Lurker > DPsx7

Mead posted...

The Matrix

Huh, that's the last actual movie I saw. In theaters or at home.

Wally seems to have their own ongoing cosplay contest. Who can dress the worst legally?

LinkPizza posted...

In the end, it comes down to if you need it and its function enough to justify having it. For you, you say no. But for most people that have cell phones, they say yes. Some people use the GPS all the time. Or make most of their calls while out and about. And use their phone and all the random apps. So yes, its worth it for them. Especially since all they have to buy is the phone and not a bunch of other things that a phone can also do...

Yeah but the price of those few things (camera, GPS, calculator) still don't add up to the cost of a phone. You know I'm not making things up here.

We've covered a lot of views huh? Started with landlines still serving a purpose, moved to how phones almost don't count as gaming devices, to the costs associated with these, to convenience... Guess that's what happens when you talk to 20 people at the same time.

Jen0125 posted...

Dpsx7 it seems more like you're trying to rationalize why you don't have a phone outside a landline and instead decide to purchase hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of other electronics instead.

There's nothing to rationalize here, I feel I explained it well enough. If I'm going to spend money there should be a reason. I'm not a rich or fancy person. The only thing a phone will give me that I don't already have is a new monthly bill. Right? The price of convenience has its limits.

LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

A call is a call so it's a draw between landlines and cells.

Except for you can take a call on a cell phone pretty much anywhere. Which I would say makes it better.

DPsx7 posted...

I don't carry them every day so why would anyone else?

Because everyone is different and need different things to get through the day.

DPsx7 posted...

In terms of library it's hardly worth calling a phone a game system. In fact I wouldn't. I'd gladly rather been seen in public with a 3DS or Vita over something embarrassing on a phone.

Not the nest library. But there are fun games. You act like nobody like phone games when lots of people play them.

DPsx7 posted...

You keep making these claims on price that aren't true.

I don't even know why you're saying this. You can get pretty cheap plans...

DPsx7 posted...

You keep saying so to rationalize your purchase but I think we both know that's not the case.

We keep saying so because a cell phone is better. Depending on lifestyle choices, landlines are still good to have for some people, but not many. A cell phone is good for pretty much anyone. Especially if that person leaves the house.

Mm hmm. So how many times have you decided to take a call then immediately chose to leave the house? One would think if you're going to take the time to call you'll probably remain in approximately the same place. Calling from the car is illegal in some states so don't gimme any smartass answers. Ha.

While true it's highly unlikely that most people with phones NEED all that. To the guy in the military I talked with before, yeah sure. On the flip side tell me why every damn kid in a school needs one.

I could discuss this in depth if we wanted to go there but to keep it short phone games are a joke. Stuff you play for 2 days then throw away for something else is the worst kind of content. And please don't tell me you're the kind of person who would support microtransactions. Ugh.

Pretty cheap is vague. I mean there's the severe low end that's barely functional and it goes up from there. Or it gets subsidized by advertising. Cheaper entry fees are just to get you in the door. When the bill comes with all its assorted fees and charges, that's when my estimate of $100 a month counts for something.

I leave the house when necessary. Phone at home, phone at work. If I'm shopping somewhere I'm quite certain they have a phone for emergencies. A cell only makes sense if you're stuck in rural country.

SirPikachu posted...

Lol, you keep saying my prices aren't true, why don't you look it up? You can go to Walmart right now and see straight talk plans for like 30, 45, 55 and other for even even cheaper. Right here in Walmart. And then you can look right next to those and find a phone for like $40. All you have to do is walk to the back of Walmart where they display the phones and phone plans and see for yourself.

I've never used a real camera even since I've had a cellphone. It gets the job done good enough for anything I need cuz I'm not a professional photographer. I've never used a GPS ever since I got a phone capable of having Google maps cuz it's much better and easier to use that than to have to always have that GPS unit hiding somewhere in the car.

And then I'm not taking my 3DS everywhere cuz I don't wanna drop or lose it. I can keep myself entertained anywhere with my phone by hopping g on Facebook or something if I don't wanna play a game

Oh boy now we're using Walmart as proof. Between the cost of the phone and the ongoing plan you're still in for $70 or more per month.

I'm not a pro either. I bought a decent point and shoot just a few years ago that does a good job. Takes video, has some special modes I don't really use, has flash and a timer... My GPS gives turn by turn directions and as I stated earlier it only goes in the car when I'm out of town. No need to carry it every day like you would with a cell phone.

So you'd rather drop and lose the phone instead? That's a lame excuse.

Revelation34 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I won't go online without it. It's an avenue for malware. I don't like Google nor advertising.

I have to temporarily disable it sometimes for certain things to work properly. Then I remember when I get ads longer than the actual video on YouTube.

Very rarely will I try that. Most times if a site doesn't work because of Adblock I simply won't go there. If something is blocked then there must be a good reason, and if that something is essential to your site working then my trust level falls.

I've not seen an ad on YT in many years.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

he has slowly backpedaled his claims on how much a cell phone costs a month. initially he said 200-300, now it's down to 100 a month.

still way overestimating the cost, but getting closer...

Nah, I originally said $100-$200 a month and just use $100 to simplify things. The cost and fees hasn't changed. We're arguing the basic models so it doesn't make sense to discuss the higher end price for the fancy crap.

SirPikachu posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Not quite the same point. I'm saying why pay more for something with less functionality? You probably have all that other stuff to make life easier.

How the hell does a cell phone have less functionality? You keep saying that a hpuse phone, or land line, whatever, performs better, but you won't say how. In my house, I can call anyone and the call comes through just fine. Then I can take that call pretty much anywhere except the middle of nowhere without losing it, unlike a house phone. Tell me how a cellphone is not objectively better than a house phone when it comes to calls, because I just do not see it.

And then it has a decent camera, and my GPS always works wonders. And my family only pays a little over 100 for 3 phones. I'm thinking about just going to straight talk and getting unlimited call l, text, and data for just 55 a month.

Also, who want to buy and carry around a camera, a GPS, and their 3DS everywhere all the time, when you can get a decent camera, a very good GPS and a decent game device all in your pocket, than can also call people just about no matter where you are, espicially when you can get all of that easily for under $100 start fee and under $50 monthly charge.

It's just kind of ignorant to not have a smartphone by choice. You're just putting a handicap on yourself for no reason. They're so easily available, just about anyone in a first world country should be able to get one

And again with the horse analogy, since you didn't get it I guess, people used to just ride horse drawn buggies everywhere. Then the car was invented. Now no one rides horse drawn buggies except for fun. You could still get around in one, but you wouldn't because a car is much more convenient. Just like a cell phone compared to a house phone. Why would you want a house phone when a cell phone does everything better? Why would you want a horse drawn buggy when a car does everything better?

You're mixing up multiple arguments. A call is a call so it's a draw between landlines and cells. The functionality part was about all the side features and how any device trying to do everything will do nothing well. And when you consider you're paying monthly, the phone will be way more expensive in the long run.

I don't carry them every day so why would anyone else? When I do need them they're easily packed into a bag. In terms of library it's hardly worth calling a phone a game system. In fact I wouldn't. I'd gladly rather been seen in public with a 3DS or Vita over something embarrassing on a phone. You keep making these claims on price that aren't true.

No I do get it. When horses were the only choice then yeah it's different. Having new options doesn't mean the previous ones are gone because maybe some people don't want the mess and cost of a car (gas, insurance, repairs). I still haven't seen a valid reason why a cell is better than a landline. You keep saying so to rationalize your purchase but I think we both know that's not the case.

Not quite the same point. I'm saying why pay more for something with less functionality? You probably have all that other stuff to make life easier.

NightMareBunny posted...

I doubt many would consider not having a smartphone considering without one you are just tempting fate to screw you over and leave you with no way to call for help cause "uh I only expect to be called at home"

you really are asking for trouble in this day and age if you go around without a smartphone

Sheeze. What, do you work in a jungle or desert? Where could you possibly be that would leave you unable to get help? Besides, we already said that any junker phone doesn't need to be activated to dial 911.

Try leaving the phone at home for a day or two. You don't need it as much as you think you do. Everyone got by without them before and many still get by today.

LinkPizza posted...

I don't think we covered that a cell will always perform it's features worse than a dedicated product. You're one of the few who think that. But it doesn't mean you're right.

We did a page or two ago. A phone won't take good pictures, isn't as reliable as a GPS, and without a doubt cannot compare to a handheld gaming system. The results might be ok enough for you but you can't sit there with a straight face and say they're better. Any device that tries to do it all ends up doing everything half-assed. That's just how it is. Sacrifices have to be made in order for a phone to replace all the things they claim to.

Few? There are tons of people out there without one. I know a couple myself and no they aren't all elderly.

LinkPizza posted...

Sure. Handhelds ARE better for games, but the phone does have some games that handhelds don't have. Whether you like them or not is a different story. But some cameras are better. But not all. Plus, convenience. As for GPS, it works better than some of the ones I have had in the past. Not to mention, it constantly updates. Even in real time. And you can always get other GPS apps that have other functions, too. Like if there was an accident recently or something. Those are pretty good, too. Not only that, but it can remember your routes. Mine tells me how long to get to work and home everyday. And on Sunday, it tells me how long until I get to where I go to play Shadowrun. Which can help if I go somewhere unfamiliar to get food to bring to the game on my turn. So, I believe that a win for cell phone. And smartphones have other capabilities. Again, everyone may not use them, but lots of people do. Having a calculator or bring able to take notes even if you can't find a pen or paper. Having you address and phonebook with all your numbers in it. Or being able to get someone's number instantly added to you contacts. Looking up the news, or just bullshitting on here...

Uh, seriously? There isn't anything worth playing on a phone that isn't on a handheld. Phone games are too disposable or too 'pay to win'. Any basic camera will do a better job. Don't tell me convenience is worth $100 a month. I have a Garmin that does all that. Granted it only gets used a few times a year if I go on a trip.

How often do you really need a calculator? Taking notes maybe but again, $100 a month. I hate the news (none of it applies to me so why care about it). In the end I'm not seeing this win for phones. I bet if phone owners really sat to think about why they have these and how much money is being wasted, they'd reconsider. I mean it's not like I'm wrong here. Admit it, you got a phone to act cool in front of your friends rather than having a need for it. Right?

SirPikachu posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Gosh how old is this dpsx7 dude? 75?

Nah. Let's say the 18-40 demo. Follow up question - why does it matter? My parents only have flip phones.

You sound like a crotchety old man.

Meh. I don't like falling for money bleeding scams is all. Millions of other people don't have one either. The idea that everyone has one is part of the conditioning they give young people to drum up business.

Lol now that just sounds like a conspiracy theory. Everything a house phone can do, a cell phone can do much better and much more conviently. It's the future, get with it lol. I wouldn't be that surprised if house phone just plain didn't exist except for businesses in a few years

Cellphones are the future, and have been for almost 2 friggin decades now. Just like the car replaced the horse, the cell phone is going to replace the house phone

You're entitled to be 100% wrong, so ok. We've already covered that a cell will always perform its features worse than a dedicated product. And last I checked horses are still a thing, so that argument fails too.

On another note, these phones WILL make you stupid. Have you seen anyone on a cell phone do something intelligent? Like not walk into traffic? The word you wanted is 'conveniently' and since 'house phones' will never exist in a business you probably meant a land line. I don't think you're going to win this one...

What the hell kind of stupid question is this? Wifi IS wireless and ALL internet is wired. It needs to come into your house somehow.

SirPikachu posted...

I can easily find a smartphone for $20 and get a $20 prepaid plan tho. Sure it's not very good, but it beats the hell out of a house phone

Not that I'm interested but I call your bluff. Can't even get a flip phone for $20.

Jen0125 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Gosh how old is this dpsx7 dude? 75?

Nah. Let's say the 18-40 demo. Follow up question - why does it matter? My parents only have flip phones.

You sound like a crotchety old man.

Meh. I don't like falling for money bleeding scams is all. Millions of other people don't have one either. The idea that everyone has one is part of the conditioning they give young people to drum up business.

Jen0125 posted...

Gosh how old is this dpsx7 dude? 75?

Nah. Let's say the 18-40 demo. Follow up question - why does it matter? My parents only have flip phones.

LittleRoyal posted...

DPsx7 posted...

It's too late for me to have children. Not sure if my parents care that much.

Aw...Im sorry. *hugs*

I'm not complaining. I see how bad things are these days.

LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

No such thing as a 'cheap' plan. Even if the monthly rate is lower than another company you can be sure a stream of fees and hidden charges will follow.

Yes there are. For a while, I had a $60 unlimited plan. The only reason that changed was because I added people tot he plan. And someone even mentioned have a $30 monthly plan. And a 5 one, too...

DPsx7 posted...

Although phones can perform a lot of tasks they don't perform any specific task that well.

Which tasks are they doing bad at, though?

DPsx7 posted...

I'm generalizing for the majority of people with one. They are ignorant or lazy. Obviously there are a few cases, military or first responders, where it can be handy.

Yeah. But there are other jobs that can benefit from it, though. I can say all jobs can, but a lot could. I just stated some for the military since that's something I know. Sure, some people are lazy and maybe they don't need a phone. But again, that's based on what they do in their life. If they are always out running errands, or just have a very busy life, then phones can help, too.

$60 is a lot for just a phone. I mean I don't even like paying for PS4 online unless I find a sale. I try to double dip when possible by getting PSN credit for 10% off when stores offer it, then buy Plus online when Sony has a 'get money back' event.

Everything. They aren't as good as an actual GPS or digital camera. There's no contest when it comes to games. Handhelds destroy a phone thanks to a thing called 'buttons'. Calls are calls, that's a draw. What else would you do with a phone?

Nichtcrawler X posted...

DPsx7 posted...

If you're paying $100-$200 a month for these silly little things then my estimates are in the ballpark. The money wasted on a toy could be used for car insurance, saved for later, invested, or a hell of a lot of games.

They aren't, the one I have now and got over a year ago, cost around 100 and my package costs me 5 a month.

Maybe over there it's a little different. I'm in the US and contracts/plans are required and obnoxious. On the plus side with the money saved I got a nice drone and a PSVR. Way better choices if you ask me. If you think about it a phone is just a collection of devices that aren't as good as the separate units I already have.

1, 2 and 3 were excellent. I think 4 was decent but that's when the series started downhill. It's been a while since I've played them so I don't recall. Either 5 or 6 had some really stupid mechanics and the less said about 7 and 8 the better.

You wonder why they revived the MM series but not X. What about Legends too?

It's too late for me to have children. Not sure if my parents care that much.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

A cell on the other hand costs hundreds up front and hundreds each month. We're talking $1000-$2000 a year

Are you high?

If you're paying $100-$200 a month for these silly little things then my estimates are in the ballpark. The money wasted on a toy could be used for car insurance, saved for later, invested, or a hell of a lot of games.

LinkPizza posted...

Maybe you don't, but that doesn't mean other people are exactly the same. For someone who is in the military (Like myself), having a GPS at the ready whenever is great. You can easily get moved to a new base in a city or state you've never been in. And it really helps to get around. Or when you go on TDY or a deployment. And most people don't always carry a GPS around on those occasions. Especially if they already have a cellphone with that on it. And a camera can be useful, too. Especially when we're trying to explain to someone what was wrong with the jet. A video or picture helps. And most of the time, camera's themselves weren't allowed. And most of the time, you won't be near a phone when working. But you will need to text/call people to get the right tools or parts. So, that's why I say it depends on the person and what they need it for. Also, most of the time, I realize that people seem to be out most of the time when they make or receive calls. At least, the people I call and receive calls from. And my family. And most of my co-workers and such. Obviously, I can only base this off of the people I know. But they usually seem to be out of the house when I call them... The cost sucks, but when it comes to smartphones, they can actually do a lot. And carrying a phone is much better than carrying a laptop, GPS, camera, etc. all at the same time when a phone can do all that on it's own. And it's either a similar size, if smaller than the rest. That's why it's actually not hard to rationalize. And they are some cheap plans. And you can even get certain smartphones cheap. Not the newest ones, but they're still smartphones...

I'm generalizing for the majority of people with one. They are ignorant or lazy. Obviously there are a few cases, military or first responders, where it can be handy. Does every dang kid need a phone? Absolutely not.

No such thing as a 'cheap' plan. Even if the monthly rate is lower than another company you can be sure a stream of fees and hidden charges will follow.

SirPikachu posted...

Good lord, I cannot fathom why someone would have one as their only phone still; that is outright bonkers. It's not like it's any cheaper than even a lot of unlimited talk plans WITH DATA, and of course you're screwed into having to ask strangers for help if you wanna make a call anywhere. And then been probably the only person that any of your acquaintances know that can't be easily reached when not at home has to be a huge burden.

I just don't understand. We had to have a line for a while when my mom had this heart monitor which had to use a phone line to send the data it recorded to the doctor, but we never plugged in the phone because who in their right mind would get up and go to the living room just to make a call when you can reach into your pocket. and who would call the general house phone instead of the specific person you are trying to reach?

The only reasons I could ever see is you have to have it for some odd reason. But having one as opposed to a half decent cell phone plan is crazy. And for emergencies, it can still call 911 if it's plugged in and not be payed for, any other emergencies could be handled many other ways.

It's a lot cheaper. Landlines are usually included with cable/internet packages. A small additional fee. A cell on the other hand costs hundreds up front and hundreds each month. We're talking $1000-$2000 a year. No amount of convenience is worth that much. Besides, the caller ID shows up on the TV (if it's on) so it's not like I need to rush to the phone all the time. I think anyone who assumes cells are a necessity are relatively insane.

They aren't even good for games if you own a 3DS and Vita. Although phones can perform a lot of tasks they don't perform any specific task that well.

NightMareBunny posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

Locke90 posted...

yes I do only because I dont want or need a cell/mobile phone.

not even for emergency calls when you are out?

this is what i don't get about people who refuse to get a cellphone....they think there's only a need to call when their at home

How often are you that far from a phone? I'm quite certain in an emergency a nearby home or business will assist you. And from my understanding you can keep a phone in your car, totally unsubscribed and therefore free, solely for 911 calls.

LinkPizza posted...

I wouldn't say they aren't useful. I think it depends on your lifestyle. It was definitely useful when I worked on base. And sure, I could carry around all that stuff, but why would I when I could just carry a phone that has all that and more. And I wouldn't want to have to go home just to contact someone. Or have someone have to call multiple numbers to reach me. It can be pointless for some people to have cell phones. But for others, it's very useful as a tool and more...

Maybe if you're not near a phone then ok. I rarely need a camera or GPS and will take them when necessary. My point being how can anyone tolerate the freaking costs. Or worse try to rationalize them. No wonder younger generations have little savings.

For as much as they cost cell phones AREN'T useful. I have never owned one and refuse to pay $200 a month when I have a perfectly good phone (land line) at work and at home. I also have a laptop, digital camera, and GPS, none of which require a subscription... Nevermind the whole privacy, tracking, or advertising issues these days.

*Oh, I know of one payphone that still works. It's at a campground.

Revelation34 posted...

I use full adblock cause fuck ads in general. Most are full of malware anyway.

I won't go online without it. It's an avenue for malware. I don't like Google nor advertising.

WastelandCowboy posted...

And it's not that hard to find something to be upset with him about. Dude's a jackass.

Nah, just you. It's another case of a non-problem becoming one because some unintelligent people were bored.

There's one obvious fact that some fail to realize. The nation was free to vote and did, and those who don't like it are free to leave.

Does it matter? There's next to nothing worth watching that isn't animated anyway.

It's called building a backlog. I've a ton of games that aren't open but I'll get there eventually. I won't buy a game until the price drops a little, and will be playing all this stuff in the meantime.

I figure I'm at least a year or two behind.

RoboXgp89 posted...

sounds like illusion of gaia maybe

It resembles that Treasure G game he mentioned.