Board 8 > Anagram Aces Ace Attorney: A Phoenix Wright Playthrough Topic (spoilers)

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also 2-4's title being "Farewell, My Turnabout" becomes more clever in hindsight because Phoenix doesn't get a Not Guilty verdict this time

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Guilty is probably the best decision to make in a blind run, but I love the dialogue for Not Guilty so much more ("As always, the defense pleads NOT GUILTY!"), and it pays off what Mia says about the situation at the beginning of the trial day where your two options for the happy ending are to either end De Killer's relationship with Engarde, or to make Engarde desire a guilty verdict. Only Not Guilty results in both conditions being met.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Guilty is probably the best decision to make in a blind run, but I love the dialogue for Not Guilty so much more ("As always, the defense pleads NOT GUILTY!"), and it pays off what Mia says about the situation at the beginning of the trial day where your two options for the happy ending are to either end De Killer's relationship with Engarde, or to make Engarde desire a guilty verdict. Only Not Guilty results in both conditions being met.

Yeah, I like saying "not guilty" here because of how well it fits with Mia's line there

I also like the resulting dialogue of Not Guilty better, just saying why I picked Guilty my first time through.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I picked Guilty just to make 100% sure Adrian didn't get executed cuz who fuckin knows in this universe!

This was why I picked it the first time too. I assumed that Not Guilty for Matt meant Guilty for Adrian, and I couldn't sit with that.

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Time for the third and final game of the topic.

Episode 1: Turnabout Memories
- Its five years earlier We open up with Phoenix perhaps having killed a man. Dun dun dun?! We play as Mia, counseled by Grossberg. On the first line of dialogue, I flip to the case file and check out the characters. Obviously Dahlia is the killer because she has those faux-nice girl eyes. One detail I like is how Mias lawyer badge has a different description than Phoenixs and is written much more professionally.
- Oh man, a flashback within a flashback, okay. Mia is like my last trial traumatized me a lot, so I quit, but I guess now Im back or whatever.
- I love Winston Paynes greaser hair.
- Its actually really nice to get a case that lets you see Mia in action with a bunch of sprites similar to Phoenixs.
- This is a terrible tutorial for someone who hasnt played the previous games. No one even told me how to press the Q button. How am I supposed to knowwwwwHoH
- I like how everyone fawns over Dahlia except Mia. Thats similar to what happened with April May, but its more in-depth here and has special music, which makes it funnier.
- Jesus Christ, a milkshake brings all the boys to the yard reference?
- The Great Judgini, huh?
- Youve really lit a fire in my stomach and my buttocks! I can hardly tell which is more inflamed, my spirit or my hemorrhoids!
- Ah, the extremely rare I dare you legal maneuver, one of my favorites. The last time I saw it used was on Deep Space 9 when Kira tried to get Dukat to eat an arsenic pill to prove his willingness to eat arsenic.
- Jesus Christ, Mia,
all you have to do is ask for the pills to be tested in a crime lab, you dont have to keep double dog daring everyone you meet.
- Winston Paynes hair exploding away is pretty good.
- So, Mias boyfriend was murdered by Phoenixs girlfriend slipping poison into his coffee, and Dahlia swears revenge for getting caught? Interesting. Im sure this wont come up later at all.
- You know, Im willing to let you retcon Phoenix into meeting Mia as a client, thats fine. Ill even let slide the idea that Phoenix was an art student before becoming a lawyer even though we know he wanted to be a lawyer from age 8 and has never expressed interest in art in the first two games. But shut up, theres no way you can justify Grossberg and Phoenix not recognizing each other in the first game. Ill let it go because I understand thats how it has to go for the plot, but dont pretend it makes sense. If youre going to remake the game and add new stuff, why wouldnt you change their dialogue in the first game to Oh dude hey Grossberg, remember me?
- Overall, this is unquestionably the best tutorial from a story perspective, in that stuff is actually happening thats exciting, you have a villain whos interesting, the characters feel a bit more fleshed out and engaging, and the jokes land. Its also really nice to see Mia in action before she died. From a tutorial perspective, though, its really long and doesnt explain some of the mechanics.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7FyOE4iIFo

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Wait a second, I'm an idiot. Why didn't Maya or Pearl channel the ghosts of any of the victims since 1-3? I guess they weren't there for 2-1 and it wouldn't have helped in 2-3 or 2-4, but they couldn't have known that at the time!

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Anagram posted...

Wait a second, I'm an idiot. Why didn't Maya or Pearl channel the ghosts of any of the victims since 1-3? I guess they weren't there for 2-1 and it wouldn't have helped in 2-3 or 2-4, but they couldn't have known that at the time!

Because DL-6, I believe

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NFUN posted...

Because DL-6, I believe

Even if it's not admissible, it'd still be useful to say "Who killed you," dammit.

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Maya is kind of bad at it too

Pearls probably would be willing and able to channel whomever but narratives

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3-1 is really good. Best version of Payne, for sure, but the worst version of Phoenix. He's basically Larry Butz in a pink sweater. You can see why they were friends growing up.

But in my head canon, that's why Larry annoys Phoenix so much in the present. He reminds him of who he used to be and how Dahlia manipulated him.

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Young Mia is the best

Anagram posted...

- Jesus Christ, a milkshake brings all the boys to the yard reference?

I was playing FF14 today and there was a "laurel and yanny" reference. I think that one was dated the instant it was over!

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I'm playing these games for the first time as well. I own the initial trilogy on Switch. I just started 2.

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Leonhart4 posted...

3-1 is really good. Best version of Payne, for sure, but the worst version of Phoenix. He's basically Larry Butz in a pink sweater. You can see why they were friends growing up.

But in my head canon, that's why Larry annoys Phoenix so much in the present. He reminds him of who he used to be and how Dahlia manipulated him.

Wow, I really never considered that, not sure if they intended that but it's really interesting

NFUN posted...

Maya is kind of bad at it too

Man, at the point I'm at, we've only even seen her channel one person ever.

Leonhart4 posted...

3-1 is really good. Best version of Payne, for sure, but the worst version of Phoenix. He's basically Larry Butz in a pink sweater. You can see why they were friends growing up.

But in my head canon, that's why Larry annoys Phoenix so much in the present. He reminds him of who he used to be and how Dahlia manipulated him.

That's genius, but I don't know how much they intended any of that.

LordoftheMorons posted...

I was playing FF14 today and there was a "laurel and yanny" reference. I think that one was dated the instant it was over!

Video games referencing things is always risky.

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Anagram posted...

Man, at the point I'm at, we've only even seen her channel one person ever.

There's a reason for that! it's because she's kind of bad at it

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She is still in training after all!

And I doubt my Larry interpretation was the original intention because Takumi didn't write AA1 with the prospect of a sequel, which is why T&T kind of contradicts some stuff that happened there. We never hear Phoenix say or think anything of the kind, but it just makes sense in my head.

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Just went back and did the Angel Starr lunchboxes achievement with the help of a guide. Some of the requirements to see all of the boxes are kind of dumb.

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Anagram posted...

Just went back and did the Angel Starr lunchboxes achievement with the help of a guide. Some of the requirements to see all of the boxes are kind of dumb.

Yeah, that one is difficult to get on your own. Most of the trophies/achievements for PW Trilogy are pretty straightforward, but there are a couple of tricky ones.

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Anagram posted...

- You know, Im willing to let you retcon Phoenix into meeting Mia as a client, thats fine. Ill even let slide the idea that Phoenix was an art student before becoming a lawyer even though we know he wanted to be a lawyer from age 8 and has never expressed interest in art in the first two games. But shut up, theres no way you can justify Grossberg and Phoenix not recognizing each other in the first game. Ill let it go because I understand thats how it has to go for the plot, but dont pretend it makes sense. If youre going to remake the game and add new stuff, why wouldnt you change their dialogue in the first game to Oh dude hey Grossberg, remember me?

Honestly, I forget that Grossberg was even in this case most of the time, despite the mental image of his hemorrhoids doing the Harlem Shake. I could completely buy into Phoenix forgetting his feeble extisence and only remembering Mia's defense, especially when you consider he's going to be actively repressing this case in the next few years.

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Speaking of the Harlem Shake, the translators never could have guessed how relevant it would become by 2014...

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Yeah I was gonna say, doesn't he make that Harlem Shake reference before Harlem Shake became a really big meme? that's really fucking weird, they actually predicted that reference aging well sort of (except by 2019, when AA3 actually happens, the meme is outdated lol)

Theres one ref that Anagram hasnt gotten to that aged really well! (a word Colbert coined)

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This is making me want to replay the series again. So damn good

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Theres one ref that Anagram hasnt gotten to that aged really well! (a word Colbert coined)

Two IMO
An iconic line from a 2007 movie and its trailer

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So I thought of something while showering. Grossberg says it's the defense's job to find the contradictions in witness testimonies even if it's the defendant (which is insane, of course). In the Edgeworth games where you're the prosecutor, do you still do the cross-examination?

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Anagram posted...

So I thought of something while showering. Grossberg says it's the defense's job to find the contradictions in witness testimonies even if it's the defendant (which is insane, of course). In the Edgeworth games where you're the prosecutor, do you still do the cross-examination?

There aren't traditional trials in the Edgeworth games. You investigate the crime and the court equivalent sections are basically just arguments with other investigators or suspects.

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Sort of. You aren't in court so it's construed as a rebuttal to their argument, but it's functionally the same thing.
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Anagram posted...

In the Edgeworth games where you're the prosecutor, do you still do the cross-examination?

Well, you don't actually play the court segments as Edgeworth. Everything takes place during investigations, but you have "Arguments" and "Rebuttals" between Edgeworth and the witnesses, which are functionally the same thing.

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Oh, that's kind of weird. I always just assumed that Edgeworth's job was the same as Phoenix's, investigating and then arguing in court. If you're arguing with people outside of court, then how are they convicted afterwards?

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Anagram posted...

Oh, that's kind of weird. I always just assumed that Edgeworth's job was the same as Phoenix's, investigating and then arguing in court. If you're arguing with people outside of court, then how are they convicted afterwards?

It's basically assumed that Edgeworth owns them in court afterward. There's one case that explicitly shows Edgeworth right after a trial of someone he caught during the investigation.

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LeonhartFour posted...

It's basically assumed that Edgeworth owns them in court afterward. There's one case that explicitly shows Edgeworth right after a trial of someone he caught during the investigation.

I'll have to assume it works well in context. I'll probably get to them eventually, but I'm not going beyond the Steam games for now.

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Episode 2: The Stolen Turnabout
- We begin with a mysterious masked thief stealing something a safe, and Gumshoe being made to look like a fool when he realizes whats happened.
- Later, Maya and Pearl are like lets go to the museum thats having a Kurain Village exhibit. Why would a city two hours away from Kurain Village have an exhibit about it? Shut up.
- Adrian Andrews is here. Apparently shes a museum curator, which sounds like a perfectly likely job for someone who was involved in planting evidence at a murder a year ago.
- The next day, we learn on TV that the famous thief, Mask DeMasque stole the Kurain Sacred Urn. Maya is very upset that someone took broken urn that was so unremarkable that they left it on an unattended pillar in a hallway accessible by eight year-olds.
- Oh man, will this case be about a theft instead of a murder? Is that even allowed?
- Mask DeMasque surrenders to Gumshoe, then requests to meet with Phoenix specifically. We go to the detention center and meet Ron DeLite, who definitely does not have Princess Leia hair. Hes like I lost the urn lol.
- But then his wife is like No dude, hes just deluding himself into thinking he did it, hes really just a boring guy. I also like how Phoenix refuses to violate the guys privacy by reading a letter he has without a reason, as if hes ever respected anyones privacy ever.
- Morgan Fey is in isolation in prison? That seems a bit extreme.
- Man, everyone sure is nonchalant about letting a little kid run around on her own. This particular little kid barely even knows anything about cities, too!
- Its amusing how Adrians personality has done a 180.
- I was about to say that its absurd that Phoenix has to give a psyche-lock tutorial to Maya, but then I realized it is Maya, so okay.
- Atmey says he can identify thieves by the shapes of their foreheads, huh. Im gonna level with you, the last thing I expected to find in this game was phrenology.
- She chose Hollywood over me! Dude, its only a thirty-minute drive, I dont see the problem.
- Youre 26 years old, huh? Dont think its time you took a long, hard look at your life? Aw, no, Larry, shut up, shut up, shut up
- Atmey tells us about the famous Godot. Ive been waiting for him. Aw yeahhhhh 1950s French political stage play references, thatll get me in good with Board 8.
- So Edgeworth is abroad again, huh?

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his name is a reference to it

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Anagram posted...

- Adrian Andrews is here. Apparently shes a museum curator, which sounds like a perfectly likely job for someone who was involved in planting evidence at a murder a year ago.

That she's not in prison is the truly remarkable thing.

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Anagram posted...

- Atmey says he can identify thieves by the shapes of their foreheads, huh. Im gonna level with you, the last thing I expected to find in this game was phrenology.

There will be more Forehead talk in later games.

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Underleveled posted...

There will be more Forehead talk in later games.

unfortunately

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NFUN posted...

unfortunately

Nah, it's amusing.

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NFUN posted...

his name is a reference to it

I mean, I get it. There's only one famous Godot.

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Many people spend their lives waiting for him to appear.

Anagram posted...

- I was about to say that its absurd that Phoenix has to give a psyche-lock tutorial to Maya, but then I realized it is Maya, so okay.

Well, technically she wasn't there when Pearl powered it up and Phoenix never bothered to explain it to Maya during 2-3!

Anagram posted...

I also like how Phoenix refuses to violate the guys privacy by reading a letter he has without a reason, as if hes ever respected anyones privacy ever.

it's just the game's way of refusing to let you examine something that would be way too important on day 1

they did it during 2-3 too when Phoenix refused to take a slip of paper out of the Ringmaster's tailcoat that had the "TO THE MURDERER" note on it

but yeah Phoenix's arbitrary ethics can be weird that way

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Underleveled posted...

Nah, it's amusing.

The first eight times, maybe. Then it gets old

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LeonhartFour posted...

it's just the game's way of refusing to let you examine something that would be way too important on day 1

they did it during 2-3 too when Phoenix refused to take a slip of paper out of the Ringmaster's tailcoat that had the "TO THE MURDERER" note on it

I remember that, I was going to point it out but then forgot to.

LeonhartFour posted...

Well, technically she wasn't there when Pearl powered it up and Phoenix never bothered to explain it to Maya during 2-3!

I meant more in the sense that people generally know how their own magic items work.

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Actually, is it always the same judge in every game, including the ones without Phoenix?

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Anagram posted...

Actually, is it always the same judge in every game, including the ones without Phoenix?

The Judge appears in every mainline AA game, yes.

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What if I needed to get us to 500 so I could make a new topic?

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I'd have to make three useless posts, wouldn't I?

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New topic
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78317386

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