Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 12: All's Fair in Love and War

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Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 8:01:58 PM
#301:


Lopen posted...
With bomb odds are you will hit them or at least one of the scum

If your bomb is going to hit both you might as well just hit 1 and remove the odds of killing 3x town.

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:05:48 PM
#302:


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If your bomb is going to hit both you might as well just hit 1 and remove the odds of killing 3x town.

Yes but it's insurance against town not having the exact 1 scum

If you shotgun you're more likely to just hit scum by accident with the two bodies that weren't the #1 scum read and then they either have to die or squirm

I think the gain is VASTLY superior to the marginal pressure generated from suggesting two scum pair up Like I can't imagine that scum are ever scared enough by that to expose themselves. They'll subtly defeat the idea as they did this game (its easy as they have 5x the town pairs as scum pair options) or just pair up and try to win in final 5 anyway

Your way works better if town knows who 1 scum is with very high probability. If they don't though it basically never works.

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:10:21 PM
#303:


I think part of the disconnect is this

The town should be choosing who the bomb is and if the bomb fights its potentially a tell

They should also be choosing the pair to die and if the pair fights its potentially a tell

It's not "we suspect one guy and we are gonna kill these two others arbitrarily" but "we suspect two to three and are going to lure as many into the blast as possible"

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Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 8:12:05 PM
#304:


I didn't subtly defeat the idea this game.

I planted the seed in my night chat with dumey and then I not-obviously used reverse psychology to set him up to want me to pair with MZero. My pairing with MZero was entirely scum led.

If 1-2 town pushed me and Sultan together it would have been much more difficult and potentially obvious.

your marketing bomb on 7 as always-better and there's just no way it can be. Especially if the pair being blown up has a chance of being scum/scum, you lose nothing by only lynching 1. But by doing a bomb you gain a read on 1 extra person by telling them to be the detonator. By forcing pairs you gain opportunity to read 4 extra people.

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:18:30 PM
#305:


I think forcing pairs can work if you move the pairs a lot

But if you force even on pair where scum isn't all pressure is gone.

Anyway yeah definitely think "planting seeds" is the definition of subtle!

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:28:19 PM
#307:


Yeah it definitely has nothing to do with not reading the game and openly contradicting yourself

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:31:15 PM
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Anyway FD this is just theorycraft for fun. I'm not trying to take your credit away for the play I think even if you thought the strategy is good preemptively planning seeds to defeat it is great play. I just think it's a bad strategy and thought you were intentionally suggesting a bad but not obviously bad strategy

Not relevant until we ever play the format again-- but if we're both town late game in the future I'm gonna argue against your lategame strategy to the death!

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:33:21 PM
#310:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Read every word. You are a clown.

Literally impossible to have your "duality of man" as Mzero calls it while actually reading and remembering anything that happened in games.

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:35:31 PM
#313:


Now make a word document of games you've won

Oh wait you can't

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:37:51 PM
#314:


Anyway dude you're never going to get better at not being lynched if you're going to protect your ego by saying people still fear Thanos Miller and that's why

Maybe take notes during games instead of making them after

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:42:15 PM
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Like I had a strong townread on you this game to start

You arguing nonsense for several days in a row and tunneling me relentlessly made me have to fight hard to convince myself you were town and not just scum trying to argue something that does nothing useful

If you're town make more sense by trying to remember the game and you won't get mislynched as much. Pretty simple

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Lopen
03/11/24 8:56:23 PM
#317:


Damn son Ulti is delicate

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Chaeix
03/11/24 9:08:10 PM
#318:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The clout I supposedly don't have is why I keep getting lynched as town. People are so paranoid about the one game I claimed miller in.

And no, I didn't "play bad on purpose" or even play badly at all. You are a clown.
Ulti I say this as a friend, and youre welcome to say the same when Ive played badly (such as here), you played badly this game. Your reads were all over the place >_>

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Lopen
03/11/24 9:22:14 PM
#319:


Sad part is I actually like Ulti and have spoken up for him on multiple occasions

But I'm not gonna roll over and let him trash talk me relentlessly and turn around whine about how he's never to blame for being lynched ever

Get better

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Kirby321
03/11/24 9:44:23 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Nothing Ulti is doing makes any sense. He has to be scum. At the very least, hes lying about his role. -ctes

Ulti was Princess Peach, Town Clairvoyant.

I mean, as the host of that game, I can assuredly say that while Ctes was wrong about your alignment, he was 100% correct about you lying about your role. Ask Sultan and BCT. I was going insane in DTC watching you half-lie about your role, to the point where I was deeply concerned that you didn't even understand your own role lol

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Forceful_Dragon
03/11/24 10:02:15 PM
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Kirby321 posted...
I mean, as the host of that game, I can assuredly say that while Ctes was wrong about your alignment, he was 100% correct about you lying about your role. Ask Sultan and BCT. I was going insane in DTC watching you half-lie about your role, to the point where I was deeply concerned that you didn't even understand your own role lol

And if it were an isolated incident, sure. But...

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MZero
03/11/24 10:06:33 PM
#325:


UltimaterializerX posted...
This finally reminded me to actually make a word file and save it for future reference instead of just typing it out from memory.

Ulti is scum. 100%. This is Hangut.

Ulti was Town Vanilla.

Nothing Ulti is doing makes any sense. He has to be scum. At the very least, hes lying about his role. -ctes

Ulti was Princess Peach, Town Clairvoyant.

Ulti is not a town vanilla with hidden conditions in his role PM that he could have possibly figured out ahead of time. -FD

Ulti was Jones, Town Even Night Vanilla/Watcher, which was hinted at in the role PM and he was the only one who figured out this game condition ahead of time.

I am an Ulti Whisperer, and he is absolutely scum here. -Lopen

Ulti was Leonardo DiCaprio, Town Vanilla.

No one date Kirby. Its my official t1p1 gut read this game. - Ulti

Kirby has been eliminated from the game. He was:

TOWN Vanilla - Sydney Sweeney

The old godfather + miller routine does not match this scum role, because the cop probably also scans a room and gets a similar result. You cant really fit g+m in with the wording. I would bet my entire reputation on Lea being scum. She is not a miller. - Ulti

Lea has been eliminated from the game.

She was: TOWN Miller - Zack Morris (Saved by the Bell)

At some point you guys need to stop assuming Lopen is being dumb chaotic town and just kill him.

Seriously, go read the kingmaker game. This is the exact same playbook. - Ulti

Lopen has been eliminated from the game!

He was: TOWN Vanilla - Boa Hancock (One Piece)

Sultan specifically is lock town and I do not want him touched. I feel like I can soul read him. This isnt reading like scum spew at all. - Ulti

Sultan was: SCUM Godfather - Taylor Swift

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Lopen
03/11/24 10:15:53 PM
#327:


Well thankfully it was a very brief block

You blocking me would be actually annoying unlike Crescent where it's more of a mercy if anything

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Lopen
03/11/24 10:24:30 PM
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Being harsh aside I'm actually being serious that you may actually want to try notes just to help you stay a BIT more consistent. Inconsistency causes lynches even if town does it too. I mean half the reason I was so tunneled on Kirby day 3 was he was saying a bunch of weird stuff that was easy to pick apart. Now that was admittedly a lot my fault I was probably tilting him so I mean I'm not saying it's something to rag on Kirby for but I do think Kirby was in a position for me to ignore him at the start of the day.

I'm not saying write a novel, just brief stuff you can look back at later in the game so your feelings are collected and consistent. Like changing your viewpoint or playstyle is fine but if no one can figure out any bit of how the viewpoint changed it comes off as scum motivated.

I do it sometimes actually. I would probably be better at the game if I did it more-- a lot of times I'm kicking myself like "hey you had a great idea here why did you let it go"

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Enchantress
03/11/24 10:33:22 PM
#330:


Lmao Mzero. I'm glad Lopen got unblocked or else be wouldn't be able to see the word document
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MZero
03/11/24 10:35:32 PM
#331:


Lopen posted...
I do it sometimes actually. I would probably be better at the game if I did it more-- a lot of times I'm kicking myself like "hey you had a great idea here why did you let it go"

yeah same. I totally forgot I was suspicious of FD earlier in the game, and then JC said something in our chat about him being town and I was like "yeah that sounds good" and never really considered him scum again after that. I also called Ulti town early based on my peaf reread but didn't stick to it. Actually my reads were pretty darn good overall except for Chris and I only got into trouble when I started to doubt them

Ulti I really think you could also explain yourself a little better when you change your mind. Instead of going from "let's triple kill" to "anyone suggesting triple kill is scum", maybe say "I thought about it more and I think triple kills aren't good for town because ___" and it would feel like a much more natural progression of thought

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Lopen
03/11/24 10:39:35 PM
#332:


Enchantress posted...
Lmao Mzero. I'm glad Lopen got unblocked or else be wouldn't be able to see the word document

Haha right

Yes Mzero that was excellent btw

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MZero
03/11/24 11:23:27 PM
#333:


Enchantress posted...
Lmao Mzero. I'm glad Lopen got unblocked or else be wouldn't be able to see the word document

Lopen posted...
Haha right

Yes Mzero that was excellent btw

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ctesjbuvf
03/12/24 6:16:33 AM
#335:


We went over it pretty nicely in DCT IIRC but it's a bit unfair to use me as quote for the Smash game because Ulti actually was lying about the role initially then I was night killed and the day after Ulti started being completely truthful about it. I was right about Ulti not telling exactly how his role worked at first though I reached the wrong conclusion about it lol.

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wallmasterz
03/12/24 6:39:06 AM
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fun fact theres been over 150 posts itt since the game ended

anyway carry on

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MZero
03/12/24 8:23:30 AM
#338:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Are people this incapable unless I think lmao lol because maybe isnt plastered all over everything?

well it would be nice to include I think but more important just an explanation of why you changed your mind. Otherwise it looks like you're just making stuff up

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PeaceFrog
03/12/24 10:09:16 AM
#339:


That's something they both share in common! So they should be able to hug that part out.

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Lopen
03/12/24 10:29:00 AM
#340:


MZero posted...
well it would be nice to include I think but more important just an explanation of why you changed your mind. Otherwise it looks like you're just making stuff up

Yeah it's this

I never say I think and jump around maybe more than you and people find it annoying but people don't usually find me scummy for it because my solving work is basically all shown

I definitely do too much of that but you need something otherwise it just comes off as opportunistic opinion changing rather than genuine

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SirChris
03/12/24 10:52:47 AM
#341:


You know if we had a system to iso posts it would be easier to question things without suspicion.

#mu

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wallmasterz
03/12/24 11:00:10 AM
#342:


All, as a friendly reminder deadline is in 8 hours.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/12/24 12:18:44 PM
#343:


SirChris posted...
You know if we had a system to iso posts it would be easier to question things without suspicion.

#mu

You could host a game and make us a sub server or something on Mu.

If you make it they will come lol


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Forceful_Dragon
03/12/24 1:48:37 PM
#344:


wallmasterz posted...
All, as a friendly reminder deadline is in 8 hours.

##Date: Wallz

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wallmasterz
03/13/24 8:00:55 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
##Date: Wallz

You really think Id sleep with scum?

youre absolutely right

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