Current Events > Voters didn't think Trump was anti-choice

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Just extraordinary.

I'm extremely curious how the public perception of Trump goes after his policies fuck the nation up.

They'll probably like him more.

Error1355 posted...

I'm extremely curious how the public perception of Trump goes after his policies fuck the nation up.

They'll probably like him more.

It'll be the fault of the previous administration.

Error1355 posted...

They'll probably like him more.

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Error1355 posted...

I'm extremely curious how the public perception of Trump goes after his policies fuck the nation up.

They'll probably like him more.

I mean he's already guranteed 2 good years of the economy because he inherited Biden's economy after Biden had to sit through 4 years of high interest rates to get Trump's inflation down. People gonna forget when shit hits the fan the end of his term like last time because the next president will be the one that has to clean up his mess.

Yes, our well informed electorate at work again. People in this country cannot be bothered to truly learn about any issue, or put any thought into voting beyond their gut feeling.

We as a people are a disappointment, unworthy of good leadership. So many have died and sacrificed to protect our right to vote. We use it to elect a fascist reality show clown. We dont take it seriously.

Squall28 posted...

I mean he's already guranteed 2 good years of the economy because he inherited Biden's economy after Biden had to sit through 4 years of high interest rates to get Trump's inflation down.

Unless he really does implement his tariffs immediately and starts rounding up migrants, that'll crash the economy in no time flat.

Well Trump repeatedly said he supported state's rights and the health/etc. exemptions were "very important to" him, so I guess voters perceive that as a moderate/neutral stance compared to the national abortion ban supporters.

And the timing of the overturning further aids his case. Trump is brazenly selfish and does nothing that isn't perceived to benefit him in some way. Yet the court overturned Roe right in the middle of a midterm year that Trump was trying to shove his sidekicks into office during. This event explictly disadvantaged Trump, and since he has no ideological core to speak of that would drive him to sacrifice his personal interests to enact the reform otherwise, one can then surmise that he actually wasn't really an engineer of the decision at all (since it was not timed in a way where it'd be personally helpful to him).

It's a lot like how none of Trump's propaganda about Biden in 2020 worked because everyone knows Joe is authentic to a fault and can't keep a secret if his life depended on it. Accusing Trump of being behind 900 page plans like Project 2025 doesn't hit because the average person knows he's too stupid and unattentive to have even read that shit. The claims don't match the character.

Diceheist posted...

Well Trump repeatedly said he supported state's rights and the health/etc. exemptions were "very important to" him, so I guess voters perceive that as a moderate/neutral stance compared to the national abortion ban supporters.

And the timing of the overturning further aids his case. Trump is brazenly selfish and does nothing that isn't perceived to benefit him in some way. Yet the court overturned Roe right in the middle of a midterm year that Trump was trying to shove his sidekicks into office during. This event explictly disadvantaged Trump, and since he has no ideological core to speak of that would drive him to sacrifice his personal interests to enact the reform otherwise, one can then surmise that he actually wasn't really an engineer of the decision at all (since it was not timed in a way where it'd be personally helpful to him).

It's a lot like how none of Trump's propaganda about Biden in 2020 worked because everyone knows Joe is authentic to a fault and can't keep a secret if his life depended on it. Accusing Trump of being behind 900 page plans like Project 2025 doesn't hit because the average person knows he's too stupid and unattentive to have even read that shit. The claims don't match the character.

Trump openly bragged he got rid of Roe and I saw numerous ads of what he said, that women who got abortions had to be punished.

For whatever reason we couldn't fight public perception on this issue.

You know how in authoritarian regimes, bad things happen to people and they like their leaders more? Yeah, we're heading down that path.

did they not see when republicans said when Trump is re elected Abortion will be banned federally

Democracies fail because people are fucking stupid

That quote from The Boys feels so real right now.

Halo478 posted...

did they not see when republicans said when Trump is re elected Abortion will be banned federally

They didn't believe it

Diceheist posted...

Accusing Trump of being behind 900 page plans like Project 2025 doesn't hit because the average person knows he's too stupid and unattentive to have even read that s***. The claims don't match the character.

Heritage is behind Project 2025.

Trump is a guileless puppet who will do their bidding for attention, money, power, and not going to prison for his treason and other crimes. He also lives out of spite and revenge, which Heritage and Federalists and all of his sychophants have promised he'll have the authority to exact on his enemies.

The claims of Trump executing Project 2025, in part or in total, are 100% within the scope of his character.

Yeah my feeds are full of right wingers denying Trump is pro life

and also full of right wingers praising how pro life he is

There is no reality

Squall28 posted...

I mean he's already guranteed 2 good years of the economy

If Trump actually does those tariffs day 1, the economy is going to crater

Non-Trumpers in 2024: Trump is going to ruin X, Y and Z for minorities and the average American.
Trumpers: No he said he isn't going to do any of that, why are you fear mongering.

Trumpers in 2026: omg Trump ruined X, Y and Z, why didn't the Non-Trumpers warn us about this, they failed us.

Trump himself is not anti-choice. However, that is fucking irrelevant when he puts anti-choice people in power.

It doesnt matter that hed pursue pro-choice policies if he was surrounded by and seeking validation from pro-choice people. You have to base things based on the actual situation.

LightSnake posted...

Trump openly bragged he got rid of Roe and I saw numerous ads of what he said, that women who got abortions had to be punished.

For whatever reason we couldn't fight public perception on this issue.

If Trump was not most responsible for Dobbs then who was? Biggest hypocrites ever. George carlin-----"they care all about the unborn , but once you're born you're shit out of luck"

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ScazarMeltex posted...

It's this. The media covered every slip the Biden and then Harris campaigns made but did next to nothing to cover any of the wild shit Trump said or did.

its not this. Harris won people who watch traditional media more. By solid margins no less

Halo478 posted...

did they not see when republicans said when Trump is re elected Abortion will be banned federally

He promised there would be no federal ban . Should have demanded he put it in writing and signed that

LightSnake posted...

Harris won people who watch traditional media more. By solid margins no less

Do we know how those margins compare to Biden's win among that demographic?

Antifar posted...

Do we know how those margins compare to Biden's win among that demographic?

hmmm, Im not sure we have those stats. Elon didnt own Twitter till 2022 after all

Interestingly enough this country would be more liberal if it were a Direct Democracy.

Hexenherz posted...

Non-Trumpers in 2024: Trump is going to ruin X, Y and Z for minorities and the average American.
Trumpers: No he said he isn't going to do any of that, why are you fear mongering.

Trumpers in 2026: omg Trump ruined X, Y and Z, why didn't the Non-Trumpers warn us about this, they failed us.

Bold of you to assume they wont just claim that the deep state sabotaged him

It's increasingly clear to me that most people aren't even smart enough to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.

littlebro07 posted...

Bold of you to assume they wont just claim that the deep state sabotaged him

Good point, I didn't even consider that possibility since conservatives own the government and he is going to just stack his administration with wet blanket yes men.

But I don't expect trump voters to be paying attention to simple facts like that so "the deep state witch hunts" is still in play.

Not a single one of them listened to Kamala's speeches? She kept on preaching this during her campaign. WTF?

rideshort posted...

Not a single one of them listened to Kamala's speeches? She kept on preaching this during her campaign. WTF?

We let Trump get away from debates where he would have been confronted on his platform. Rallies don't have the same reach.

rideshort posted...

Not a single one of them listened to Kamala's speeches? She kept on preaching this during her campaign. WTF?

Their access to Kamala's speeches was in five second sound clips followed by ten minutes of heavily biased, factually incorrect commentary by a bunch of angry conservative anchors on Fox News.

aka they only heard what the media wanted them to hear.

DnDer posted...

Heritage is behind Project 2025.

Trump is a guileless puppet who will do their bidding for attention, money, power, and not going to prison for his treason and other crimes. He also lives out of spite and revenge, which Heritage and Federalists and all of his sychophants have promised he'll have the authority to exact on his enemies.

The claims of Trump executing Project 2025, in part or in total, are 100% within the scope of his character.

No for sure Trump would implement major parts of it (particularly the ones granting himself more authority), but the Dem. ads were literally calling it "Trump's Project 2025" which just isn't believable and got tuned out. It would've been much more useful to attack Agenda 47, which actually has Trump's public stamp of approval on it and is similarly bad anyway. Instead Dems. let it fly under the radar in favor of focusing on a Heritage document Trump would fall alseep reading.

LightSnake posted...

Trump openly bragged he got rid of Roe and I saw numerous ads of what he said, that women who got abortions had to be punished.

Yes but how many things does Trump take credit for that he didn't actually do? It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a bunch of conservatives overturned Roe without his input but then he had to try to own it for political reasons.

Diceheist posted...

No for sure Trump would implement major parts of it (particularly the ones granting himself more authority), but the Dem. ads were literally calling it "Trump's Project 2025" which just isn't believable and got tuned out. It would've been much more useful to attack Agenda 47, which actually has Trump's public stamp of approval on it and is similarly bad anyway. Instead Dems. let it fly under the radar in favor of focusing on a Heritage document Trump would fall alseep reading.

Yes but how many things does Trump take credit for that he didn't actually do? It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a bunch of conservatives overturned Roe without his input but then he had to try to own it for political reasons.

Which conservatives overturned roe?

Quorthon109 posted...

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Youd think the common reaction when a word you dont know is being thrown about when talking about who should be the next leader of a fucking country would be to look it up. But no, they cant even do the bare minimum of Googling it.

All these years of evolution and access to tools to educate yourself and the average American still arent much smarter than monkeys.

Quorthon109 posted...

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We are so, so fucked.

And maybe we deserve it.

DnDer posted...

We are so, so fucked.

And maybe we deserve it.

frim now on, anything above a third grade reading level in messaging gets nixed

GranTurismo posted...

He promised there would be no federal ban . Should have demanded he put it in writing and signed that

Wouldn't make a difference. Trump's entire fortune is predicated on writing contracts and breaking them. Ask anyone who ever sent him an invoice.

DnDer posted...

Wouldn't make a difference. Trump's entire fortune is predicated on writing contracts and breaking them. Ask anyone who ever sent him an invoice.

Supposedly if he is prez... Etc....when he was... He added billions ...iirc to his net worth.

GranTurismo posted...

Which conservatives overturned roe?

The evangelical wing of the GOP, particularly the religious fundamentalists the Heritage Foundation told Trump to put in the Supreme Court. Trump is from the nationalist wing, but has to work with the evangelical wing to get enough Republican votes.

Well DUH. Of course one of his main motivations for being POTUS is to enrich himself.

Just think, he know has Crypto holdings, and the laws on Crypto aren't really well regulated yet, so he is going to instill people who are going to define the crypto regulations to benefit him and his busniess

and yeah, jimmy carter's peanut farm

Heard plenty of feedback where they think he's serious about not signing a national abortion ban if it comes onto this desk just because he said he wouldn't. Our general electorate has gotta be truly the worst in all developed nations.

Diceheist posted...

The evangelical wing of the GOP, particularly the religious fundamentalists the Heritage Foundation told Trump to put in the Supreme Court. Trump is from the nationalist wing, but has to work with the evangelical wing to get enough Republican votes.

Did you consider all of the sc members trump put on the sc to be religious fundamentalists though?

The cornerstone of Trump is that despite what he says, we really just have to put blind trust he actually does it.

So when he says he wont sign a national abortion ban, we don't know, at all, if that is true.

And Vance would be 100% in favor of one, but he remarked that was his personal belief and he wouldn't govern that way. So we just have to blindly trust

With Harris we know she is not anti abortion, so we don't have to worry if she'd sign a national abortion ban. she clearly would not. there is no hope with that, it just wouldnt happen/

That seems silly, Trump is going to do whatever his Chirsto-fascist big monied donors IE Heritage Foundation and similar organizations want him to do and they want a national abortion ban. He only cares about who gives him money.

GranTurismo posted...

Did you consider all of the sc members trump put on the sc to be religious fundamentalists though?

Barrett definitely is, that's her whole thing. The other two may not be, but they're close enough to be indistinguishable; Kavanaugh is a brazenly partisan Republican who's been propagandizing against Dems since the 90s and Gorsuch has been making fascism jokes since high school, they would bandwagon any movement granting the GOP more control.

It makes you wonder about Project 2025. Obviously a guy who worked for Trump in round 1 was the author(Paul Dans) and a huge number of trump people were involved.

But if any other republican(for this context lets just pick one with "normal" personality and "normal" right positions) was elected, does project 2025 exist?

Like, Trump seems religiously ambiguous, so I wonder was this made for him to execute, or any republican to execute?