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MMXcalibur
02/03/25 10:54:08 AM
#152:


swordz9 posted...
Go Canada


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LinkMarioSamus
02/03/25 10:56:55 AM
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I still personally dont think the Republican Partys new coalition will last - women and minorities especially - but we will see.

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YoBlazer
02/03/25 10:57:28 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
While I am fairly sure Ive said it before it does bear repeating, the worlds biggest military and nuclear power descending into civil war would be a bad thing for the world. So lets hope that is not necessary.

Luckily, I don't think that's much of a possibility in our lifetimes. As red said, we've become way too pacified for that, for all the good and bad it brings.

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YoBlazer
02/03/25 10:58:16 AM
#155:


Also yes, go Canada. Time to watch some 1997 Bret Hart promos

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Isquen
02/03/25 10:58:16 AM
#156:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
An excerpt from a YouTube comments section.

Have an original thought ever and not a nonsequitir.

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 11:09:30 AM
#157:


The biggest risk to the accelerationists is, like in the entire human history of civilization, the evangelicals. The tech bros really believe they can temporarily ally with evangelicals and white supremacists, and then defeat them when the time comes for a total takeover. Something that has never worked once in all of history.

All present and future society requires compromising with evangelicals to keep them sedated. Accelerationists have not factored that into their vision, and are overwhelmingly excited to finally beat the evangelics.

They won't. The evangelicals will win. All white supremacy is ultimately derived from evangelicals too. The modern hyper-atheist nationalist movement (pretty much all zoomer nationalists and most millenial/X ones fall under this) is completely under the thumb of the evangelicals. There is no amount of money or media that can win this for tech accelerationists.

Betting against Musk is a terrible idea, looking at the last 30 years. But looking at the last 3000 years, betting against the evangelicals is the obvious mistake.

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 11:10:01 AM
#158:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHL75H_VEM

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FFDragon
02/03/25 11:12:01 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/07bd13ef.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a252be50.jpg

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LinkMarioSamus
02/03/25 11:12:54 AM
#160:


Isquen posted...
Have an original thought ever and not a nonsequitir.

Thats not from a YouTube comments section but never mind.

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AriaOfBolo
02/03/25 11:14:59 AM
#161:


FFDragon posted...
is there one?

would we all just be exterminated before we got a chance?

I think we'd have no chance, and thus I don't think it'd happen.
Now, if we piss off the rest of the world enough.....

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Isquen
02/03/25 11:19:45 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d90v1m6qvt

He blinked again. What horrible smokescreen is going to be thrown up THIS week to make the general populace all forget, I wonder?

For those keeping score:
Week 1 - Mass deportation raids + attempting to have The Undesirables in Federal positions quit with the promise of getting paid (they won't)
Week 2 - Victim-blaming by directly causing short staffing at a critical air travel requirement; attempting to start a trade war with the rest of the civilized world.

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LightningStrikes
02/03/25 11:23:00 AM
#163:


YoBlazer posted...
Luckily, I don't think that's much of a possibility in our lifetimes. As red said, we've become way too pacified for that, for all the good and bad it brings.

Absolutely. Thankfully this is a very unlikely scenario.

Look at how much the Syrian Civil War screwed up the world order for a country that was a developing economy with a population of 25 million, a comparatively small army and no nuclear arsenal. If it happened in America it could destroy the world.

Anyway, Trump backed down and delayed tariffs on Mexico for a month in exchange for some performative Mexican troop presence at the border. Lets see if Canada is next.

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Isquen
02/03/25 11:24:35 AM
#164:


Thank you, I didn't actually mention WHAT he blinked at. I'm still in the process of waking up.

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YoBlazer
02/03/25 11:26:19 AM
#165:


Apparently, conditions of this deal call for the US to be more vigilant in the effort to reduce firearm smuggling to Mexico, which is the source of like all of the guns down there. Does ANYONE think we'll even pretend to do that?

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kevwaffles
02/03/25 11:28:02 AM
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The thing is, what is the performative concession he'd even want from Canada? Trudeau is already on the way out and really this seems to stem from hating him personally.

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 11:30:15 AM
#167:


LightningStrikes posted...
Look at how much the Syrian Civil War screwed up the world order for a country that was a developing economy with a population of 25 million, a comparatively small army and no nuclear arsenal. If it happened in America it could destroy the world.
The US Civil War was still the most deadly and financially costly war in all of US history. The country still had enough strength and momentum to continue and thrive afterwards, but the war definitely slowed things down exponentially in ways we still feel today.

The current US also is strong enough to survive something like that. But again, it would be exponentially slowed down. Keynesianism does not allow that, and it would cause an extra exponential crash on top of the first one. And yeah it would hit all those who are on USD.

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Dancedreamer
02/03/25 11:37:56 AM
#168:


Accelerationism fails in the US because the people who ARE WILLING do anything are aligned with the oligarchs, and the people who WOULD do it aren't willing to. The mistaken belief is that if things get bad enough, the people who aren't willing to do anything will start being willing to do something. But that something they're willing to do will be to say "Well, that's just how the system works. This is what people wanted." We're essentially the demiurge from Persona.

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PerfectChaosZ
02/03/25 11:46:56 AM
#169:


Once upon a time the gulf between the military weaponry and the average citizens weaponry wasnt as large so revolution was still possible.
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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 11:57:17 AM
#170:


Dancedreamer posted...
Accelerationism fails in the US because the people who ARE WILLING do anything are aligned with the oligarchs, and the people who WOULD do it aren't willing to. The mistaken belief is that if things get bad enough, the people who aren't willing to do anything will start being willing to do something.
There's hundreds of billionaires and near-billionaires in the US oligarch class who just chill and enjoy the status quo which greatly benefits them. Accelerationism is trying to activate those people specifically.

No one actually gives a shit about regular people who believe in "the system" or believe Trump is "what the people wanted" or Democrats "need to restore order" or whatever benign political position. They are only useful as a name on a voting roll. And the goal is to eliminate that necessity as well.

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Big_Bob
02/03/25 12:03:51 PM
#171:


I think the American public may have lived in relative peace throughout this generation, but we have access to history books more than any generation that's come before. People recognize what's happening and what needs to be done.

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swordz9
02/03/25 12:06:06 PM
#172:


Big_Bob posted...
I think the American public may have lived in relative peace throughout this generation, but we have access to history books more than any generation that's come before. People recognize what's happening and what needs to be done.
Americas literacy rate is so bad you might have decent odds of betting that a lot of them dont have any idea whats happening in front of them. Like we are actively getting dumber and dumber
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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 12:12:38 PM
#173:


Big_Bob posted...
People recognize what's happening and what needs to be done.
They recognize that to improve the economy, they must vote Trump back in a 2nd time

That is the understanding of the world they are working with

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KamikazePotato
02/03/25 12:14:29 PM
#174:


foolm0r0n posted...
They recognize that to improve the economy, they must vote Trump back in a 3rd time
Future-proofed it to apply 4 years from now

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Dancedreamer
02/03/25 12:18:01 PM
#175:


Don't have to vote him back in if you don't have elections. Remember he said you won't have to vote ever again if you vote this time.

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Big_Bob
02/03/25 12:23:02 PM
#176:


The portion of the population that knows what to read knows what to do. And they'll be better equipped than the people who don't read.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/03/25 12:27:49 PM
#177:


Dude theyre trying to abolish fucking OSHA

https://twitter.com/moreperfectus/status/1886431327257243816?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Im interested how foolmo feels about it. On paper, it seems like something Libertarians would hate, but the idea that employers arent required to ensure safety standards seems pretty fucking dire.

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swordz9
02/03/25 12:32:20 PM
#178:


Must be making way so when they have rampant child labor in America again they cant be held accountable for anything!

Basically everything Trump is introducing or doing this time is terrible. I dunno if wed even be any better off if he miraculously dropped over today either
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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 12:35:47 PM
#179:


I literally don't spend 1 brain cell on introduced bills. A squirrel could walk into Congress and accidentally introduce a bill while digging around for cheez-its. I'll think about it when it's being voted on.

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Xeybozn
02/03/25 12:59:52 PM
#180:


foolm0r0n posted...
I'll think about it when it's being voted on.
When it's being voted on in the Senate rather than blocked by the filibuster. Any bills that won't get that far and can't be done in reconciliation mean literally nothing.

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 1:09:24 PM
#181:


I think it's ok to consider bills that are actively on the docket, even if they will likely be voted down or blocked by filibuster. That's a big jump from introducing a bill, and it's the point where you can call your reps and maybe they'll listen to you..

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kevwaffles
02/03/25 1:26:09 PM
#182:


Yeah, compared to everything else, "Congressman Fuckwad introduced a bill to usher in a new age of human suffering!" is pretty normal, as weird as that seems.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/03/25 1:38:06 PM
#183:


I understand what you guys are saying, but Im genuinely interested in your opinion on OSHA, foolmo

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LightningStrikes
02/03/25 1:50:56 PM
#184:


Honestly the most likely type of revolution to succeed in the USA is a largely non-violent revolution. Look at whats happening in Serbia right now, or what happened in Bangladesh. Any force and it would need military support domestic or international. But heavy public pressure until the government falters could happen.

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 2:00:10 PM
#185:


I don't know much about OSHA. It seems relatively small and effective from the outside, but I have no real idea.

In general, federal departments like that and USDA, EPA, FDA, etc are prone to regulatory capture and executive takeover, and thus are very weak and ineffective for their actual stated purpose. (e.g. EPA exists to provide legal protection to corps who produce "small" pollution, which would normally be a property damage lawsuit.) It's better to have independent organizations regulate industries, like the Professional Engineer license or IEEE (which also helps create global standards instead of US-specific ones). I wonder what rules truly are OSHA-specific and not also enforced by the various independent orgs. There CAN be an advantage to a federal department in terms of funding and legal use of violence, but in practice there's just too much executive abuse and political hostage-taking involved.

During Trump's first term I really hoped people would better understand the danger of executive departments, but it didn't happen at all. Liberals only wanted more concentrated power in the federal executive branch. More power to hand to the current admin. And if we get through this, they still won't have learned a thing. They will always plan like no Democrat will ever lose an election ever again. So the next despot who wins will be even worse.

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Inviso
02/03/25 2:10:35 PM
#186:


My issue with the bills is not that they'll actually pass, but rather that this is what the GOP WANTS to happen, and this is what they're actively broadcasting out to try and appeal to voters as though their voters ALSO want this to happen. It's a disturbing reality, that's all.

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Dancedreamer
02/03/25 2:43:16 PM
#187:


foolm0r0n posted...
During Trump's first term I really hoped people would better understand the danger of executive departments, but it didn't happen at all. Liberals only wanted more concentrated power in the federal executive branch. More power to hand to the current admin. And if we get through this, they still won't have learned a thing. They will always plan like no Democrat will ever lose an election ever again. So the next despot who wins will be even worse.

This is mostly because Dems cannot get power outside of the Presidency. At least not enough to actually do anything. The Senate is rigged to give a lot of deference to Republicans. And Republicans have gerrymandered the house enough to give them an advantage (though its shrinking).

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 2:55:54 PM
#189:


Dancedreamer posted...
This is mostly because Dems cannot get power outside of the Presidency. At least not enough to actually do anything. The Senate is rigged to give a lot of deference to Republicans. And Republicans have gerrymandered the house enough to give them an advantage (though its shrinking).
False and weak. I've read this same cope hundreds of times since Bush. Democrats have gained power in many ways since that time, and they don't do shit with it. They serve the oligarchs, and they placate people like you by pretending their hands are tied. Then during elections they gaslight you into believing THIS is the year they will codify Roe v Wade, after for 50 years of bullshitting.

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 2:58:11 PM
#190:


Inviso posted...
My issue with the bills is not that they'll actually pass, but rather that this is what the GOP WANTS to happen, and this is what they're actively broadcasting out to try and appeal to voters as though their voters ALSO want this to happen. It's a disturbing reality, that's all.
The point is, if you never heard of that bill and never thought about it at all, nothing in your life would change at all, and in the course of your lifetime you be no less informed. It's "news" with 0 value. Not exactly noise, but it's fair to treat it as such.

We all need to stop conflating our self worth as informed citizens with being plugged in to this constant stream of 0-value news.

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Metal_DK
02/03/25 3:04:21 PM
#191:


Use less internet. Fuck the Casual Revolution of 2007

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Lopen
02/03/25 3:18:54 PM
#192:


foolm0r0n posted...
We all need to stop conflating our self worth as informed citizens with being plugged in to this constant stream of 0-value news.

Maybe the most agreeable thing foolmo has ever posted

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Big_Bob
02/03/25 3:33:59 PM
#193:


Okay, what's a better way to stay informed?

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foolm0r0n
02/03/25 3:39:48 PM
#194:


I've been repeating that idea about once a week recently, and also made a game about it 6 years ago
https://foolmoron.itch.io/the-consumer

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Seanchan
02/03/25 3:41:18 PM
#195:


Big_Bob posted...
Okay, what's a better way to stay informed?

Politics Containment Topic, search for posts by Thorn

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Metal_DK
02/03/25 3:58:23 PM
#196:


Big_Bob posted...
Okay, what's a better way to stay informed?

Just less usage of stuff popularized post 2007. That alone will improve your life

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ChaosTonyV4
02/03/25 4:06:00 PM
#197:


foolm0r0n posted...
False and weak. I've read this same cope hundreds of times since Bush. Democrats have gained power in many ways since that time, and they don't do shit with it. They serve the oligarchs, and they placate people like you by pretending their hands are tied. Then during elections they gaslight you into believing THIS is the year they will codify Roe v Wade, after for 50 years of bullshitting.

Exactly, how many times did Democrats not even TRY to pass a bill because of the parliamentarian?

Id be interested to see the ratio of cases before the Supreme Court that are brought there by Republicans suits verses Democratic ones.

Im open to the idea of not hearing about the Democratic ones, but it feels like every other month we have life-changing rulings started by Republicans not willing to give up because its settled.

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Wanglicious
02/03/25 4:09:53 PM
#198:


Big_Bob posted...
Okay, what's a better way to stay informed?

if trying to stay current on daily things, can keep track of a channel or two that don't upload a crazy amount of content but do so regularly (e.g., phillip de franco, zaid tabani/freestyle the news).

you could change what you're trying to be current on. if it's crypto stuff or whatever, coffee's two channels are great for it. if it's tech related, gamersnexus has you good, as does one of LTT's various channels. if it's on how companies are trying to fuck you, rossmann remains king. changing this focus has the added benefit of it being something you actually care for and have interest in.

the basic answer is you don't need to be informed on everything, you don't need to care about everything, and it's fine if things happen without you being aware. unless it's literally your job or you find entertainment value in it, prioritize anything else.


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Thorn
02/03/25 4:49:49 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
The thing is, what is the performative concession he'd even want from Canada? Trudeau is already on the way out and really this seems to stem from hating him personally.
Canada spending a bunch of money on the border, apparently.

Trudeau just saying that after a phone call with Trump, Trump has postponed the tariffs 30 days while they work out a border deal. Trudeau saying $1.3b on the border? Dunno how much of that was already planned for it and Trudeau just didn't mention that detail to Trump.

Update: Yeah, looking back, Canada announced it was spending $1.3b on this back in December so it sounds more like Trump blinking (not that he or the media will spin it that way.)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/03/us/trump-tariffs

Happened minutes ago so not many sources to use right now

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BlackDra90n
02/03/25 4:52:42 PM
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That was announced in December, so honestly nothing new.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10920939/fall-economic-statement-2024-border-security-funding/

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