously if you define friendship as having the same consoles as you. If that was not a joke, please seek help immediately.

OneTimeBen posted...

Its one game.

Rocket League was another high-profile one. Minecraft could also be a potential option if Sony would allow cross-play.

Console wars? Let's not. I focus on games not hardware and if it has good games then I currently have said platform. Thanks to my years of experience I will offer suggestions on what to play or avoid. I wouldn't beg for crossplay because someone accidentally ended up with XB. I'd just say 'you're on your own, you know where I'll be".

We all agree XB is too far behind to matter. It was a poor idea to use BC in place of fresh content. I argued with many people about that because yes on its own BC isn't a terrible idea. It is a requirement though? No. I keep my old consoles so BC isn't as important. Fast forward to now and everyone is making a bigger deal out of crossplay than it's worth. Unfortunately Sony can be stubborn because of their position.

helIy posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Get new friends. If they don't have the same PS4/Switch that you're using then they're doing something wrong

uh, no?

dont be such a bitch that you'd drop a friend just because they went blue instead of green.

Didn't necessarily mean drop them, just that they made poor choices. Besides the fact I don't know people with XB or PC, I'm not playing what anyone else is playing. My last few completions were Statik, Blanc+Neptune vs Zombies, Taiko Master, Uncharted 4, Bleed, Accounting+, and Puyo Puyo Tetris. The last one goes online while the others mostly don't. Not the kind of things you see on a lot of lists.

I would however drop a friend playing CoD, Destiny, or EA Sports. It takes a special class of stupid to support those games.

No votes for F-Zero or Starfox? What's wrong with you people?

There's probably more I'm forgetting too. You can't go wrong with SNES.

I think so. We didn't have G4 long enough for me to learn the shows before they closed up. I miss that channel. There's barely enough worth watching on TV the way it is. I mean there's Discovery, Adult Swim, the Weather Channel, Boomerang, Science, and some reruns on Comedy, FXX, and TBS.

I've never asked/been asked for a date yet so the whole couples or marriage thing hasn't even crossed my mind. I know a few friends have been married and a couple of them divorced already. That's not encouraging.

Geez, last time I was AT a wedding I was still holding a Speak n Spell... Been a looong time.

Are those the sale prices? I won't touch a digital purchase if it's over $10. I figure without a disc/case/manual then I shouldn't have to pay more than that.

Huh? What the hell are you supposed to tap? It's a card with a chip.

adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2.

You have one. Give it a try, your computer won't explode.

Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will.

man101 posted...

There is an offline mode. It always works. Forever. You said something false. You are a liar.

DPsx7 posted...

The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance.

R oh effing L either the worst troll ever or actually borderline 70 iq.

There isn't or HL2 would have worked. Like I told the other person this is a serious problem and if you're going to act stupid then why waste the time. Steam is trash and I don't know who is paying you to lie about it. I've seen what this software does.

Nade Duck posted...

blizzard doesn't force people to buy loot at all, why is that one of your biggest complaints about this game?

and i'm sorry, but even if you don't like this it's still better than all the generic CoDs and battlefronts and what the fuck evers, the only other thing somewhat similar it is over a decade old now. i'd much rather they keep with this tbh. other than a select one or two, the companies with experience suck at their jobs at this point.

You can't be serious. Of course they do - if you want a skin you gotta buy it. They never show up randomly and like I said it would take several years to earn enough coins to buy one. I forget how long I played, maybe 80 hours? Only got 30 some odd boxes and a pitiful 800 coins. They should have worked on non-loot content. I wanted maps and modes. Got one map and the modes vanished after a week.

Oh I absolutely agree. I wouldn't devalue my collection with a CoD game. Not even once. However I wouldn't call OW good because they compare themselves to the slime at the bottom of the barrel. There are way better games with lots more content.

Lol, this is how I got rid of Steam back in the day. I wiped my drive and started fresh to be sure there weren't remnants in the registry.

Yeah basically you want a new HDD or to format the old one and reinstall the base software.

adjl posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

-In the case of more obscure or older games, it makes finding matches easier and increases the variety of people you play with
-It allows you to play with friends who have different systems (this is especially important for games like Minecraft where multiplayer with friends is so much better than multiplayer with randoms)

On the consumer end, the only downside is potentially bringing in more hackers if PC's included in the crossplay, since PC's a much easier platform to hack games on. That can be mitigated by effective anti-cheat policies from the developer. For the platform owner, the downside is that people no longer have to buy their platform.

Chances are those games won't boost their numbers even with crossplay. Too few people buy them.

Get new friends. If they don't have the same PS4/Switch that you're using then they're doing something wrong.

A good point right there. It's not only money but security issues.

Tearaway, Gravity Rush, and Muramasa were good if you didn't play them on other consoles already. DJ Technika and IA/VT are music games. Dokuro and Stealth Inc are puzzle platformers. Then if you go back to the early stuff there's Hot Shots, Katamari, Uncharted Golden Abyss, Wipeout, and LBP.

I have a lot I haven't tried yet too.