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Thanks for the list, para.

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Damn, I thought BotW would be #1.

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New topic
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78317386

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I'd have to make three useless posts, wouldn't I?

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What if I needed to get us to 500 so I could make a new topic?

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Actually, is it always the same judge in every game, including the ones without Phoenix?

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LeonhartFour posted...

it's just the game's way of refusing to let you examine something that would be way too important on day 1

they did it during 2-3 too when Phoenix refused to take a slip of paper out of the Ringmaster's tailcoat that had the "TO THE MURDERER" note on it

I remember that, I was going to point it out but then forgot to.

LeonhartFour posted...

Well, technically she wasn't there when Pearl powered it up and Phoenix never bothered to explain it to Maya during 2-3!

I meant more in the sense that people generally know how their own magic items work.

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NFUN posted...

his name is a reference to it

I mean, I get it. There's only one famous Godot.

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Episode 2: The Stolen Turnabout
- We begin with a mysterious masked thief stealing something a safe, and Gumshoe being made to look like a fool when he realizes whats happened.
- Later, Maya and Pearl are like lets go to the museum thats having a Kurain Village exhibit. Why would a city two hours away from Kurain Village have an exhibit about it? Shut up.
- Adrian Andrews is here. Apparently shes a museum curator, which sounds like a perfectly likely job for someone who was involved in planting evidence at a murder a year ago.
- The next day, we learn on TV that the famous thief, Mask DeMasque stole the Kurain Sacred Urn. Maya is very upset that someone took broken urn that was so unremarkable that they left it on an unattended pillar in a hallway accessible by eight year-olds.
- Oh man, will this case be about a theft instead of a murder? Is that even allowed?
- Mask DeMasque surrenders to Gumshoe, then requests to meet with Phoenix specifically. We go to the detention center and meet Ron DeLite, who definitely does not have Princess Leia hair. Hes like I lost the urn lol.
- But then his wife is like No dude, hes just deluding himself into thinking he did it, hes really just a boring guy. I also like how Phoenix refuses to violate the guys privacy by reading a letter he has without a reason, as if hes ever respected anyones privacy ever.
- Morgan Fey is in isolation in prison? That seems a bit extreme.
- Man, everyone sure is nonchalant about letting a little kid run around on her own. This particular little kid barely even knows anything about cities, too!
- Its amusing how Adrians personality has done a 180.
- I was about to say that its absurd that Phoenix has to give a psyche-lock tutorial to Maya, but then I realized it is Maya, so okay.
- Atmey says he can identify thieves by the shapes of their foreheads, huh. Im gonna level with you, the last thing I expected to find in this game was phrenology.
- She chose Hollywood over me! Dude, its only a thirty-minute drive, I dont see the problem.
- Youre 26 years old, huh? Dont think its time you took a long, hard look at your life? Aw, no, Larry, shut up, shut up, shut up
- Atmey tells us about the famous Godot. Ive been waiting for him. Aw yeahhhhh 1950s French political stage play references, thatll get me in good with Board 8.
- So Edgeworth is abroad again, huh?

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LeonhartFour posted...

It's basically assumed that Edgeworth owns them in court afterward. There's one case that explicitly shows Edgeworth right after a trial of someone he caught during the investigation.

I'll have to assume it works well in context. I'll probably get to them eventually, but I'm not going beyond the Steam games for now.

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Oh, that's kind of weird. I always just assumed that Edgeworth's job was the same as Phoenix's, investigating and then arguing in court. If you're arguing with people outside of court, then how are they convicted afterwards?

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So I thought of something while showering. Grossberg says it's the defense's job to find the contradictions in witness testimonies even if it's the defendant (which is insane, of course). In the Edgeworth games where you're the prosecutor, do you still do the cross-examination?

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Just went back and did the Angel Starr lunchboxes achievement with the help of a guide. Some of the requirements to see all of the boxes are kind of dumb.

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NFUN posted...

Maya is kind of bad at it too

Man, at the point I'm at, we've only even seen her channel one person ever.

Leonhart4 posted...

3-1 is really good. Best version of Payne, for sure, but the worst version of Phoenix. He's basically Larry Butz in a pink sweater. You can see why they were friends growing up.

But in my head canon, that's why Larry annoys Phoenix so much in the present. He reminds him of who he used to be and how Dahlia manipulated him.

That's genius, but I don't know how much they intended any of that.

LordoftheMorons posted...

I was playing FF14 today and there was a "laurel and yanny" reference. I think that one was dated the instant it was over!

Video games referencing things is always risky.

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NFUN posted...

Because DL-6, I believe

Even if it's not admissible, it'd still be useful to say "Who killed you," dammit.

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Wait a second, I'm an idiot. Why didn't Maya or Pearl channel the ghosts of any of the victims since 1-3? I guess they weren't there for 2-1 and it wouldn't have helped in 2-3 or 2-4, but they couldn't have known that at the time!

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Time for the third and final game of the topic.

Episode 1: Turnabout Memories
- Its five years earlier We open up with Phoenix perhaps having killed a man. Dun dun dun?! We play as Mia, counseled by Grossberg. On the first line of dialogue, I flip to the case file and check out the characters. Obviously Dahlia is the killer because she has those faux-nice girl eyes. One detail I like is how Mias lawyer badge has a different description than Phoenixs and is written much more professionally.
- Oh man, a flashback within a flashback, okay. Mia is like my last trial traumatized me a lot, so I quit, but I guess now Im back or whatever.
- I love Winston Paynes greaser hair.
- Its actually really nice to get a case that lets you see Mia in action with a bunch of sprites similar to Phoenixs.
- This is a terrible tutorial for someone who hasnt played the previous games. No one even told me how to press the Q button. How am I supposed to knowwwwwHoH
- I like how everyone fawns over Dahlia except Mia. Thats similar to what happened with April May, but its more in-depth here and has special music, which makes it funnier.
- Jesus Christ, a milkshake brings all the boys to the yard reference?
- The Great Judgini, huh?
- Youve really lit a fire in my stomach and my buttocks! I can hardly tell which is more inflamed, my spirit or my hemorrhoids!
- Ah, the extremely rare I dare you legal maneuver, one of my favorites. The last time I saw it used was on Deep Space 9 when Kira tried to get Dukat to eat an arsenic pill to prove his willingness to eat arsenic.
- Jesus Christ, Mia,
all you have to do is ask for the pills to be tested in a crime lab, you dont have to keep double dog daring everyone you meet.
- Winston Paynes hair exploding away is pretty good.
- So, Mias boyfriend was murdered by Phoenixs girlfriend slipping poison into his coffee, and Dahlia swears revenge for getting caught? Interesting. Im sure this wont come up later at all.
- You know, Im willing to let you retcon Phoenix into meeting Mia as a client, thats fine. Ill even let slide the idea that Phoenix was an art student before becoming a lawyer even though we know he wanted to be a lawyer from age 8 and has never expressed interest in art in the first two games. But shut up, theres no way you can justify Grossberg and Phoenix not recognizing each other in the first game. Ill let it go because I understand thats how it has to go for the plot, but dont pretend it makes sense. If youre going to remake the game and add new stuff, why wouldnt you change their dialogue in the first game to Oh dude hey Grossberg, remember me?
- Overall, this is unquestionably the best tutorial from a story perspective, in that stuff is actually happening thats exciting, you have a villain whos interesting, the characters feel a bit more fleshed out and engaging, and the jokes land. Its also really nice to see Mia in action before she died. From a tutorial perspective, though, its really long and doesnt explain some of the mechanics.

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I mean, honestly, even if you still think Phoenix's job is to get a not guilty verdict no matter what, you could still argue that Matt isn't really a client, since Phoenix was forced to take him.

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I just looked up the games after AA3 because I wanted to know why they aren't on Steam. So they're all DS/3DS/iOS exclusive, huh? Stupid Nintendo gimmicks making it hard to port things.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, I agree with you almost entirely about Franziska, but I almost think that's kind of the point of her character. She openly declares herself to be this prodigy when she's really not (and as she admits in the ending, she's fully aware that she's not). Maya points out that they're the same age at one point in the game, and Franziska does act her age at times, even though she tries not to let anyone see it. She also has a massive inferiority complex from living in the shadow of her father and Edgeworth. It does make her much less satisfying to beat her, especially since she just whips Phoenix into unconsciousness every time she loses, but yeah, I get why they made her that way. Not a huge fan of hers overall though.

and aw yeah 2-4 the best

I would guess she was made that way to emphasize Edgeworth's eventual return.

XIII_rocks posted...

For all the humour PW attempts and is often successful at, this is by far the funniest thing the games have ever done

I love it. And it honestly to the game's charm in a way.

I was shocked. It's so good.

I forgot to mention the one thing 2-3 does that I liked. Because it comes after 2-2, it understands the player is predisposed to suspecting airheaded people as the killer, so to reveal that Regina is really all surface is a good twist.

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Overall Thoughts:
- Im not really certain what I think of Franziska. The difference between her and Edgeworth is obvious: Edgeworth feels like your equal from the start, Franziska never does. When youre arguing with Edgeworth, you always feel like youre fighting an uphill battle against the guy who has all of the advantages, except for the times when he helps you (which is admittedly every single case hes in except 1-2). Edgeworth is always collected and dangerous, and the biggest way to show the difference between them is their surprised sprites: Edgeworth glowers and looks angry while Franziska clutches her chest and looks scared. Edgeworth even seems more professional even when mocking you (they both wag their finger, but Edgeworth does it while standing whereas she does it while leaning over the desk). She just comes off as kind of childish, which is an odd personality trait for someone whos supposed to be the antagonist for half the game. I guess what Im saying is that Franziska does not create an environment where you feel excited to defeat her or where you feel constantly up against the ropes like Edgeworth does, which makes defeating her less satisfying. Anyway, Edgeworth > von Karma > Franziska > Payne.
- 2-1 is kind of unremarkable. Theres nothing really to even say about it except that it actually has nothing to do with the plot, whereas 1-1 introduces Larry Butz and the clock.
- 2-2 is more interesting. I like getting more worldbuilding on Mayas history and Kurain Village, and I like the general idea of the mystery. The problem with it is that the mystery is incredibly obvious. You know from the second Morgan Fey shows up that shes responsible for everything, so the only actual plot twist is Ini Mineys identity, but it doesnt even matter. If shed really been Ini Miney, shed be out for revenge against the doctor, and if shes Mimi Miney, then shes trying to cover up her tracks, but either way it doesnt really matter, does it? And thats the only actual twist the case has because of how obvious everything in it is every other detail, even where the real killer was hiding, was super obvious. This wasnt a problem in any of the first games cases, which all had really complicated plots with twists that actually throw you for a loop. Maybe Im overanalyzing things here, but when I play a mystery game, I expect to be floored by some unexpected motives and real killers identities, and I technically got those things in unsatisfying ways. On the flipside, the characters themselves are all great or at least fine (Doctor Hotti excepted), so it does have that.
- 2-3 is definitely the worst case of the first two games. Its not just that the mystery is kind of lame and you instantly figure out that the murder victim was killed accidentally, its not just that the circus characters are all super lame and annoying, its that the mystery of the murder itself is really unsatisfying and defeating Acro is even less satisfying. Hes basically just a guy looking for revenge. All of the other killers had like resources or plans or accomplices to work your way through, he had a monkey and a blanket. I guess that works as a filler episode, but as a standalone story, its very weak.
- 2-4, though, is so good. Edgeworth is back and just styles all over Franziska, the case ends with all of the lawyers teaming up and defeating the villains together, de Killer has a weird sense of honor that makes him interesting, Engarde has a fantastic evil reveal and a great line (Im gonna consult myself), Franziska tears up and shows vulnerability at the end, and Phoenix learns about himself the same way Edgeworth does: by losing a case and having to come to grips with the ethical complexities of his job. Add to that a ticking clock element, a sympathetic witness, a lot of wacky shenanigans in the courtroom as Phoenix and Edgeworth work together, and the generally clever twist of having to work against your own client, and I think I can comfortably call this the best case so far.
- One thing I noticed is the deemphasis on Maya. Maya is barely in 2-1 and Pearl takes her place in 2-2 and 2-4, so Maya is really only in the game in 2-3, which surprised me. Before I played this series, I knew Maya by sight and assumed she was the main girl whos always with you, and that wasnt really the case here.
- If you asked me which game is better, Id have to give it to the first. Its mysteries just seem better thought out. AA2 is working at a disadvantage from having one fewer case, but even accounting for that, 2-3 is very weak and 2-1 is just a tutorial. 2-2 is perfectly fine, and 2-4 is the best Ive seen so far, but its not enough to push it over AA1.
- In summary, 2-4 > 1-4 > 1-5 > 1-2 = 2-2 > 1-3 > 1-1 > 2-1 > 2-3

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LeonhartFour posted...

Lotta's role gets replaced by Larry for some reason. They made Adrian and Celeste sisters for some reason. They made the suicide note real for some reason.

Oh, and they actually showed the video tape. There were some other little things (as well as just going through it too fast and not giving it room to breathe), but those were the major things.

Those are all really weird changes. Not necessarily bad, but the logic behind them sounds fuzzy.

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Yeah, I did choose guilty both times. What does the anime change?

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I chose guilty.

So, question. If there was no suicide note, why did Celeste have ink on her finger when the cops examined her body? I remember that being the evidence for her writing a note.

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- I like how Phoenixs nightmare only acknowledges the existence of one judge in the world. Which is a bit interesting. You could have easily made these games to have plenty of wacky judges like every other character; they must have consciously chosen to have one judge throughout every case.
- Wait, Phoenix told Gumshoe about Engarde being evil? Because Gumshoe was sure as hell not there when we learned that.
- After Gumshoe told Phoenix to draw everything out as long as possible, I somehow misread Mias You have something money can never buy. Friendship. as You have to babble about something. Friendship. I dont know how I did that, but I like my version better.
- I enjoy Will Powers assuming that Phoenix is always trying to turn the witness into a bad guy.
- Mr. Edgeworth! I blame you for leading me down this route!
- I cant remember, is this the first time a witness has been called twice in a case?
- Mia is called by Maya to see where she is, and describes looking out of a small window in an office building third floor. But office buildings have giant windows because thats the entire design! Theres no office building with small windows. Bad move, game.
- I like the touch of the people watching still arguing when Phoenix is talking, which has never happened before, because his client is so obviously evil.
- So am I not allowed to ask why the suicide note was left in the bear instead of being pulled out of it?
- The game really won me over with Phoenix saying I have an objection, Edgeworth complaining that that very weak, and Phoenix raising his finger and doing the OBJECTION thing.
- Holy god, that was the most amazing throw in history. Phoenix saying TAKE THAT and then a spinning sprite of the cell phone they didnt even remove from the gray box around evidence, and no movement on Edgeworth at all This is some kind of strange form of art.
- Didnt see Edgeworth calling de Killer coming, I expected him to call Engarde. Why do they never call the defendants to the stand? And dont you dare say that you cant call a defendant to the stand in real life, Larry Butz disproved that in the first case of the first game.
- Anyway, that radio reveal, that is A+ material. That beats the parrot easily. I saw the parrot coming from a mile away, this I did not. I also like how when the radio moves, its just being stretched out with photoshop in the laziest way imaginable.
- Im just going to say it: the game would be better if the judge had a shocked face like the lawyers. Sometimes you get Phoenix and Edgeworth freaking out and the judge also freaks out, but he still just looks normal.
- If you cant believe the word of a professional assassin, who can you believe?
- I like Phoenix fake objecting and Edgeworth fake apologizing.
- Im a little confused about how de Killer could know so much about what happens in the trial without knowing Adrien Andrews gender, but fine.
- The radio exploding and sweating oil is nice, but somehow its not on the level of glasses or puppets exploding, and its certainly not lightning Gant.
- Oh god, her name was Adrian the whole time? Thats how I normally spell it, I spelled it with an E because I could have sworn I saw it spelled that way in the game, ugh.
- What do you think, Ms. von Karma? Well, I was just shot. I got a bad ending on purpose because I wanted to see what would happen. Wait, this is the game that gave us the miracle never happen? Because if so, the Steam version corrected the tense.
- I cant help but notice how no one actually shows de Killer the tape. Im sure they wanted to dodge around how this was a radio transceiver, but cmon.
- I like Maya complaining that shes referred to as an item.
- I cant help but notice how the judge didnt actually declare Engarde guilty.
- Wow, I didnt realize how much taller than Maya Phoenix is. Shes very short.
- Im honestly shocked that they bothered to make a coatless Gumshoe sprite.
- So Edgeworth uses the transceiver to track down Franziska while shes at the airport, eh? Here is the most nitpicky thing I will ever nitpick: if this was LA, that would make this airport LAX, and theres no way you could ever park at LAX in time to reach Franziska while she was still at the terminal because the traffic for a mile around the airport in every direction is always completely stopped. Alternatively: this is the Burbank Airport, which you can find fast parking for, but I dont think Burbank has international flights.
- I like Mayas picture at the end. Thats very touching, and its extra touching that Franziska takes it. I like how Franziska spends the whole game trying to have a very specific persona, only to finally drop it for one second at the end with her adoptive brother. Ill talk more about this in my overview, though.

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Leonhart4 posted...

And Engarde's reveal shows there's an inherent loophole with the Magatama because Phoenix asked if he killed Juan. Matt said no, and nothing appeared because technically he didn't. It can fail if you don't ask the right questions.

Still better than going off of nothing!

Leonhart4 posted...

Also why are you surprised at police incompetence at this point?

That, at least, is true.

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- Edgeworth is like lol theres a professional assassin who leaves these cards that Samus Aran was playing with, also your client hired him.
- We go to Matt Engardes house to feed his cat, only to find the assassin there. But Phoenix doesnt know hes the assassin. So, Phoenix Are you not going to mention how the butlers face is split in the middle? Okay then.
- I like how in Corridas room, the guitar case is still wet, and an alarm clock says its 8 oclock when its still bright outside.
- I had to highlight the bear statues eyeball? Shut up, game.
- Hold on a second, Im gonna consult myself, okay?
- I actually expected Matt Engarde to behind everything because he was otherwise too boring and pointless, but I didnt expect his transformation. Now thats a turnabout. Also, I like the glass of wine he pulls from nowhere. Actually, thinking about it, my logic was flawed anyway, because Will Powers was also boring and pointless and he was still the defendant once. Oh well.
- Im sorry, game. I can accept that Phoenix can identify a cat meow he heard one time over a radio, sure. Im fine with that. But I dont accept that the police never searched the house of a murder suspect.

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- We call Samus Aran to the witness stand.
- I love her glasses exploding when shes surprised, but I love even more how she puts on a spare pair. Thats genius.
- Im going to pin you down, Ms. Andrews!
- Theres a law It says I cant be forced to testify about something if it can incriminate me! I mean, first of all, thats news in this universe, second of all, that law only applies to the chief of police, third of all, you were already testifying this whole time and it needs to be invoked before you testify, fourth of all, that only applies if youre the defendant, and fifth and most important of all, you invoked this law when Phoenix asked how tall you are, which is something that can be easily measured without your testimony. Phoenix is then like Franziska gave her that idea, but I mean, pleading the fifth isnt that rare of an idea, a random person could plausibly choose to do it.
- I like Edgeworth helping because he realizes something is up. Semi-friendly Edgeworth is the best Edgeworth.
- I mean Phoenix was going to have his case thrown out because he had no definitive evidence, and only had circumstance evidence, but he wins it because She poured the juice after seeing a knife sticking out of the guys body, so she must have known he was dead? I mean, sure, but thats no more definitive than anything else hes said.
- Usually, the real killer confesses to his or her guilt. Thank God Phoenix Wright is too young to remember OJ Simpson.
- Adrien: Please! Please stop! I beg you! If people find out If people find out Ill Edgeworth: If youre going to say you would choose death, that is of no concern to me. Stone ****ing cold. That alone is going to make Edgeworth jump over von Karma for best prosecutor.
- Adrien has admitted that she put all of the evidence on Matt, how is this even still a trial? Theres literally nothing pointing to Matt at this point except a motive.
- I didnt even realize the judge had a chair behind him.

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- I dont think this game understands how weird it is for Mia to show up in Pearls body.
- I like how the judge asks Phoenix what happened to Franziska, as if he would possibly know.
- Franziska was shot, presumably by the kidnapper, oh my goddddd
- I knew shed be shot in the same place as her father even before Edgeworth said so.
- I knew the knife would be a fakeout, though I admit I missed the bandana.
- You know, now that I think about it, Franziska has a weak objection. Edgeworths is very classy and von Karmas is very booming. Hers is just sort of said normally.
- Man, the difference between Edgeworth and Franziska is night-and-day. Both of them challenge Phoenix and present surprising new evidence, but Edgeworth just comes across as way more composed even while mocking Phoenix. Even his surprised face is more him reeling in shock and anger while Franziskas is fear. Its really good to have him back.
- I just realized Wendy Oldbag has a wedding ring even as she hits on Edgeworth.
- I did not expect this to be the exact same thing as the previous game where she witnesses someone in a costume and assumes its the person who normally wears it.
- Even the speed lines behind Phoenix and Edgeworth as they argue are better than when Franziska did it, and Im not completely certain why. I think its because Edgeworth is just more of competent, believable rival than Franziska, whos kind of whiny.
- I suppose next youll swear to me that the news is 100% truth! Is that Is that a fake news reference in 2002? This series is way ahead of its time.
- Im just going to level with you. I couldnt figure out that I had to press Oldbag on her secret knowledge and then present Lottas camera. I just looked it up. Sue me. That was stupidly obscure and you know it.
- The defense moves to indict Ms. Adrien Andrews in the murder of Juan Corrida! Ill take sentences it is not legal to say in a courtroom for 500, Alex.

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hombad46 posted...

I mean, she was an accomplice to the murder

Edit: Also the case ends showing Morgan in solitary confinement

Underleveled posted...

Yeah it was very explicit that Morgan was arrested.

I remember her saying that she'd return for revenge or whatever, but not the arrest. Oh well.

LeonhartFour posted...

just for that you get this

They're not all winners, dammit.

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hombad46 posted...

Morgan was arrested after 2-2

What

I didn't get that at all.

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- Theres only one way were going to prove Matt Engardes innocence. We have to find the real killer. Can you imagine if this was how actual legal proceedings worked?
- Oh, Samus Aran with glasses. I didnt expect you.
- I know its way too late to think about this, but why is Pearl even allowed to hang out with us? I wouldve assumed her mother would stop that, either for training purposes or hating Maya purposes.
- I was about to say that 23 is pretty young for a manager, but then I remembered how old the entire rest of the cast is. About the only person in the series whos the correct age is von Karma.
- I love this picture of the victim with a tiny butter knife 1/100th of an inch into his costume armor, as if that could possibly kill him. Im sure that will be important later, but oh man, thats some funny stuff.
- Man. Remember when you had to choose what to watch because shows were on at the same time? God, if any one thing dates this game, its that concept.
- I said this before, but Lotta has the worst surprised face in the series, which is a problem because she shows up constantly and keeps making it.
- Edgeworths back, yay. And he brought a new theme tune thats honestly not that good.
- Im unclear on why Phoenix hates Edgeworth here?
- Working together is the definition of teamwork. Yes, Edgeworth, and people die when they are killed.
- Phoenix, if youre concerned that Samus Aran has a motive for killing Juan Corrida, why not just ask her outright and use your literal magic to determine the truth?
- Pearl: Mystic Maya said ask my sis, right? Phoenix: Sis? What does she mean by that? Phoenix come on, now

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Bah. I was just curious.

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Do people generally like all of 3?

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Raka_Putra posted...

2-4 also introduces one of my favorite witnesses.

Oldbag in an astronaut suit?

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Episode 4: Farewell, My Turnabout
- The case opens up with a traditional Californian samurai/ninja contest.
- I didnt really expect the Steel Samurai stuff to make a return.
- A samurai with a clockwork arm, huh? Phoenix Wright apparently predicted Sekiro.
- Oh man, a for great justice reference after all. That shows me.
- All of these returning characters. JJ Abrams was right, no ones ever really gone. See, I can make out-of-place pop culture references too!
- This one time at lawyer camp, the game is just determined to defeat me with dated references.
- Holy god what, Will Powers is 24? I thought he was like 45. Dudes got a bad case of the Aurons.
- A mysterious bellboy (or maybe not) named De Killer kidnaps Maya and tells Phoenix to get an acquittal for Matt Engarde in exchange for her. What a waste of a good kidnapping. Doesnt he know that wed take the case anyway and win because thats all we ever do?
- Wait, I can just use Mayas fancy stone thing to tell if people are lying? Like, at will? Jesus Christ, why wasnt Phoenix doing that all the time?

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Thanks. Im going with the majority and saying hisbis a bad case, sorry everyone.

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Actually, I just realized, did Franziska ever give a motive for why Max would kill the Ringmaster? Or how he flew away?

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- Third moment I enjoyed: Acros bird pecking Phoenix.
- Phoenix is a poopeyhead!
- I object for objections sake Sorry, Franziska, youre no Edgeworth.
- Im unclear on how Acro planned to frame Max. He says it, and Phoenix says, but he first has no motive to frame Max other than not wanting to be caught, everyone admits that using the bust was just a random decision, the cloak caught on the bust by mistake, and it doesnt sound like he planned for Moe to see anything.
- Im also unclear on why the Ringmaster wore Maxs cloak and hat at all. Why disguise himself? And if Ben and Trilo saw it was the Ringmaster and greeted him while he was wearing the cloak and hat, why wouldnt that have been brought up?
- Franziska is definitely coming off as incompetent and whiny, by the way. Edgeworth at least always has an air of professionalism even when hes surprised and defeated.
- This is definitely the weakest case so far. Spoilers, its going to be on the bottom of my rankings, unless 2-4 really craps the bed. I saw Acro killing Russel Berry because he wanted to kill Regina coming from a million miles away once I realized she wasnt the murderer.

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Team Rocket Elite posted...

It was "For great justice".

Man, I totally do not remember that at all, but okay.

Leonhart4 posted...

Well, he turned them into clown-related shows

After all, it was the C-Team

They're just random and unrelated shows! Simpsons at least has an actual clown and a guy named Moe.

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Team Rocket Elite posted...

Do you recall what the Steel Samurai's motto was?

I honestly do not.

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I meant when he starts blathering in the trial, not just generally! I see no connection between clowns and the A-Team or Fresh Prince.

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- The court accept this into evidence. Dammit, translators, hire an editor.
- The only moment in this case so far Ive enjoyed is Trilo exploding when you corner him in a lie.
- Whos pocket was that ring in? Dammit, translators, hire an editor.
- Wow, I did not expect a Fresh Prince and A-Team reference from Moe. Jesus Christ, at least give me a Three Stooges or Simpsons reference.
- Youre the man now, doll! Man, these 2001-era memes are really not doing it for me. Is there going to be an all your base reference next?
- Ah okay, Maxs bust is going to be the murder weapon.
- Im not sure Franziskas motive to avenge Edgeworth makes sense given what we see of 1-5. The judge even talks about how Gant will be the biggest scandal ever.
- The second moment in this case I enjoyed: Phoenixs options when Regina asks for his help. Gladly! But of course! Ill get it for you!

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I'm having problems. The text keeps skipping after like one second per box. I tried the options and set text skip to each of the three options, but it always skips. I can still play the game, I just can't stop at any point, which is annoying. Does anyone know what's happening?

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Episode 3: Turnabout Big Top
- Let me guess, the magician dies and half the mystery will be unraveling his magic tricks.
- I like how a divide is immediately drawn between spirit channeling and magic.
- Nick, you have to turn on the TV! Thankfully, Phoenix doesnt need to be told a channel or anything, he can just rely on that News-brand news.
- Goddammit, Max is the person I need to defend.
- Theres not even a joke I can make about Maxs appearance, so I wont bother.
- I want a mystery where the guard in the detention center is accused of murder and I have to defend him, and all of his dialogue is about how boring his job is.
- I like how he wont talk to Phoenix, but when Phoenix tells Maya to ask, he immediately talks.
- Max, youre rich, you can find a better lawyer. You can at least find one who already knows what gunpowder is.
- I remember someone telling me earlier in the topic that the third case usually has nothing to do with the rest of the games plot. That definitely seems like the case here.
- Guessing the killer stepped in the victims footprints behind him, or used Maxs flying trick to get close enough to kill him. I absolutely swear to God, you have to trust me on this, that I wrote that sentence after Gumshoe showed me the photo but before Phoenix thought of Max flying.
- The ringmaster must have been really concerned about his skin Very metrosexual. Wow, Maya, okay. Disregarding that, whered you even learn that term in your tiny Japanese village two hours outside of LA?
- Maya, I dont know if you get to laugh at a ventriloquist being named Woodman in a world where everyone has a pun name.
- Moe is quickly in the running for most unbearable character.
- No orange juice is stored in wine bottle form, game.
- Jesus Christ, a late video return joke. Talk about things that didnt age well.
- Dont overdo it, Maya. You dont want to end up a muscle woman. Sometimes this game
- So theres a love triangle between Regina, Max, and Bens puppet. Im going to say Trilo proposed to her, the father got in the way, and either Regina or Ben killed him. But theres also the chance that its Moe. So basically Ive narrowed down no suspects.
- I have to say that this is already my least favorite case so far. Its wacky, and not in the same way the rest of the game is. The characters are also all super irritating.

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Fair enough, then.

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LeonhartFour posted...

You have Apollo Justice, the two Edgeworth games, and then the two most recent AA games

Why did they replace Phoenix as the protagonist, anyway?

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Paratroopa1 posted...

It's her face pushing through it

Well I got that, but it looks like an angry ghost face.

LeonhartFour posted...

The anime actually provides this, which is one reason I think it's a good adaptation.

I'm actually shocked by this.

LeonhartFour posted...

Just in case the nurse got belligerent, which would have meant R.I.P. Maya but whatever.

I guess he didn't expect it to be quite so easy to get her to sign the confession or at least he prepared for the worst.

I guess that's good enough, thanks.

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Actually, wait, did they explain why the doctor brought a gun? I don't remember.

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