Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 415: I got nothing clever

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trdl23 posted...

I'm so sad.

I usually lurk here, but I'm just mourning what we were meant to be, and I need to express it somewhere. I apologize for my selfishness.

you and me both buddy

bet Harris put on a Tupac cassette in her carriage after that.

Did Harris just do Ruthkanda Forever but for real?

to really make that Harris thing even funnier?
that's an extremely similar story MLK gave in a 1965 interview to Playboy magazine about something he saw on a 8-9 year old girl.

clearly King was wrong on the age, it was actually 0-1 year old Kamala Harris.

swordz9 posted...

Its so baffling democracy in America could end because a cult loves quite possibly one of the dumbest fucking people on the entire planet who would send every last one of them to a death sentence and feel nothing. Honestly feels like we just went to a different reality somehow where everything is worse

It's not just them though. Its also the people who won't vote for not that guy. Like there's too many people who let perfect be the enemy of not absolutely terrible. "I want better options," they say. Which leads to a conservative court and conservative control elsewhere. And the just don't care.. Look at Brianna Gray Joy and how she said the supreme court didn't matter. Well guess what Bri IT FUCKING DOES.

"Just expand the court!" They say. It can't be done. Its not a viable solution. You know how I know? Because if it were republicans would have,done it already.

I don't care who the dems,put up. Be it Biden, Harris, hillary, Santa claus, the Easter bunny, Gretchen whitmer, Taylor swift, AOC, the corpse of LBJ, Hunter Biden, A literal carrot, or Whoever, as long as they are somewhat left wing they've got my vote. would I prefer a better candidate? Absolutely. But the choice is between Democracy, and Christocorporate fascism. And you can tell reps hate democracy and,will,dismantle,it piece, by piece.not only by their past actions,but just say,we,live in a democracy and see how quick they are to correct you.

Maybe I'm preaching to the choir here. But it is so damn frustrating that so many people won't for dems because they won't get a lot of what they want when the other option is the opposite of practically everything they want.

Literal Carrot 2028

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/maggieaustenx/status/1808261125961929002?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

I am unironically ready for President Harris.

This story's been around for a while and people like to dunk on it but at the risk of sounding like a shill for the DNP I don't think it's terribly unbelievable. Kids say lots of stuff, ask her a day later and she might have said "I need to be a caterpillar again".

Yeah it's plainly obvious this Supreme Court ruling is meant to prop up Trump and nothing more. For the vast majority of Presidents it wouldn't matter because they'd be impeached and convicted if they pulled something "criminal" while in office. And Trump's supporters are making it clear as day to boot.

About the only reason I still feel less anxious about Trump winning this election than I did in 2016 is because he's running against an incumbent who is probably STILL less controversial than Hillary Clinton somehow, and there's still plenty of time for Trump to screw himself over (how well Biden capitalizes is anyone's guess). Otherwise, wow.

trdl23 posted...

I'm so sad.

I usually lurk here, but I'm just mourning what we were meant to be, and I need to express it somewhere. I apologize for my selfishness.

Yeah no it sucks.

Democracy, even our shitty electoral college version of it, is functionally dead. The Supreme Court has essentially ceded unlimited power to the Presidency. All of the groundwork to be a literal dictatorship is now in place.

This is the point a sane country would be rioting in the streets. When I say its time to burn it all to the ground I mean it quite literally, but our population is complacent and the necessary rebellion to stop this would get put down by the relative to the alternative good people currently in power.

But you can no longer point to the US and say that it may be fucked up but at least its still a democracy. Our ship has sailed.

And yes we crossed riot in the streets a long time ago, but I think it was arguable that the systems in place were theoretically correctable.

But the Supreme Court ruling basically can not be undone. The President now wields power which cannot be checked by other powers of government or the voters themselves should the President choose to wield it.

We have created a dictatorship.

I still can't get over how a country with the tenet they nobody is above the law can rule that a president is immune from criminal production, albeit when performing his completely vague "official" duties. It's such a blatant allowance of corruption that seemingly okay with, or most generously blind to.

In response to Sotomayor's dissent, Roberts says that actually we need to prevent a reality where former presidents are consistently prosecuted once they leave office and that it's highly unlikely that any president would abuse their position in the way Sotomayor is fearing as if we didn't just have a former president be convicted of what amounts to election interference. Chief Roberts is pissing on us and telling us it's raining.

Like I know I'm not offering any new opinion or angle through which to view this, but I just need express all this somewhere and this is as good a void as any. I'm spiraling into a depression because of my anxiety about being a lower middle class citizen and feeling stonewalled in achieving my goals. And I don't even have it THAT bad but everything around us is burning and I just feel myself being consumed by negativity. I'm at point where I wish for the demise of anyone who would vote for Trump and I literally do not care who it is or their relationship to me. It feels inhuman but I cannot muster the empathy to deflect the thought.

https://youtube.com/shorts/YeWuS3x3RZg?si=P4QZ7Rcv6iP6Aemg

Hundreds of years and we didn't need the courts protecting a former president from prosecution. Hmm... wonder what the big change could have been!

What I wouldn't give to be in Biden's position to end facisim right now and set the US right.

ZaziGuado posted...

Like I know I'm not offering any new opinion or angle through which to view this, but I just need express all this somewhere and this is as good a void as any. I'm spiraling into a depression because of my anxiety about being a lower middle class citizen and feeling stonewalled in achieving my goals. And I don't even have it THAT bad but everything around us is burning and I just feel myself being consumed by negativity.

Right there with you man.

yea

Yeah, Id say a lot of people are pretty worried about what could happen. If Trumps wins Im getting the fuck out

start looking at options now, the best case is it'll take a lot of time and legwork

Step back from the ledge, my friends.

ZaziGuado posted...

I still can't get over how a country with the tenet they nobody is above the law can rule that a president is immune from criminal production, albeit when performing his completely vague "official" duties. It's such a blatant allowance of corruption that seemingly okay with, or most generously blind to.

In response to Sotomayor's dissent, Roberts says that actually we need to prevent a reality where former presidents are consistently prosecuted once they leave office and that it's highly unlikely that any president would abuse their position in the way Sotomayor is fearing as if we didn't just have a former president be convicted of what amounts to election interference. Chief Roberts is pissing on us and telling us it's raining.

Like I know I'm not offering any new opinion or angle through which to view this, but I just need express all this somewhere and this is as good a void as any. I'm spiraling into a depression because of my anxiety about being a lower middle class citizen and feeling stonewalled in achieving my goals. And I don't even have it THAT bad but everything around us is burning and I just feel myself being consumed by negativity. I'm at point where I wish for the demise of anyone who would vote for Trump and I literally do not care who it is or their relationship to me. It feels inhuman but I cannot muster the empathy to deflect the thought.

That's the thing - normally a POTUS would have been impeached and convicted before they could reach the point where this ruling matters. Trump is a completely different animal though! Also I guess Roberts has no idea what a crime is, since most Presidents in the past have never criminally prosecuted their opponents because there were no criminal charges to pursue! Not to mention Trump did try to prosecute Hillary Clinton after winning but couldn't because she had no criminal charges against her, and then he got impeached for trying to dig dirt on Biden.

Apparently the entire mob that is the Republican Party has no idea what's a crime and what isn't. Wow. I hope this ruling causes Democrats to turn up to polls and vote, because any candidate better than Trump couldn't possibly lose from this position!

I'm so tired of this.

Just keep this fat orange fuck out of office and we'll all at least continue to operate in a somewhat sane world.

Vote.

It's not sane to his supporters though, is the thing.

Anyway I'm also seeing reports that Democrats are trying to replace Biden on the ballots. Yeah that'll work, get rid of the guy who got 87.5% of the vote in the primary!

Corrik7 posted...

Step back from the ledge, my friends.

I'm normally not the alarmist type, and I normally know better than to engage with comments such as this, but the foundation has been laid and communicated to everyone for things to be as bad as people fear they can be. Project 2025. Presidential immunity with an undefined scope. Bribery laws neutered. Federal agencies stripped of autonomy. The only thing in place to prevent a corrupt President is Congress passing legislation to curb corruption in the government or the President acting in good faith. Congress is more partisan than it has ever been. One of the presidential nominees has already demonstrated corrupt tendencies and an expressed desire to insulate themselves from any accountability. A rejection of the peaceful transfer of power has occured with many co-conspirarators that can be absolved of all wrong doing by a presidential pardon which is an indisputable official act of the presidency that Trump has said he would do. This is reality and any conjecture is based on comments made by people set to receive these powers.

I don't think I survive a red government, and it's looking like a coin flip where even the good end is that we get to do this again in four years. I have long since lost the ability to step back from the ledge.

Remember when we were called crazy alarmists when we were worried about roe v wade, insurrections, corruption, etc during the 2016 election season? Fun times.

Conspiracy theorist post warning, skip unless bored or feel like engaging with this.

My prediction is Trump is going to win the election, claim absolute power, and this will all be allowed for a while to rationalize blaming dumb businessman Trump for a crash and cleanse of the world economy and the inevitable war between China and Taiwan so we don't have to blame the career politicians.

It's not going to be pleasant for the next few years but I think the endgame will be to impeach Trump and overhaul our government a bit-- the big thing to fear and my concern will be if the overhaul ends up being worse what we currently have. Also whether the economic crash will spiral a bit more than THEY expect it to. The war if it happens will suck too but I actually am expecting more of a cold war type economic/trade issue more than all out bloodshed as I don't think China wants to invade for a lot of reasons, and it would happen regardless of Trump presidency. Probably cloak and dagger negotiations right now are to stall China from doing it until our fall guy is in office.

Now if you really want to be super concerned watch to see if we get increasing talks of RFK Jr replacing Biden. I could definitely see "blame RFK Jr" to be a palatable alternative to "blame Trump" by the powers that be.

If we end with RFK Jr vs Trump in the election we'd truly be in the endgame. Just know Lopen told you if that actually happens.

Yeah it started out just a little crazy then went full RFK Jr.

ZaziGuado posted...

I'm normally not the alarmist type, and I normally know better than to engage with comments such as this, but the foundation has been laid and communicated to everyone for things to be as bad as people fear they can be. Project 2025. Presidential immunity with an undefined scope. Bribery laws neutered. Federal agencies stripped of autonomy. The only thing in place to prevent a corrupt President is Congress passing legislation to curb corruption in the government or the President acting in good faith. Congress is more partisan than it has ever been. One of the presidential nominees has already demonstrated corrupt tendencies and an expressed desire to insulate themselves from any accountability. A rejection of the peaceful transfer of power has occured with many co-conspirarators that can be absolved of all wrong doing by a presidential pardon which is an indisputable official act of the presidency that Trump has said he would do. This is reality and any conjecture is based on comments made by people set to receive these powers.

Congress being partisan and impeachment being weaponized is why the president is above the law. These are the ways outlined by the constitution to deal with crimes in office. The courts are not supposed to be the avenue for this.

The system is broken. The Supreme Court ruling was pretty much what you would expect.

"Step away from the ledge!" the cop says as he points a gun, intending to shoot us all.

I don't think it's alarmist at all to be worried about Trump. He's said that he wants military tribunals for Cheney and Pence. These are the people who were on his side. Imagine what he wants to do with people who weren't! And there's nobody to stop him. The Republican party and the supreme court will let him get away with anything. There were adults in the room in 2016. They weren't good at their job, or even good adults, but they were adults nonetheless. This time we won't even have that. this time we'll have nothing but enablers surrounding him. Enablers and the heritage foundation and their project 2025.

They're going to get a national abortion ban (Stop telling me Trump said he won't sign an abortion ban. Kavenaugh and the others said Roe v Wade was settled law. That didn't stop him from going through with Dobbs, did it?) They're going to come after LGBT people. And Trump's rhetoric is going to get people killed. Just as LOTT's rhetoric got people killed, and nobody did anything about it.

The man tried to steal a fucking election, and people still want him because "Man, I'd sure like a tax break." Cause that's all that matters to them. A tax break that isn't even really a tax break because he's going to put tariffs on everything to replace the income tax so they can put in a regressive tax policy that makes sure that the poorest Americans are paying more than the wealthy elites.

You have the head of the heritage foundation saying there'll be a Bloodless revolution, as long as the liberals are compliant. This should freak any decent person out. And I think it does. Because I don't think any decent person could ever consider voting for Trump in 2024. Unfortunately, our country is short on decent people.

Thats because social media lets them say whatever they want without consequences mostly. If they had to say this shit in front of people theyd be getting punched or having bricks thrown at them or something

red13n posted...

Yeah it started out just a little crazy then went full RFK Jr.

"impeach trump' is where it went craziest of all. The Republican party would never in a million years impeach Trump. He could put us all in concentration camps, and Republicans would say "FDR put japanese americans in camps!"

I am 100% coping but there really is something charming about this lmao

https://twitter.com/internethippo/status/1808231480537371019?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Wait till Trump "causes" a bunch of bad stuff and the Republicans turn on him to restore their party image.

I will say if the current "smear Biden" campaign works there will be no need to replace Biden with RFK.

They only need to run RFK Jr if it is looking like Biden may have a chance against Trump assisted by the Democrat run smear campaign on Biden running from both sides. He'd have to be a large favorite though-- you just rig the polls if the gap is small.

But yeah I've basically drawn Trump in as the winner in my head. Will be voting against him but I feel like it's inevitable he wins.

Im voting against him whether its Biden running or someone replacing him if he steps out/down. There are seriously very very very very few people who are worse options than Trump

Tbh I also think with Trump primarily running on tossing out his criminal charges and the Democratic Party in disarray that the fact Trump is barely ahead in the polls is no the best news for him. But who knows?

RFK Jrs odds make Biden look like Obama.

He doesnt have the juice.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Democratic Party in disarray that the fact Trump is barely ahead in the polls is no the best news for him

Yeah

And this is why I'm considering the "break glass and run RFK Jr over Biden" timeline.

If Trump is set to be beaten by Biden comfortably THEY can't risk Biden actually running. You can only plausibly do so much election fraud. That both ups dumb orange businessman fall guy's chances of winning and gives a backup plan to hand RFK Jr the pin-removed hand grenade.

THEY are definitely doing their best to present Biden as unfit to be president but it may not be enough.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Tbh I also think with Trump primarily running on tossing out his criminal charges and the Democratic Party in disarray that the fact Trump is barely ahead in the polls is no the best news for him. But who knows?

Disagree. Trump has won or come close to winning by a razor margin while down in the polls consistently. A tie or trump lead is likely a telling sign the outcome is already sealed if it holds (and it has been growing). The party is in disarray because of trumps lead and what it means. They wouldn't be telling biden to step down at all after the debate if he was up 5 points. That's the difference.

Can't we just deem Biden unfit right now and insert Kamala as president and have her run in his place?

Here's a conspiracy theory for you if you like conspiracies, albeit this one is more grounded in reality.

The Heritage Foundation is running the US government. Currently they have power of the house of representatives and the judiciary. They want the Presidency, so they're pushing the whole "Joe Biden is too old!" narrative. They've already got lawsuits planned in case Joe decides to step down, to keep his replacement off the ballot so they win by default. They're making a power grab in order to institute their christofascist beliefs through Donald Trump, the Supreme Court and the House of representatives. Once they gain power, they have no plan on letting go of it. They are, of course, working in conjunction with the federalist society, who have long been courting judges like Kavenaugh and Gorsuch, who are now on the highest court of the land, with no method of removing them as long as they hold enough power in the senate. They even have some agitators among the democratic party to cause maximum disarray.

Obellisk posted...

Can't we just deem Biden unfit right now and insert Kamala as president and have her run in his place?

Biden could step down now and make kamala president, but it wouldn't make her the nominee. That requires a brokered democratic convention to nominate the replacement.

Corrik7 posted...

Biden could step down now and make kamala president, but it wouldn't make her the nominee. That requires a brokered democratic convention to nominate the replacement.

ok, so they have a month and a half before the convention, this could get done. Anyone but Trump.... and RFK

swordz9 posted...

Im voting against him whether its Biden running or someone replacing him if he steps out/down. There are seriously very very very very few people who are worse options than Trump

I think even I am starting to come around to this

I REALLY don't want to vote for any of the remotely viable options but the stakes are getting high enough to override my conscience

The democratic party has no one to blame but themselves. The writing was on the wall for this forever, and instead they propped up the idea of biden rerunning instead of finding someone viable. Instead they put all their money on bringing up cases against Trump instead. That was only going to reinvigorate support for Trump.

The craziest part is that this debate was BIDENS ask. He asked for this special debate and literally sealed the deal for his loss. Such an error. Trump if he is smart will decline to debate again and say that he feels it is unfair to put Biden through the rigor of a debate again because he can't handle it at his age. That he is looking out for the well being of Biden by declining.

If you have any doubts about voting Blue, read the opening post of this topic

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kamala Harris would get trounced in a general election.

Its Michelle Obama. Thats the way out.

She has no interest. That said, if they do a brokered convention it's gonna come down to who has the most allies in the party and donors and also that polls well enough. There will be a ton of greased hands to get the support needed to be named the nominee.

Dancedreamer posted...

Here's a conspiracy theory for you if you like conspiracies, albeit this one is more grounded in reality.

The Heritage Foundation is running the US government. Currently they have power of the house of representatives and the judiciary. They want the Presidency, so they're pushing the whole "Joe Biden is too old!" narrative. They've already got lawsuits planned in case Joe decides to step down, to keep his replacement off the ballot so they win by default. They're making a power grab in order to institute their christofascist beliefs through Donald Trump, the Supreme Court and the House of representatives. Once they gain power, they have no plan on letting go of it. They are, of course, working in conjunction with the federalist society, who have long been courting judges like Kavenaugh and Gorsuch, who are now on the highest court of the land, with no method of removing them as long as they hold enough power in the senate. They even have some agitators among the democratic party to cause maximum disarray.

See the difference between my conspiracy theory and yours is mine is actually supported by the current state of global finance/politics.

I'm not making a theory up for the sake of one I'm more trying to figure out why we are taking up more debt than ever in a rate hike environment, and why the stock market has created a situation where Nvidia (heavily dependent on Taiwan) is propping things up to an irrational degree (while of course Pelosi and other members of congress bought calls before said irrational run up).

It feels more likely that these things are being done consciously in anticipation of an "unexpected" financial reckoning than a bunch of people being completely stupid at their jobs.