Board 8 > Toy Story Mafia Topic 1: A Poisoned Waterhole

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Lopen posted...

What?

If the idea was that the 2 and 2 don't know each other, then I guess thw theory works? But I didn't initially understand if that was the idea.

Corrik7 posted...

No lynch is literally dumb.

you're batting 1000 right now. Where would shot two go if you had one (assuming you dont)

Corrik7 posted...

No lynch is literally dumb.

No, Trying for hitting a scum is almost impossible. There are more Town then Scum. That makes it so there is a higher chance we might hit someone with a valuable role and we lose because we might hit a vigilante or a cop. You almost sound like scum yourself.

ItzKnightz posted...

No, Trying for hitting a scum is almost impossible.

speaking to the guy that first post shot scum in the fucking face.

Obellisk posted...

speaking to the guy that first post shot scum in the fucking face.

He was lucky, based on numbers we have a lower chance at winning if we go for lynch. The only way this would work if 2 or less Town remain out of 3 people total

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Then I guess I'm dumb

Luckily you're only literally dumb, which as we know holds less weight thanks to overuse

Obellisk posted...

you read the flip that said scum can only shoot on even nights?

I meant to start that sentence with a 'usually'
Numerically ate it

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Then I guess I'm dumb

We know

ItzKnightz posted...

He was lucky, based on numbers we have a lower chance at winning if we go for lynch. The only way this would work if 2 or less Town remain out of 3 people total

When should we swap from No lynch to try and lynch someone?

You guys lynch every single day 1. Today you have literally not a single downside to lynch as I already netted a scum to offset a potential mislynch. You keep the pool of hitting scum with scans and such just as low as you do at just lynching scum outright. There is even less downside lynching today than a normal day 1 by being already extremely ahead. Stop being dumb. I can't carry you all forever.

changmas posted...

When should we swap from No lynch to try and lynch someone?

Once we have more info about how people are acting and if any Cops can find out information overnight, its one of the only ways we could win without killing Town.

Poor Corrik, shoots scum and then people try to go for NL because of it against his wishes

Lea would never subscribe to this cowardly course of action.

Send her

changmas posted...

##Unvote

Why'd you unvote?

changmas posted...

When should we swap from No lynch to try and lynch someone?

I know this wasn't directed at me but I'll answer for myself anyways.

I just think that we're in a position today where we can afford to give town power, whoever they may be, a measure of safety.

And we can go back to lynching tomorrow where even if we force a power claim they will have at least a single night action to provide.

Better than an alternative reality where we force an important power to claim today and they eat an unblockable bullet tonight.

Lopen posted...

Lea would never subscribe to this cowardly course of action.

Send her

I did think her NL vote without comment was odd, but I'd still prefer to NL

ItzKnightz posted...

Why'd you unvote?

i was never truly committed to voting no lynch for the long haul. i just wanted to see what sort of traction we could get.

corrik is clearly very invested in this game which is a great sign for his alignment. And the whole situation (not necessarily my involvement at all) drew Lea out who has been oddly quiet this game.

Plus youre starting to think more critically about game strategy, which is good!

My thoughts on no lynch day 1: There is never a scenario where I'll support it. To me, the data gathered day 1 is much more important than the flip itself. Making people work with no information to go off but their reads can reveal so much.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I know this wasn't directed at me but I'll answer for myself anyways.

I just think that we're in a position today where we can afford to give town power, whoever they may be, a measure of safety.

And we can go back to lynching tomorrow where even if we force a power claim they will have at least a single night action to provide.

Better than an alternative reality where we force an important power to claim today and they eat an unblockable bullet tonight.

how likely do you think it is that scum can read town power well enough to hit at least one with a kill (if they can kill on odd nights too) or at least a timely roleblock?

We're probably looking at 4 vs 11. Possibly a very very strong 3 vs 12 (unlikely). 3 vs 11 after the godfather flip.

Probably 2ish info roles in town that can no longer be foiled by GF. Let them cook

changmas posted...

how likely do you think it is that scum can read town power well enough to hit at least one with a kill (if they can kill on odd nights too) or at least a timely roleblock?

changmas posted...

how likely do you think it is that scum can read town power well enough to hit at least one with a kill (if they can kill on odd nights too) or at least a timely roleblock?

I think their chances go WAY up if town power claims today.

aside from corrik who i imagine will be protected tonight, i dont consider anyone else to be a clear n1 target so i think its likely they go fishing for power

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We're probably looking at 4 vs 11. Possibly a very very strong 3 vs 12 (unlikely). 3 vs 11 after the godfather flip.

Probably 2ish info roles in town that can no longer be foiled by GF. Let them cook

Probably looking at a SK on odd nights and a scum team that can only shoot on even nights. Thus, the scum numbers are different based upon they can only actually lower the pool half the days and a SK and vig can shoot them.

Also one scum is a BP.

htaeD posted...

Numerically its a bad idea, since scum always gets a chance to do whatever they please at night and town only has so many chances to kill scum.

But... we just killed scum.

If we NL today that's basically the same as lynching scum D1. Why add to the body count with the corpse of a town?

changmas posted...

aside from corrik who i imagine will be protected tonight, i dont consider anyone else to be a clear n1 target so i think its likely they go fishing for power

Why protect me? Surely I was just lucky and tomorrow I'll shoot town since I can't possibly remain so lucky.

Also, scum can't kill tonight and can only use their extra kill tonight if the choose while the sk shoots.

Kirby321 posted...

But... we just killed scum.

If we NL today that's basically the same as lynching scum D1. Why add to the body count with the corpse of a town?

The point is more information.

ItzKnightz posted...

Once we have more info about how people are acting and if any Cops can find out information overnight, its one of the only ways we could win without killing Town.

For a newbie to Mafia, you're surprisingly knowledgeable.

Where did you learn about Cops?

Kirby321 posted...

For a newbie to Mafia, you're surprisingly knowledgeable.

Where did you learn about Cops?

On the scum board.

and Ill cap off my argument to FD by saying that in theory its more likely that scum can identify at least one town power tonight with whatever theyve got than it is than the scenario where town lynching the most suspicious person ends up being town power

Ah right the even night thing.

Scum could also have extra or special kills that can be used on odd nights? Only that the 'regular' scum kill can only be used on even nights is how I interpreted it.

But we don't have to solve the entire game today.

or forcing a claim by threatening a lynch. you know what i mean.

Kirby321 posted...

For a newbie to Mafia, you're surprisingly knowledgeable.

Where did you learn about Cops?

I googled it because I was creating my own mafia

We will wait til 8 hour before deadline and launch 3 lynch trains and then lynch a completely different entity than the 3 in the last 5 minutes. In fact, if everyone wants to afk until 8 hours til deadline, it would be allowed. I'll shoot only from the no lynch pile tomorrow if you people continue that nonsense.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I know this wasn't directed at me but I'll answer for myself anyways.

I just think that we're in a position today where we can afford to give town power, whoever they may be, a measure of safety.

And we can go back to lynching tomorrow where even if we force a power claim they will have at least a single night action to provide.

Better than an alternative reality where we force an important power to claim today and they eat an unblockable bullet tonight.

FD is talking sense.

I feel like players here way overestimate scum night actions. They're only scary when scum has the necessary info to optimize usage of those actions.

Meanwhile, town powers usually excel in environments where there's limited info. Every time town has given up way more information than they should have, scum has been able to capitalize on it.

Furthermore, people keep saying D1 info is valuable and so we should lynch, but I can't recall a game in recent memory where players have actually gone back to reread D1 and found strong evidence to accurately convict scum. It's far likelier that players just don't bother ISOing or going back to reread and instead just vote based on info that's readily in their faces.

Especially as the game goes on where the people who would go back and reread are likely dead or scum.

NL is lame, but "we get lots of info out of D1" is an overrated take imo. Corrik shot scum. Let's just take our lucky victory and play it safe.

Kirby321 posted...

But... we just killed scum.

If we NL today that's basically the same as lynching scum D1. Why add to the body count with the corpse of a town?

Already covered this

And Corrik is also right in that lynches provide more info than nolynches.

Kirby321 posted...

FD is talking sense.

I feel like players here way overestimate scum night actions. They're only scary when scum has the necessary info to optimize usage of those actions.

Meanwhile, town powers usually excel in environments where there's limited info. Every time town has given up way more information than they should have, scum has been able to capitalize on it.

Furthermore, people keep saying D1 info is valuable and so we should lynch, but I can't recall a game in recent memory where players have actually gone back to reread D1 and found strong evidence to accurately convict scum. It's far likelier that players just don't bother ISOing or going back to reread and instead just vote based on info that's readily in their faces.

Especially as the game goes on where the people who would go back and reread are likely dead or scum.

NL is lame, but "we get lots of info out of D1" is an overrated take imo. Corrik shot scum. Let's just take our lucky victory and play it safe.

If you lynch scum, you are even further ahead. If you mislynch, you have 3-4 flips to make a better informed lynch tomorrow.

changmas posted...

the scenario where town lynching the most suspicious person ends up being town power

This just feels patiently false. We out town power and have to pivot ALL the damn time. It's why the b8 special typically involves one or multiple brand new lynches forming in the final few minutes of the day, because claims come out and everyone pivots in unison forcing more and more claims.

I'd love to see a game where only 1 person claims day 1 and everyone just stays the course on their lynch and no crazy pivots occur.

You also conveniently know I am town to make today even easier.

Corrik7 posted...

If you lynch scum, you are even further ahead. If you mislynch, you have 3-4 flips to make a better informed lynch tomorrow.

In a vacuum, I agree.

But I'm gonna be blunt, I don't have faith in most players here to actually use that information toward an actual productive lynch on scum.

Corrik7 posted...

You also conveniently know I am town to make today even easier.

Well if you're town, why are you acting like scum?

I will say, I could be convinced to lynch Chang if y'all are adamant about lynching someone.

His arguments against the NL feel like they're being made in bad faith.

Corrik7 posted...

If you lynch scum, you are even further ahead. If you mislynch, you have 3-4 flips to make a better informed lynch tomorrow.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum WANTS town power to get outed today with their godfather dead. Don't take a course of action that might lead to this occurrence.

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We don't need home runs to win the game. Singles and doubles will do the trick as long as we aren't making unforced errors and thanks to your shot we're already ahead.

But now I've said as much as I can or want to in support of NL and church service has started. I'll be around again tonight.

ItzKnightz posted...

Well if you're town, why are you acting like scum?

Be less annoying. You already claimed cop unironically and scum already knows. You are gonna be roleblocked tonight and get no info so maybe try and find scum to play the game you signed up for.

ItzKnightz posted...

I googled it because I was creating my own mafia

Really? That's actually pretty cool, especially for someone just getting their toes wet. Were you planning on making a Mafia game for this board? Did you have a theme in mind?

Corrik7 posted...

Be less annoying. You already claimed cop unironically and scum already knows. You are gonna be roleblocked tonight and get no info so maybe try and find scum to play the game you signed up for.

I'm not a Cop, I'm a Clother

Kirby321 posted...

Really? That's actually pretty cool, especially for someone just getting their toes wet. Were you planning on making a Mafia game for this board? Did you have a theme in mind?

Yes, Among Us and the characters are the colors. IGCD and i were working on balancing it right before the game started.