Lurker > Corrik7

Lopen posted...

Do you shoot if I want if I get lynched?

Yes

I could agree to that Lopen but then I have to vote for you today.

Lopen posted...

I'll claim if you shoot who I want tomorrow

Hmmmm.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If you have a shot tomorrow, for the love of all things keep it in your pants for a bit.

Nope

Lopen if you claim I'll vote who you want with you. If not, I vote you. Your choice.

Nvm I see them

Votals

I cant tell if Lopen actually believes the stuff he says every game lol

Enchantress posted...

I've seen the errors of my no lynching ways. What do you think of our mutual pal Lopen?

Kill them all.

Enchantress posted...

It's difficult to fully commit to the "see you day two life" when Ulti keeps saying inaccurate things. Perhaps that was the 4D level tactic all along, but I was not mislynched for inactivity when I was miller. I was mislynched for not claiming Miller in my first post, Ulti was explicit about this many, many times. After all, I was a major contributor to the only scum who died in that entire mafia game. When my posts are always ignored and my wins are immediately forgotten, who can really blame a gal for not posting D1 when met with so many very different irritating stale boring arguments.

It's always hard to tell what's scum inconsistency and what's just baseline insanity, with Ulti specifically, but it could be a fabricated reason to not go after me even if you're the SCUM IS ALWAYS INACTIVE KILL THE SCUM NOT THE TALKY MAN king.

I'm more worried about Lopen though. He started off decently with his whole "Voting no lynch isn't Lea's personality, could be low energy from GF being shot, etc". But as I petulently lurked, repelled by truly dull arguments about no lynching, I saw Lopen came to my defense. Struck me as out of character.

Knightz, Chang, Kirby, Ben, Corrik, all reliably town. I'd say more but my kids have wrestling, you know how it is. I ask you respect my pacifist no lynch beliefs. Sure it may be traditionally risk averse and boring, but it's also never been done before. We can all get along as friends

Baseball game today

And so the bubble was burst.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Voting for No Lynch =/= Not Looking for scum.

I'm still looking for scum, and I have some thoughts, but I'm not willing to VOTE on those thoughts today. I'm just an uninformed member of town, my thoughts are often wrong. The strategy to mitigate risk is more important than my thoughts on who might be scum.

Then you should never vote any game ever.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Who says?

I will absolutely try to lynch people starting day 2.

But if you're lynching me to try to find scum yourself then you are doing it wrong.

I will absolutely try to lynch scum day 2. Might as well say I will absolutely try to lynch scum day 7. No reason town isn't trying to lynch scum every day.

NL is a fallback for we have no good options and running out of time. Not a do nothing the entire day and don't try to find scum.

Guys we are lynching FeliciaDragon. All aboard.

So be it. Won't claim and won't try to lynch scum. The gods have spoken.

##unvote:
##vote: FD

Bye, Felicia.

Lopen posted...

You're almost never active as town.

You're usually more active as anti-town.

Don't care about vig game specifically unless you had infinite shots

I claimed to have infinite shots.

Lopen posted...

I mean I can't be the only one seeing this

Town Corrik
- Doesn't care to post this much if he can just kill things (or in general, really)
- Would actually try to hit scum not "anti-town"

It all just feels like a convenient excuse to railroad his shots the next 3 days and get no suspicions for it

I've been vig one other time. I shot the SK in the first 20 posts of the game. And was very active that game. So, tell me where your nonsense of I would do so and so or whatever you are babbling comes from.

I was the Green Arrow that game.

Lopen posted...

Your anti-NL feels like a show to path a bunch of shots and have no accountability for it.

You're also talking way more than I'd expect you to if you could just kill at your leisure.

I don't trust you at all. You're scum at worst SK at best I think.

Then you should be voting me if I am only scum or sk.

MZero posted...

Why Kirby over FD?

Cuz FD is trying to conjure up some massive stupidity for his reasoning to try and do something completely logically unsound. And I know there is only one reason I would do the same as town.

Kirby isn't even trying.

But tbqh they all could burn in the depths of the nether for all I care if they aren't gonna start trying to find scum

Lopen posted...

I'd sooner vote you than Kirby

I'd also sooner NL than Kirby

You have no reason to have that thinking.

Lopen posted...

Kirby is a hard no from me

Ctes or Death pretty much it atm

You will vote Kirby. He will claim and get off NL or die.

Obellisk posted...

Corrik it's still technically Day 1. I don't think we need to dispatch the town traitors just yet. But whomever is your strongest scum read I'd be happy to push with you

I don't like Ben right now for reasons and red is being nefarious. Lopen isn't being his town self.

But, the NL wackos deserve mighty consideration.

Vote Kirby. Let's get rid of these NL punks. Scum or worst... town traitors.

Obellisk posted...

it'll be really funny when we special the town cop in the last 5 minutes of the day because 95% of Day 1 was spent arguing over No Lynch.

Be real funny when the cop gets shot at night when everyone wanted to NL to get a scan.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I know I'm not scum, but I don't know that i won't be lynched. Why would I remove myself from the potential lynch pool? I know my PERSONAL vote wont go on me, but that doesn't mean shit if 8 others do.

And yes, our chance of successfully lynching scum tomorrow is also low because there are always less scum than town, but no one is saying to NL day 2 so why are you bringing it up?

Day 2 is not Day 1.

This is day 2. We lynched scum day 1 and everyone forgot to put their actions in at night. Okay welcome to day 2. Now find scum or die.

Oh and my odds neglect that you yourself should know you aren't scum.

So the 4/15 should be 4/14 28.6% chance and 3/11 27.3% chance. So 1.3% difference. Even less. Like give me a tucking break

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Exactly, and not only that, but if she scans someone innocent then that creates a 1 in whatever chance that she actually prevents a mislynch on day 2 straight away by happening to have information on an innocent person who starts to get sus.

But hey, you guys do the regular thing and apply pressure on a bunch of different people today and force claims and switch pressure and force more claims and then be surprised pikachu face when multiple important town roles get outed, all to chase the low% chance of the day 1 scum lynch.

We shouldn't lynch scum tomorrow either then either since the %s are low! Wahhh.

Someone explain to me how the %a are lower now than a normal day 1. Seriously.

Let's say it was 4/15. Though I maintain 5/15 remains possible with you know the INFO we have from the scum role message.

But let's say 4/15.

27% chance of hitting scum. He wouldn't have been on board with NL then.

But now we have a dead scum. And we know Corrik and itz are town.

So now it's 3/12. 25%

What is really the statistical difference here. 1.67%?

We are going to entirely change our playstyles over a ducking 1.67% difference in odds.

And you can increase that percentage more by pressuring people and getting info to narrow it down further to even higher percentages. Maybe play mafia to find scum and increase the odds instead of acting like you rng roll your lynches.

We know multiple things. A rolecop existed for scum and it was a doubled role. Thus, likely not low power game. Godfather so cop is likely for town. No claimed miller.

Scum can't use regular kills on odd nights.

We have a lot of info to pressure people going forward. Not withstanding we have a host confirmed gig. And a relatively confirmed inventor claim.

You have the ability to force claims and start figuring out what fits and doesn't.

ItzKnightz posted...

Kirby has been nothing but nice this entire game, Ulti can vouch for him. Point is that he has not gone after someone at all this game.

Lmfao when he uses what should be scum reasoning to call someone town.

We should just lynch someone now. If the NL people didn't wanna play the game, that's their choice. We shouldn't let them suck the air out of the game by giving everyone an excuse to not try and force information to find scum.

Lopen posted...

Kirby is probably town and a bad shot

Also all his antitown behavior is over after today. No point in shooting him for antitown unless you're pretty sure he's scum

Luckily it is my choice and not yours.

Kirby321 posted...

That's incredibly lazy. But sure, whatever. Shoot me tomorrow and my blood is on your hands and yours alone.

I mean, you're just gonna call me a bad player when I flip town rather than take any accountability for your own actions, but you do you fam :P

Probably

Kirby321 posted...

Genuine question, Corrik: what's the scum equity in pushing for a NL?

Given that scum is down a member, wouldn't it be better for scum if more townies ended up dying? The odds of town getting lynched today are astronomically higher than scum getting lynched. So why would scum push for NL when the odds of them lynching town is super likely?

I just don't see the logic there. Call it anti-town, sure, but scummy? That makes zero sense.

I said one of you 3 are scum and the rest anti-town. Better to kill you all as you serve no point to finding scum/are the scum.

If the scum team can only do regular night kills on even days and has let's say 2 extra shots for odd.

The likelihood is there is 5 scum (barring 3p). Which increased odds on shooting day 1.

2 extra shots
5-10
Mislynch night 1 extra shot Odd
5-8
Mislynch night 2 regular shot Even
5-6
Misfire or mislynch is game. So this is likely not correct for 2 extra shots. Would have to be 1 extra shot.

1 extra shot
5-10
Mislynch extra shot odd
5-8
Mislynch regular shot even
5-6
Misfire or mislynch game over. Still unlikely.

No extra shots
5-10
Mislynch no extra shot odd
5-9
Mislynch regular shot even
5-7
Mislynch no extra shot
5-6. (Can only lose here if vig shoots wrong)

So if there is no shot tonight I think we are looking at a 5 man scum team.

If there is a shot tonight, 4 man is likely, whether its a sk or scum extra shot.

Lopen posted...

Why insist on lynching Kirby when Lea has 2 votes

I really don't care which.

As of now the best course of action is to lynch Kirby today, I'll shot FD tomorrow, and we lynch Lea tomorrow. There is scum here and the others are anti-town at best anyways.

ItzKnightz posted...

Let's just play it safe Corrik. Instead of testing our luck

No

htaeD posted...

Corrik why even say this?

I mean to be honest I totally bought his explanation that he was already preparing a mafia game of his own.

So he would claim

ItzKnightz posted...

I'm not a Cop, I'm a Clother

Thank you

ItzKnightz posted...

Well if you're town, why are you acting like scum?

Be less annoying. You already claimed cop unironically and scum already knows. You are gonna be roleblocked tonight and get no info so maybe try and find scum to play the game you signed up for.

You also conveniently know I am town to make today even easier.

Kirby321 posted...

FD is talking sense.

I feel like players here way overestimate scum night actions. They're only scary when scum has the necessary info to optimize usage of those actions.

Meanwhile, town powers usually excel in environments where there's limited info. Every time town has given up way more information than they should have, scum has been able to capitalize on it.

Furthermore, people keep saying D1 info is valuable and so we should lynch, but I can't recall a game in recent memory where players have actually gone back to reread D1 and found strong evidence to accurately convict scum. It's far likelier that players just don't bother ISOing or going back to reread and instead just vote based on info that's readily in their faces.

Especially as the game goes on where the people who would go back and reread are likely dead or scum.

NL is lame, but "we get lots of info out of D1" is an overrated take imo. Corrik shot scum. Let's just take our lucky victory and play it safe.

If you lynch scum, you are even further ahead. If you mislynch, you have 3-4 flips to make a better informed lynch tomorrow.

We will wait til 8 hour before deadline and launch 3 lynch trains and then lynch a completely different entity than the 3 in the last 5 minutes. In fact, if everyone wants to afk until 8 hours til deadline, it would be allowed. I'll shoot only from the no lynch pile tomorrow if you people continue that nonsense.

Kirby321 posted...

For a newbie to Mafia, you're surprisingly knowledgeable.

Where did you learn about Cops?

On the scum board.

Kirby321 posted...

But... we just killed scum.

If we NL today that's basically the same as lynching scum D1. Why add to the body count with the corpse of a town?

The point is more information.

changmas posted...

aside from corrik who i imagine will be protected tonight, i dont consider anyone else to be a clear n1 target so i think its likely they go fishing for power

Why protect me? Surely I was just lucky and tomorrow I'll shoot town since I can't possibly remain so lucky.

Also, scum can't kill tonight and can only use their extra kill tonight if the choose while the sk shoots.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We're probably looking at 4 vs 11. Possibly a very very strong 3 vs 12 (unlikely). 3 vs 11 after the godfather flip.

Probably 2ish info roles in town that can no longer be foiled by GF. Let them cook

Probably looking at a SK on odd nights and a scum team that can only shoot on even nights. Thus, the scum numbers are different based upon they can only actually lower the pool half the days and a SK and vig can shoot them.

Also one scum is a BP.

You guys lynch every single day 1. Today you have literally not a single downside to lynch as I already netted a scum to offset a potential mislynch. You keep the pool of hitting scum with scans and such just as low as you do at just lynching scum outright. There is even less downside lynching today than a normal day 1 by being already extremely ahead. Stop being dumb. I can't carry you all forever.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Then I guess I'm dumb

We know

No lynch is literally dumb.