Board 8 > Could Donkey Kong defeat Sans in a fight?

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rwlh 08/29/25 5:07:51 PM #1:	Which game has a better soundtrack? - Results (25 votes) Donkey Kong Country 2 44% (11 votes) 11 Undertale 56% (14 votes) 14 (big spoilers in this topic for Undertale, if that wasn't clear) Arguments for Sans: he's the toughest boss fight in the whole game, requiring precision reflexes he can attack with blisteringly fast bones and Gaster Blasters that fire laser beams he can inflict the "KARMA" status effect on opponents, sapping health over a period of time Arguments for DK: Sans is the easiest enemy. It says so in the game! DK is unlikely to be moved by Sans's calm, accusatory speeches about the weight of his sins if DK shoots Sans...Sans will dodge! But he can't dodge forever. Keep attacking. Last topic DK folded Magus into a tiny ball and kicked him away. Today we have an unconventional fight for sure, so unconventional that I have no idea how it would play out! Undertale enemy encounters play out like mini-shmup sequences in a tiny box. Sans is a very hard boss fight, but how does that translate into an actual fight? Does DK's SOUL get shunted into the encounter box? Does Sans have to perform in a real-time setting? I don't know. Maybe you do? Either way, somebody's going to have a bad time... Also last topic: the Chrono Trigger soundtrack is exactly twice as popular as the Donkey Kong Country soundtrack. How will it fare against a similarly beloved soundtrack today? <cite>rwlh posted [p:986245056] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote> Which game has a better soundtrack? - Results (25 votes) Donkey Kong Country 2 44% (11 votes) 11 Undertale 56% (14 votes) 14 Show Voting Form (big spoilers in this topic for Undertale, if that wasn't clear)Arguments for Sans:he's the toughest boss fight in the whole game, requiring precision reflexeshe can attack with blisteringly fast bones and Gaster Blasters that fire laser beamshe can inflict the "KARMA" status effect on opponents, sapping health over a period of timeArguments for DK:Sans is the easiest enemy. It says so in the game!DK is unlikely to be moved by Sans's calm, accusatory speeches about the weight of his sinsif DK shoots Sans...Sans will dodge! But he can't dodge forever. Keep attacking.Last topic DK folded Magus into a tiny ball and kicked him away. Today we have an unconventional fight for sure, so unconventional that I have no idea how it would play out! Undertale enemy encounters play out like mini-shmup sequences in a tiny box. Sans is a very hard boss fight, but how does that translate into an actual fight? Does DK's SOUL get shunted into the encounter box? Does Sans have to perform in a real-time setting? I don't know. Maybe you do? Either way, somebody's going to have a bad time...Also last topic: the Chrono Trigger soundtrack is exactly twice as popular as the Donkey Kong Country soundtrack. How will it fare against a similarly beloved soundtrack today?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 08/29/25 5:15:12 PM #2:	donkey kong solos --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:986245142] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>donkey kong solos </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 08/29/25 5:20:06 PM #3:	Sans decides not to take a turn, DK never gets a turn, DK isn't capable of the stealth required to sneak a turn in. Sans --- https://youtu.be/d2qp2scgc_4?si=7k54z8xFv75JQ9ya https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:986245185] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Sans decides not to take a turn, DK never gets a turn, DK isn't capable of the stealth required to sneak a turn in. Sans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 08/29/25 5:22:07 PM #4:	DK smashes. Can he deal with Sans' karmic barrages? No. But DK's karma is really quite clean. He has done some mischief but I don't think he has ever done something that would really raise his LoVE. Put Sans up against Luca Blight and I vote Sans without a second thought. Not so with a more heroic character. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:986245200] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>DK smashes.Can he deal with Sans' karmic barrages? No. But DK's karma is really quite clean. He has done some mischief but I don't think he has ever done something that would really raise his LoVE. Put Sans up against Luca Blight and I vote Sans without a second thought. Not so with a more heroic character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 08/29/25 5:30:51 PM #5:	I don't think Sans' attacks do damage based on karma. He's just hitting you. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:986245271] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Sans' attacks do damage based on karma. He's just hitting you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tazzyboyishere 08/29/25 5:35:45 PM #6:	The amount of damage done over time is based on Karma. DK is too pure of heart for Sans' attacks to do meaningful damage --- http://i.imgur.com/l7xxLh1.jpg PSN/Steam - RoboQuote ; NNID - TazzyMan <cite>tazzyboyishere posted [p:986245324] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>The amount of damage done over time is based on Karma. DK is too pure of heart for Sans' attacks to do meaningful damage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 08/29/25 5:41:45 PM #7:	Sans DK straight up cannot touch him. He's not a technical or sneaky hit kind of guy. Sans should be weaker against an evil person, because an evil person can withstand more karma stacks crushing them, but the main deciding factor on how much damage Sans is doing is how clean of a hit he's landing. His karma poison stacks every active frame you're in the attack, so the difference between just taking a hit or being grazed and moving out of the rest is like ten times the damage. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:986245389] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>SansDK straight up cannot touch him. He's not a technical or sneaky hit kind of guy. Sans should be weaker against an evil person, because an evil person can withstand more karma stacks crushing them, but the main deciding factor on how much damage Sans is doing is how clean of a hit he's landing. His karma poison stacks every active frame you're in the attack, so the difference between just taking a hit or being grazed and moving out of the rest is like ten times the damage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 08/29/25 5:42:31 PM #8:	I did not get that impression at all from the game. Like I don't think that's stated anywhere. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:986245398] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>I did not get that impression at all from the game. Like I don't think that's stated anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 08/29/25 5:47:31 PM #9:	KamikazePotato posted... I did not get that impression at all from the game. Like I don't think that's stated anywhere. [Neutral, 20-30 KR][4] KARMA coursing through your veins. [Neutral, 30-40 KR, though difficult to trigger due to the rate at which KR drains at this stage][4] Doomed to death of KARMA! --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:986245444] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>I did not get that impression at all from the game. Like I don't think that's stated anywhere.</quote><quote>[Neutral, 20-30 KR][4] KARMA coursing through your veins.[Neutral, 30-40 KR, though difficult to trigger due to the rate at which KR drains at this stage][4] Doomed to death of KARMA!</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 08/29/25 5:53:56 PM #10:	Those values are based on the amount of KARMA dots Sans applies to you with his attacks, and each attack does set amounts of KARMA per frame you're hit by it. You're more likely to survive 40 KARMA applied by Sans as a person with a high level of violence/evil than as a pacifist. It's an all caps KARMA the same way LOVE is Level of Violence instead of just love. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:986245494] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Those values are based on the amount of KARMA dots Sans applies to you with his attacks, and each attack does set amounts of KARMA per frame you're hit by it.You're more likely to survive 40 KARMA applied by Sans as a person with a high level of violence/evil than as a pacifist. It's an all caps KARMA the same way LOVE is Level of Violence instead of just love.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 08/29/25 5:55:37 PM #11:	KamikazePotato posted... I don't think Sans' attacks do damage based on karma. He's just hitting you. They certainly do. 'You feel your sins crawling on your back' is not metaphorical there. Sans is using the misdeeds you committed to hurt you. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:986245507] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>I don't think Sans' attacks do damage based on karma. He's just hitting you.</quote>They certainly do. 'You feel your sins crawling on your back' is not metaphorical there. Sans is using the misdeeds you committed to hurt you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 08/29/25 5:56:29 PM #12:	This Donkey Kong isn't the Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong, is it? Because Sans is a lot more effective against that one. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:986245512] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>This Donkey Kong isn't the Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong, is it? Because Sans is a lot more effective against that one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillordexdeath 08/29/25 5:58:01 PM #13:	Donkey Kong I don't know if any of Sans' meta tactics would be of much avail against DK. --- What says dunnock, drush, or dove? "Love me tender, tender love." <cite>Evillordexdeath posted [p:986245522] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Donkey KongI don't know if any of Sans' meta tactics would be of much avail against DK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 08/29/25 5:58:57 PM #14:	KJH posted... You're more likely to survive 40 KARMA applied by Sans as a person with a high level of violence/evil than as a pacifist. Okay but where is this shown? We never see Sans fight someone who isn't evil. I don't think just naming something KARMA is enough proof when Undertale gets cute with its naming all the time. A Google search about this turns up another thread of people arguing about this, lol Anyway Sans because even if we assume DK is completely immune to the poison effect, he's still getting tossed around by the physical attacks --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:986245531] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>KJH posted... </cite><quote>You're more likely to survive 40 KARMA applied by Sans as a person with a high level of violence/evil than as a pacifist.</quote>Okay but where is this shown? We never see Sans fight someone who isn't evil. I don't think just naming something KARMA is enough proof when Undertale gets cute with its naming all the time.A Google search about this turns up another thread of people arguing about this, lolAnyway Sans because even if we assume DK is completely immune to the poison effect, he's still getting tossed around by the physical attacks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 08/29/25 6:29:45 PM #15:	Mewtwo59 posted... This Donkey Kong isn't the Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong, is it? Because Sans is a lot more effective against that one. Should be DK Junior I assume. So he's rather more decent Cranky 'Original' Kong --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:986245768] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>This Donkey Kong isn't the Donkey Kong from Donkey Kong, is it? Because Sans is a lot more effective against that one.</quote>Should be DK Junior I assume. So he's rather more decent Cranky 'Original' Kong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 08/29/25 6:48:49 PM #16:	Wait are we theorizing Sans is only Uber powerful against evil people I dont think its that, hes just not motivated unless they are bad. but the former does make it fun against your favorite evil character --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:986245905] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Wait are we theorizing Sans is only Uber powerful against evil people I dont think its that, hes just not motivated unless they are bad.but the former does make it fun against your favorite evil character</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 08/29/25 7:02:54 PM #17:	Sans --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:986246016] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Sans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 08/29/25 7:12:36 PM #18:	If this is modern Donkey Kong he has still kidnapped Pauline and many Toads (Mario Vs Donkey Kong series) so he certainly can feel some effects from KARMA --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:986246095] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>If this is modern Donkey Kong he has still kidnapped Pauline and many Toads (Mario Vs Donkey Kong series) so he certainly can feel some effects from KARMA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 08/29/25 7:13:49 PM #19:	LiquidOshawott posted... Wait are we theorizing Sans is only Uber powerful against evil people I dont think its that, hes just not motivated unless they are bad. but the former does make it fun against your favorite evil character It's not really theorizing. Sans' KARMA speeds up its draining the more it stacks and it cannot stack past the max of a person's soul integrity, in pure mechanic terms. A pacifist will have less HP (representing determination to keep on fighting in Undertale) as a rule than someone hardened to violence and with a will to kill, and so they will stack up a lesser max amount of karma. It's complicated but the gist of it is if you're a goody two shoes and get hit by ten lasers you will end up at 1 HP and so will someone who's rotten and vile...but the second guy will end up there quicker, as their racked up karma will be more corrosive. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:986246107] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>LiquidOshawott posted... </cite><quote>Wait are we theorizing Sans is only Uber powerful against evil people I dont think its that, hes just not motivated unless they are bad.but the former does make it fun against your favorite evil character</quote>It's not really theorizing. Sans' KARMA speeds up its draining the more it stacks and it cannot stack past the max of a person's soul integrity, in pure mechanic terms. A pacifist will have less HP (representing determination to keep on fighting in Undertale) as a rule than someone hardened to violence and with a will to kill, and so they will stack up a lesser max amount of karma. It's complicated but the gist of it is if you're a goody two shoes and get hit by ten lasers you will end up at 1 HP and so will someone who's rotten and vile...but the second guy will end up there quicker, as their racked up karma will be more corrosive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 08/29/25 7:17:47 PM #20:	sans is too weird for vsbattles sorts of stuff --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:986246137] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>sans is too weird for vsbattles sorts of stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Meow1000 08/29/25 8:12:14 PM #21:	I legit don't see DK ever landing a hit and Sans just taunting him forever. But yeah what Hb said. All it is with him is "Do you think X character can hit him". --- Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104 Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience. <cite>Meow1000 posted [p:986246645] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>I legit don't see DK ever landing a hit and Sans just taunting him forever.But yeah what Hb said. All it is with him is "Do you think X character can hit him".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/29/25 8:57:11 PM #22:	Sans --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:986247039] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Sans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jcgamer107 08/29/25 11:43:36 PM #23:	I've played this battle in Smash and Sans --- azuarc wasn't even home. he was playing Magic the Gathering at his buddy's store, which is extremely easy to verify <cite>jcgamer107 posted [p:986248273] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>I've played this battle in Smash and Sans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 08/29/25 11:52:07 PM #24:	Sans is never getting hit. He does too much weird stuff for DK to react to, and ultimately will just refuse to let the battle proceed. At best, it's a draw. At worst, Sans solos. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. <cite>azuarc posted [p:986248327] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Sans is never getting hit. He does too much weird stuff for DK to react to, and ultimately will just refuse to let the battle proceed. At best, it's a draw. At worst, Sans solos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rwlh 08/30/25 5:11:30 AM #25:	up <cite>rwlh posted [p:986249799] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andylt 08/30/25 6:40:16 AM #26:	DK has been hoarding bananas for decades he is not an innocent soul --- Slowly becoming a Mega Man aficionado. <cite>andylt posted [p:986250074] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>DK has been hoarding bananas for decades he is not an innocent soul</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rwlh 08/30/25 9:39:44 AM #27:	I'm surprised DK's time slow hasn't come up yet re: hitting Sans. Would that be a factor? <cite>rwlh posted [p:986250888] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>I'm surprised DK's time slow hasn't come up yet re: hitting Sans. Would that be a factor?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rwlh 08/30/25 9:49:27 AM #28:	Like if we assume the time slow is in play, it makes sense that DK would activate it after a few rounds of Sans attacking, then peg him with a coconut gun shot. He can probably tank two or three turns with Sans, and then he figures out Sans's deal, slows time, and hits him. Sans is very knowledgeable about time, but IIRC he has no defense against time being slowed. How does that sound? <cite>rwlh posted [p:986250948] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Like if we assume the time slow is in play, it makes sense that DK would activate it after a few rounds of Sans attacking, then peg him with a coconut gun shot. He can probably tank two or three turns with Sans, and then he figures out Sans's deal, slows time, and hits him. Sans is very knowledgeable about time, but IIRC he has no defense against time being slowed.How does that sound?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistaya 08/30/25 10:18:54 AM #29:	Weirdly, I feel like DK can do this one. Like, thinking about it as "Can DK handle sans' boss fight?" I think the answer to that is yes? And I think that's the nastiest thing sans can do. The life drain is an issue but DK has a pretty high life total, I think it's going to take too long to KARMA drain him completely. I'm not sure if DK actually ko's sans after surviving the barrage or if sans just walks afterwards, but either way works for DK. --- I've dodged these forums for 25 years, damn it. <cite>Mistaya posted [p:986251159] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Weirdly, I feel like DK can do this one. Like, thinking about it as "Can DK handle sans' boss fight?" I think the answer to that is yes? And I think that's the nastiest thing sans can do. The life drain is an issue but DK has a pretty high life total, I think it's going to take too long to KARMA drain him completely. I'm not sure if DK actually ko's sans after surviving the barrage or if sans just walks afterwards, but either way works for DK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hombad46 08/30/25 10:43:19 AM #30:	Yeah I agree that slowing time should let DK pull it off, especially since it still applies even if you switch off Snake Bananza, so he could use it then switch to Zebra Bananza for extra speed. Edit: also he may be able to counter the DOT by putting Pauline in the outfit that restores health while in Bananza form. --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. <cite>hombad46 posted [p:986251361] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I agree that slowing time should let DK pull it off, especially since it still applies even if you switch off Snake Bananza, so he could use it then switch to Zebra Bananza for extra speed. Edit: also he may be able to counter the DOT by putting Pauline in the outfit that restores health while in Bananza form. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skulltrumpets 08/30/25 10:52:29 AM #31:	sans is a winner 2 me ... <cite>skulltrumpets posted [p:986251434] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>sans is a winner 2 me ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
taffingspy 08/30/25 11:05:53 AM #32:	I believe in Sans' ability to sleep through the fight and still somehow win <cite>taffingspy posted [p:986251547] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>I believe in Sans' ability to sleep through the fight and still somehow win</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 08/30/25 11:06:03 AM #33:	Donkey Kong I think sans would throw. Both of them are really lazy, but Donkey Kong would want to go out for bananas. sans would not respect the limits of this topic and would shrug and ask if DK wants to go eat bananas, and DK would go "OK!" and sans would give up so that DK would buy the food. It's silly, but I don't see any reason for sans to keep it up battle-wise. Dude would get really tired really fast. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:986251550] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>Donkey KongI think sans would throw. Both of them are really lazy, but Donkey Kong would want to go out for bananas. sans would not respect the limits of this topic and would shrug and ask if DK wants to go eat bananas, and DK would go "OK!" and sans would give up so that DK would buy the food.It's silly, but I don't see any reason for sans to keep it up battle-wise. Dude would get really tired really fast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rwlh 08/30/25 11:06:05 AM #34:	DK for reasons stated above. <cite>rwlh posted [p:986251551] in Could Donk... [t:81033928]...</cite> <quote>DK for reasons stated above.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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