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mustachedmystic
02/25/24 11:19:02 AM
#200:


Lots of things are threatening and dangerous. Mountain lions, drunks on the highway, etc. But there are demographics for whom are much more likely to do you harm than incels. For instance, a woman is more likely to be forcibly raped in a dark alley than shot by some incel in a mass shooting.

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 11:25:02 AM
#202:


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I don't care if you are trying to be nice or not lol.

Your argument isn't anymore anecdotal than mine. And you appear to be either relying on forum numbers to claim you must be correct, or anecdotal bubbles on the internet to claim you are correct like your one off article.

Anectodal examples of the negative use of the word male can be found as well. Circling back to the easy low hanging fruit example, beta males being used as an insult. As you can find plenty of articles, posts, videos and more using the word to be derogatory.

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hockeybabe89
02/25/24 11:26:54 AM
#203:


How about we don't say females OR males and just accept it and shut the fuck up?

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 11:28:09 AM
#205:


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What's cute is whatever this post is. Declaring you are right, Im guessing as a performance to those agree with you. Saying, "Thanks for playing"?

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MangaBroski
02/25/24 11:28:57 AM
#206:


Turbam posted...
It's a little odd how calling women female is seen as a red flag nowadays, but calling men males is pretty normal
The only time I hear men referred to as males is by women who have the same (lack of) respect for men akin to the men who call women females. Well, that and transphobes who are being transphobes.
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cjsdowg
02/25/24 11:29:00 AM
#207:


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Most rapist are not some lonely loser. This idea that people should watch out for the loser over everyone else is dangerous.

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VirtuousWrath
02/25/24 11:29:11 AM
#208:


Tbh, you have to explicitly specify biofem nowadays.

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hockeybabe89
02/25/24 11:30:06 AM
#209:


VirtuousWrath posted...
Tbh, you have to explicitly specify biofem nowadays.
specify to what and demanded by who?

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mustachedmystic
02/25/24 11:32:03 AM
#211:


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The dark alley rapist is most likely gonna be a garden variety criminal, not some dude that spends his free time on the net complaining that women arent clamoring to get with their loser asses

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TheOtherMike
02/25/24 11:32:04 AM
#212:


NatsuSama posted...
Anectodal examples of the negative use of the word male can be found as well. Circling back to the easy low hanging fruit example, beta males being used as an insult. As you can find plenty of articles, posts, videos and more using the word to be derogatory.

Incidentally, it's usually men referring to other men as "beta males." That also isn't the same context as some people (again, usually men) referring to all women as "females," since it singles out a subset. I will absolutely acknowledge that it's insulting and inappropriate, though.

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ellis123
02/25/24 11:32:22 AM
#213:


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Chuds do not win arguments by actually having a point, they win because they don't get banned after smearing feces all over a topic.

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pauIie
02/25/24 11:33:53 AM
#214:


it was never a part of my lexicon in that way.

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hockeybabe89
02/25/24 11:34:29 AM
#215:


mustachedmystic posted...
The dark alley rapist is most likely gonna be a garden variety criminal, not some dude that spends his free time on the net complaining that women arent clamoring to get with their loser asses
The rapist won't usually be in a dark alley, though.

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mustachedmystic
02/25/24 11:35:16 AM
#217:


hockeybabe89 posted...
The rapist won't usually be in a dark alley, though.
I know that.

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 11:35:41 AM
#218:


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So is your argument is to claim there are no examples of the low hanging fruit example I provided earlier of beta male being used as an insult? Just want clarification here, that you are honestly claiming beta and alpha male isn't a talking point in some circles with betas being the butt of negative insults. Given I already dropped a common example now of an insult being dropped.

Literally didn't take long to Google, but here you go.
https://proudintrovert.medium.com/angry-beta-males-are-the-true-toxic-males-in-society-b06072c3db48

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mustachedmystic
02/25/24 11:42:32 AM
#221:


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I hear you, and I dont disagree. But, take the population of people that commit hate crimes as a whole. What percentage of them are incels? One, maybe two percent? Incels are a tiny percentage of the population at large, they only seem like a problem due to the nature of the internet. Like juggalos and flat earthers.

Seriously though, autocorrect sucks, always changing words that arent in the dictionary, but when I actually misspell a word, where is it?


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TheOtherMike
02/25/24 11:42:39 AM
#222:


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That isn't even what I said. I'm saying "female" gets improperly used as a noun far more than "male" gets improperly used as a noun.

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 11:44:18 AM
#223:


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We agree here.

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We will have to agree to disagree here. As I don't agree.

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I can say the same in declaring you are right because you simply say so. Declaring the most agree with you because you say so. Or because someone else agrees with you.

Going back to an earlier post, if "woman" is the example you are looking for take a gander over to redpill content. They constantly bash women, and say women in a negative context. Here's a common meme
https://youtu.be/grn5W8m9MeQ?si=GABAa533CtIm7Cqt
Meme is just an example, the content they post specifically say "women" and constantly refer to womrn in a negative context.

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Bass
02/25/24 11:46:30 AM
#225:


Dakimakura posted...
Never did to begin with.


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CSCA33
02/25/24 11:47:29 AM
#226:


VirtuousWrath posted...
Tbh, you have to explicitly specify biofem nowadays.
why are you peddling this transphobic nonsense now


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NatsuSama
02/25/24 11:49:05 AM
#227:


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I dont just mean the meme itself. I mean redpill content itself. The meme is just a common meme I see posted often by red pillers.

Anyway, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 11:57:36 AM
#229:


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Opinions aren't all equal and neither is all universities and studies. There are many things that wasn't studied in a university until it was, and there are many things that might not ever be studied.

Citing a particular or several universities doesn't change there's a plethora of people like red pillers using the word "women" in a derogatory and negative context to refer to things they don't like about what a woman says or does. Redpill content alone, and even non red pillers who toss the word out to negatively refer to a woman who does something they aren't particularly fond of or think a woman can't do.

That's why I said agree to disagree. We aren't going to see eye to eye on this particular point.

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CSCA33
02/25/24 12:01:17 PM
#231:


NatsuSama posted...
Opinions aren't all equal and neither is all universities and studies. There are many things that wasn't studied in a university until it was, and there are many things that might not ever be studied.

Citing a particular university doesn't change there's a plethora of people like red pillers using the word "women" in a derogatory and negative context to refer to things they don't like about what a woman says or does.

That's why I said agree to disagree. We aren't going to see eye to eye on this particular point.
Like toxic masculinity? That is another driving force behind referring to women as females and saying stuff like dont cry, stop acting like a girl as misogyny.

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 12:02:52 PM
#232:


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I posted several examples, you just don't accept it and declared you posted better evidence.

As I've seen no examples from you it's definitively used more than "women." Hell, even the word "bitch" is used more.

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mustachedmystic
02/25/24 12:03:45 PM
#233:


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Ok, I will agree that incels are a threat to women, and so are microplastics. I am saying they arent a big threat to women. The GOP by orders of magnitude are a much larger concern.

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TheOtherMike
02/25/24 12:07:15 PM
#235:


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That's interesting. Is it usually women you hear doing this? I'm a gay man with a lot of female friends. We tend to gab about guys when we drink, but I've never heard this except for the one example (a coworker) I mentioned before who used both "male" and "female" almost exclusively as nouns. Like, she'd ask me "how's your male doing?" in reference to my boyfriend, or say "that female" when referring to a customer or coworker.

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Why do you think there aren't similar articles/videos/discussions/study programs about misusing "males?" MRA dudes are whiny enough I'd expect them to be vocal about it. Just different priorities between men and women? Fewer MRA's relative to feminists? Or are these discussions out there, but I just can't find them?

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CSCA33
02/25/24 12:10:03 PM
#236:


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I think I like it.

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ellis123
02/25/24 12:10:15 PM
#237:


TheOtherMike posted...
Why do you think there aren't similar articles/videos/discussions/study programs about misusing "males?"
Because society is built under the presupposition that a man is the perspective by default and everything else is "other." Hence why "internalized misogyny" is a thing while "internalized misandry" is not.

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The_Apologist
02/25/24 12:16:38 PM
#239:


ellis123 posted...
Hence why "internalized misogyny" is a thing while "internalized misandry" is not.

'Internalized misandry' is another term for toxic masculinity. But you're right about why the term is less used: men are considered the default, and this often makes their issues invisible in gender discourse, which focuses on otherness.
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TheOtherMike
02/25/24 12:20:01 PM
#240:


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Huh. I mean, I've seen similar comments irl and online, but always "man/men" and not "male(s)."

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True. It sucks.

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ellis123
02/25/24 12:22:27 PM
#241:


The_Apologist posted...
'Internalized misandry' is another term for toxic masculinity. But you're right about why the term is less used: men are considered the default, and this often makes their issues invisible in gender discourse, which focuses on otherness.
True, though the difference in terms being used is relevant as to the usage. Internalized misandry would be actively viewing yourself as inherently lesser while toxic masculinity is more the reverse. It's the same as how toxic femininity is things like TERFs: being aggressive about a "betterness" in a preconceived notion of a gender is the important distinction between the two even if the vast majority of what the two are is the same.

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NatsuSama
02/25/24 12:25:37 PM
#242:


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The_Apologist
02/25/24 12:29:17 PM
#243:


ellis123 posted...
Internalized misandry would be actively viewing yourself as inherently lesser

Anyone who lets their sense of self be dictated by the traditional concept of masculinity (or femininity) is thereby 'viewing themselves as inherently lesser'. This is the fundamental reason why traditional masculinity and femininity are 'toxic'.
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Xenogears15
02/25/24 12:30:17 PM
#245:


I've never called women "females" outside of particular cases, i.e., medical terminology. Even growing up in a black household, my father made it very fucking clear with his fists that I was not to address women that way (reinforced by my mother over the years, too, just much less violently).

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SauI_Goodman
02/25/24 12:47:20 PM
#247:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
theres a place for the word female, usually in a scientific or anatomy sense.

People who use female when just referring to women tho, are usually weird as hell

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What's your gender?
Woman.

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ellis123
02/25/24 12:53:31 PM
#248:


The_Apologist posted...
Anyone who lets their sense of self be dictated by the traditional concept of masculinity (or femininity) is thereby 'viewing themselves as inherently lesser'. This is the fundamental reason why traditional masculinity and femininity are 'toxic'.
Not really? Everyone inherently allows their sense of self to be dictated by societal norms and that doesn't make you lesser in any real way. The problem comes from what those norms are and how they interact with others. Toxic masculinity is unfair to ones self, yes, but it is primarily something you thrust onto others. Inversely internalized misogyny is something that you push onto yourself. You may be weak to give into toxic masculinity but your feelings about yourself are not those of weakness of false bravado.

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The_Apologist
02/25/24 1:07:37 PM
#250:


ellis123 posted...
Everyone inherently allows their sense of self to be dictated by societal norms and that doesn't make you lesser in any real way.

Sure it does. Thinking for oneself is always better than being a mere product of social circumstances. I'm not saying that authenticity is easy, though.

ellis123 posted...
The problem comes from what those norms are and how they interact with others.

That's an additional problem in this case, yes. Traditional masculinity and femininity both portray a human being as 'less than' what they could and should be without those gender norms. They place artificial and damaging restrictions on what a person is.
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