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tremain07
11/10/23 7:12:49 PM
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iza. Know why? Because all three of them didn't need any God ki to get to their ridiculous strength's Jiren's still the GOAT tho

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Ratchetrockon
11/10/23 7:15:14 PM
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are goku and vegeta frieza's punching bags atm?

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LordFarquad1312
11/10/23 7:15:26 PM
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In that case Krillin is the strongest since he doesn't use resinous transformations or cybernetic augmentations.

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Irony
11/10/23 7:16:09 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
In that case Krillin is the strongest since he doesn't use resinous transformations or cybernetic augmentations.
But he does get eliminated first in the tournament of power like a bitch

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DrizztLink
11/10/23 7:16:35 PM
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In that case Chiaotzu is the strongest because he's a creepy little clownboy and nobody wants to touch him.

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A_Good_Boy
11/10/23 7:17:38 PM
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tremain07 posted...
God ki
God ki is the stupidest story telling device to ever exist. Literally made itself irrelevant 5 minutes after it was introduced lol.

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tremain07
11/10/23 7:20:22 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
are goku and vegeta frieza's punching bags atm?
Yeah
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3c6e8a7c.jpg
True Ultra Instinct Signs Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta were no match for Black Freiza

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chaos_knight
11/10/23 7:21:19 PM
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Frieza is way beyond anyone right now. Except for Beerus probably, who would bitch slap him because no one is allowed to be near him in terms of total power ever.

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Irony
11/10/23 7:22:08 PM
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Pretty sure every angel could beat him too

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s0nicfan
11/10/23 7:24:36 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Frieza is way beyond anyone right now. Except for Beerus probably, who would bitch slap him because no one is allowed to be near him in terms of total power ever.

Beerus is a chump compared to Whiz. He doesn't even have ultra instinct mastered like Goku does.

And whiz is probably a chump compared to the head angel.

And super introduced the idea that Goku's universe is one of the weakest out of all of them.

Super basically laid out enough runway for Goku and Vegeta to get stronger consistently for like the next 30 years.

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tremain07
11/10/23 7:29:29 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
God ki is the stupidest story telling device to ever exist. Literally made itself irrelevant 5 minutes after it was introduced lol.
God ki is how they got the red, blue,white and purple forms it's not irrelevant , God ki is how in the anime goku was even able to stack his kaioken on his blue all god ki has done is told us that without it Goku and Vegeta's peaks were Super saiyan 2 and Super saiyan 3 but really Super saiyan 2 because even now despite all of this time super saiyan 3's stamina drain STILL can't be overcome and Future Trunks when he returned was as strong as a super saiyan 3 despite still only having super saiyan 2. Super saiyan 3 to this day still only has 1 victory, against a mindless beast that didn't understand what was going on or care

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The_Popo
11/10/23 7:30:05 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/582a829f.jpg

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Ratchetrockon
11/10/23 7:31:28 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Yeah
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3c6e8a7c.jpg
True Ultra Instinct Signs Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta were no match for Black Freiza

Damn dude

Goku and Vegeta always get beat up these days. They are past their prime lol

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tremain07
11/10/23 7:33:04 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
Goku and Vegeta always get beat up these days. They are past their prime lol
These days? It's always been like this,

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StealThisSheen
11/10/23 7:34:01 PM
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17 is the MVP, and that is clearly all that matters.

EDIT: I'm obviously joking, but... Fuck it. I love ToP's 17 characterization. Yes, I get it feels like a power reach, but most things he does are less... Power related, and more... He's just straight up more intelligent than Goku/Vegeta/Frieza/etc., so he knows exactly how and when to play his cards.

EDIT EDIT: And, to be fair, I love the moment when... Jiren figures it out, since... During the assault from the final 3, he tries to ignore Goku/Frieza and take out 17, since he clearly figured out 17's plan. He just fails since he underestimated how willingly Goku/Frieza would work together.

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ellis123
11/10/23 7:34:27 PM
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Ye, now the only change is that Frieza is just One Punch Man but played straight. Oh, and Goku got a full on lobotomy.

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A_Good_Boy
11/10/23 7:36:16 PM
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tremain07 posted...
God ki is how they got the red, blue,white and purple forms it's not irrelevant , God ki is how in the anime goku was even able to stack his kaioken on his blue all god ki has done is told us that without it Goku and Vegeta's peaks were Super saiyan 2 and Super saiyan 3 but really Super saiyan 2 because even now despite all of this time super saiyan 3's stamina drain STILL can't be overcome and Future Trunks when he returned was as strong as a super saiyan 3 despite still only having super saiyan 2. Super saiyan 3 to this day still only has 1 victory, against a mindless beast that didn't understand what was going on or care
I say it's irrelevant because the series introduced it under the premise that the only way to achieve peak power is to utilize and master God chi. God chi is supposed to be such a tier above anything that when regular chi is compared to it it's like being an ant at the base of a mountain and trying to fathom the peak. Well despite the fact that Goku and Vegeta are the only ones using this divine source of power, literally everyone they fight still manages to put the hurt on them anyways. God chi ain't worth the hype if all Frieza has to do is do a few push-ups for a few months and he's at God chi tier without having God chi.

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Ivany2008
11/10/23 7:36:18 PM
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Give it a few chapters and Goku will rise above Black Frieza. That's the way it always works. Guaranteed he'll be trained by Grand Priest next.
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tremain07
11/10/23 7:37:35 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
17 is the MVP, and that is clearly all that matters.

EDIT: I'm obviously joking, but... Fuck it. I love ToP's 17 characterization. Yes, I get it feels like a power reach, but most things he does are less... Power related, and more... He's just straight up more intelligent than Goku/Vegeta/Frieza/etc., so he knows exactly how and when to play his cards.
Androids are honestly slept on, 17, 18, Gamma 1, Gamma 2, 21. All so strong, never tire and they don't even have ki

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rideshort
11/10/23 7:38:16 PM
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In terms of mortals? Currently Frieza

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StealThisSheen
11/10/23 7:39:32 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Androids are honestly slept on, 17, 18, Gamma 1, Gamma 2, 21. All so strong, never tire and they don't even have ki

This is the key. That's why it's so believable how 17 got so strong, since... He doesn't have to train as hard as Goku does, since he could train for longer, since he never gets tired. And since he didn't take part in some of the bigger stuff in between, like Buu saga and so on, it's believable... He was training, even if at a lesser pace, literally the entire time.

I honestly feel like the Tournament of Power was done so well on many regards, since it shows stuff like Goku/Vegeta/Frieza's raw power, while showing that 17, who may not match them on raw power, had the intelligence to make his own power work, since he clearly trained, himself. And even Jiren recognized it. Jiren's issue wasn't that he underestimated how strong they were, his issue was that he underestimated how well they would work together, since he, himself, pushed people away in order to focus on becoming stronger.

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Unsuprised_Pika
11/10/23 7:41:56 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
Damn dude

Goku and Vegeta always get beat up these days. They are past their prime lol

Vegeta in early DBZ got his tail cut by YAJIROBE and was beaten by Gohan ACCIDENTALLY. He also got extremely close to death by the Ginyu squad AND Zarbon and Freiza actually killed him.

Similar story for Goku. Dude had to do a suicide combo attack to kill raditz. He needed a ton of help to beat Vegeta by the skin of his teeth. Freiza toyed with him until he went Super Saiyan. He didn't lose much in Cell saga because he was sidelined the whole time with heart virus and hyperbolic time chamber hax but he wasn't enough to beat Cell.

They get wrecked all the time. Vegeta gets it worse because he isn't the face of the Manga but its always been this way. They rarely win the BIG fights of the arc by just straight up being stronger and more skilled.

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Ratchetrockon
11/10/23 7:47:49 PM
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tremain07 posted...
These days? It's always been like this,

Ok ur right

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tremain07
11/10/23 7:48:13 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
He didn't lose much in Cell saga because he was sidelined the whole time with heart virus and hyperbolic time chamber hax but he wasn't enough to beat Cell.
Yeah, Goku has a shit record his first solo win with no actual help was against Moro and even that is stained because he needed Uub's ki to act as a battery for him

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Ratchetrockon
11/10/23 7:49:13 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Vegeta in early DBZ got his tail cut by YAJIROBE and was beaten by Gohan ACCIDENTALLY. He also got extremely close to death by the Ginyu squad AND Zarbon and Freiza actually killed him.

Similar story for Goku. Dude had to do a suicide combo attack to kill raditz. He needed a ton of help to beat Vegeta by the skin of his teeth. Freiza toyed with him until he went Super Saiyan. He didn't lose much in Cell saga because he was sidelined the whole time with heart virus and hyperbolic time chamber hax but he wasn't enough to beat Cell.

They get wrecked all the time. Vegeta gets it worse because he isn't the face of the Manga but its always been this way. They rarely win the BIG fights of the arc by just straight up being stronger and more skilled.


Damn so they are weaker than I thought.
I thought since these guys are powerscaled to be 9th dimensional beings (by particular ppl) that they wouldn't lose that often.

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rideshort
11/10/23 7:53:09 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
Damn so they are weaker than I thought.
I thought since these guys are powerscaled to be 9th dimensional beings (by particular ppl) that they wouldn't lose that often.

It wouldn't be that good of a story if the main characters don't get their asses handed to them. They lucky Beerus loves Earth's food.

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MICHALECOLE
11/10/23 7:54:21 PM
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rideshort posted...
It wouldn't be that good of a story if the main characters don't get their asses handed to them. They lucky Beerus loves Earth's food.
I read a comic where beerus loved Bulma
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tremain07
11/10/23 7:56:31 PM
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No, they lose a lot any time they win is the result of team work or another character doing it Goku defeated Freiza but it didn't kill him Future Trunks killed him on his own, Goku didn't beat Cell, Gohan did and even then Gohan only did because Vegeta managed to distract Cell enough for him to win the beam clash, The spirit bomb killed Buu, Beerus was satisfied so he didn't blow everybody up, Goku had to sneak attack Golden Freiza, Goku lost to Hit in a straight fight but Hit foreitted officially, Zamasu outright defeated both Goku and Vegeta when their fusion ran out, Asspull Sword Trunks followed by Asspull Zeno killed him for good, Goku nor Vegeta nor Frieza could put Jiren down, Jiren had to be pushed out of the ring after being exhausted fighting them by Goku and Freiza together, Vegeta had to watch after being bested by Jiren and giving the last of his energy to Goku, Broly easily beat Goku and Vegeta once he went nuts, Gogeta would have killed him had it not been for his green mom, Moro had Goku beat but by then Moro's sanity was so far gone he had no idea who he was or what he was even doing anymore and was going to blow up, Granola easily defeated both Goku and Vegeta in their strongest forms back to back and so did Gas and most recently Gohan even ponders if Goku and Vegeta would even stand a chance against Cell Max. Those two are strong but there's lots of guys out there who can give them the hands and now we see with Daima that they've been reduced to children by unknown means

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Flauros
11/10/23 7:56:42 PM
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Didnt Freiza also one tap someone who used the Dragon Balls to wish to become the most powerful being in the universe?

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StealThisSheen
11/10/23 7:57:23 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
I read a comic where beerus loved Bulma

Because Bulma prepares food for him. He loves the food Bulma makes.

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chaos_knight
11/10/23 7:57:38 PM
#31:


Flauros posted...
Didnt Freiza also one tap someone who used the Dragon Balls to wish to become the most powerful being in the universe?

No. Two others did.

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MICHALECOLE
11/10/23 7:59:14 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Because Bulma prepares food for him. He loves the food Bulma makes.
No this was when he said he was tired of the food and he was going to destroy the planet, but she said no! And gave him another reason
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StealThisSheen
11/10/23 8:00:37 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
No this was when he said he was tired of the food and he was going to destroy the planet, but she said no! And gave him another reason

When was this? The Beerus/Bulma link is typically food related. So I'm not completely sure what you're referring to. With more details, that will help.

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MICHALECOLE
11/10/23 8:01:29 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
When was this? The Beerus/Bulma link is typically food related.
Im not sure of the timeline, all I know is beerus REALLY liked what he got. Bulma seemed to enjoy it too!
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StealThisSheen
11/10/23 8:02:26 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Im not sure of the timeline, all I know is beerus REALLY liked what he got. Bulma seemed to enjoy it too!

Oh, so you're just making up shit to troll. Got it.

Dragon Ball is serious business, lad.

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MICHALECOLE
11/10/23 8:03:00 PM
#36:


Dude Im talking about porn

Jesus
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StealThisSheen
11/10/23 8:03:30 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Dude Im talking about porn

Jesus

Serious. Business.

We got no time for your porn. Go back to writing fantasy porn scenarios about Clippy from Microsoft Office or whatever.

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chaos_knight
11/10/23 8:06:16 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Dude Im talking about porn

Jesus

Beerus x Chillai. Rule 34

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Gobstoppers12
11/10/23 8:06:22 PM
#39:


Broly probably has the highest power ceiling of any of them, but the fact he can't control himself at full power holds him back from actually accomplishing much with it.

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Srk700
11/10/23 8:11:52 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
I read a comic where beerus loved Bulma

Whatever the case, Bulma is old news for Beerus now. Now he has the hots for Cheelai (green Frieza Force woman that befriended DBS Broly).
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Guide
11/10/23 8:31:27 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Beerus x Chillai. Rule 34

You shut the FUCK

UP

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Flauros
11/10/23 8:33:02 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a2b92c24.jpghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/801afdd5.jpg
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Guide
11/10/23 8:36:15 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b0df00da.jpg

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MICHALECOLE
11/10/23 8:37:02 PM
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Guide posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b0df00da.jpg
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Guide
11/10/23 8:38:39 PM
#45:


MICHALECOLE posted...
her neck must be super long

How else she gonna handle Broly?

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chaos_knight
11/10/23 8:52:11 PM
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She might be half Namekian for all we know.

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LordFarquad1312
11/10/23 8:57:39 PM
#47:


chaos_knight posted...
She might be half Namekian for all we know.
There's no "half namekian".

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MICHALECOLE
11/10/23 9:00:22 PM
#48:


LordFarquad1312 posted...
There's no "half namekian".
Shut up nerd
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Guide
11/10/23 9:01:49 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
There's no "half namekian".

Sure there is, just gotta bend their arm behind their back. Half nelson, half namekian.

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