Current Events > Have you learned to stopped calling women "female"?

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Not something I usually call women, but would someone care to explain what the problem is? Why would this be an issue?

The first person I heard say "female" as a noun to refer to women was a misogynist. Whenever I hear "female/s" used as a known, it carries that same misogyny. The context always tries to other (verb) women as being so different from men that they either cannot understand each other or outright dismissive to the thoughts, feelings, and concerns women might have.

Women who say "males" in the same usually carry the same mentality when it comes to how they view men.

This is obvious when we consider parallel constructions like 'the children', which has no anti-child connotation.

several of the set phrases "the children" tends to actually be used in have strong cultural baggage of their own ("think of the children", "save the children" in certain contexts).

Also, I don't see any baggage in a sentence like "I met the parents yesterday, but I won't be meeting the kids until next week."

Fair (though I will point out that is referring to a very definite group of kids and not being used to generalize).

But the point is that there's no inherent negativity in using noun or 'the [noun]' constructions. Also, I don't see any baggage in a sentence like "I met the parents yesterday, but I won't be meeting the kids until next week."

Men, women, children, humans, Americans, citizens, consumers, gamers, etc. Why are any of these 'reductive'? Why are they more 'reductive' in this form compared to using an adjective instead?

Isn't this the dude that said Neo-nazis and child rapists shouldn't be judged for what they do?

The inherent negatively is in using an adjective as a noun.

Wait, seriously? When?

So we're back to "The Romans defeated the Gauls". I don't see any anti-Roman or anti-Gaul sentiment in that statement.

I guess 'Gaul' isn't an adjective. Better example: "The Greeks defeated the Persians".

Because those are nouns.

They're nouns formed from adjectives. Like 'female'.

(Not that I'm defending referring to women as 'females', by the way. I agree that's cringe. But the idea that it's cringe because of grammatical considerations is just braindead.)

And actually, now that I look into it, 'female' was arguably a noun long before it was an adjective. It's derived from Latin femina, a noun meaning 'woman'.

Isn't this the dude that said Neo-nazis and child rapists shouldn't be judged for what they do?

And actually, now that I look into it, 'female' was arguably a noun long before it was an adjective. It's derived from Latin femina, a noun meaning 'woman'.

They're nouns formed from adjectives.

No, still off base. It can be problematic because it can be dehumanizing and othering, or downright misogynistic. This isnt about grammatical considerations.

Nah, in English it was an adjective first because wif (later wifman > woman) still filled the role of 'adult human female' at the time of its introduction into English after the invasion. A wif is specifically human, female was not; it was the antonym of masculin

No they aren't.

Found it in my posts. Was an interesting topic to reread.
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Any scenario its ok to call a dude a male, its also ok to call a gal a female. Anyone who disagrees has a screw loose

I know of women who take issue with "woman" so it's really a crapshoot. Just say what you like.

So you're claiming that 'Persian' was a noun first, and later became an adjective? How do you know?

No, I'm not. Which "came first" is irrelevant to noun derivation, and "Persian" in the context you used is not a derivative noun.

So you're agreeing with my point. Noun versus adjective doesn't matter.

Dang, champ. Another swing and a miss?

So I'm thinking it's highly likely that words like 'Persian' started as adjectives and then became nouns.

Which "came first" is irrelevant to noun derivation

Which "came first" is irrelevant to noun derivation

I thought you were claiming that people who use 'female' as a noun are taking an adjective and turning it into a noun. My mistake.