Current Events > Time Magazine: Biden support from Arab Americans plummets

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hockeybub89 10/31/23 7:23:42 PM #101:	Doe posted... Riiight. So how much does Biden want to win that election vs how much does he want to continue enabling an ethnic cleansing. Sounds like a hard choice. Guess we better let the side that thinks that ethnic cleansing is required to bring Jesus back win then! Dooming hundreds of millions of Americans alongside the Gazans surely is the solution! --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976964251] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Riiight. So how much does Biden want to win that election vs how much does he want to continue enabling an ethnic cleansing. Sounds like a hard choice.</quote>Guess we better let the side that thinks that ethnic cleansing is required to bring Jesus back win then! Dooming hundreds of millions of Americans alongside the Gazans surely is the solution! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 10/31/23 7:24:29 PM #102:	hockeybub89 posted... Guess we better let the side that things that ethnic cleansing is required to bring Jesus back win then! Dooming hundreds of millions of Americans alongside the Gazans surely is the solution! Or we ask Biden to do the right thing --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976964262] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>Guess we better let the side that things that ethnic cleansing is required to bring Jesus back win then! Dooming hundreds of millions of Americans alongside the Gazans surely is the solution!</quote>Or we ask Biden to do the right thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/31/23 7:25:24 PM #103:	A poll is not an election. You can make the moral calculus lesser evil arguments when it comes to entering a voting booth, but we're a year away from anyone doing that. When asked if they approve of the job being done by the guy currently abetting genocide, should Americans of any ethnicity say yes? --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:976964273] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>A poll is not an election. You can make the moral calculus lesser evil arguments when it comes to entering a voting booth, but we're a year away from anyone doing that. When asked if they approve of the job being done by the guy currently abetting genocide, should Americans of any ethnicity say yes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pretzelcoatl 10/31/23 7:27:10 PM #104:	Xenogears15 posted... Nah, it won't. The Arab Muslim population, while growing, is still too small to matter much. The only place where this might make a difference is MI, but there are other factors at play there that make me believe that whatever negativity he gets from supporting Israel will be negated in that state. If you think waning support for Biden is limited to a single demographic then you're in for a rude awakening <cite>pretzelcoatl posted [p:976964308] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>Nah, it won't. The Arab Muslim population, while growing, is still too small to matter much. The only place where this might make a difference is MI, but there are other factors at play there that make me believe that whatever negativity he gets from supporting Israel will be negated in that state.</quote>If you think waning support for Biden is limited to a single demographic then you're in for a rude awakening </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/31/23 7:27:26 PM #105:	Antifar posted... A poll is not an election. You can make the moral calculus lesser evil arguments when it comes to entering a voting booth, but we're a year away from anyone doing that. When asked if they approve of the job being done by the guy currently abetting genocide, should Americans of any ethnicity say yes? There were specific arguments about voting though. Biden has to win even if 99% of us disapprove of him for this and anything else. And honestly, that pisses me off, but it's the unfortunate reality. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976964315] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite><quote>A poll is not an election. You can make the moral calculus lesser evil arguments when it comes to entering a voting booth, but we're a year away from anyone doing that. When asked if they approve of the job being done by the guy currently abetting genocide, should Americans of any ethnicity say yes?</quote>There were specific arguments about voting though. Biden has to win even if 99% of us disapprove of him for this and anything else. And honestly, that pisses me off, but it's the unfortunate reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Daremo 10/31/23 7:28:18 PM #106:	Doe posted... Excuse me. What I'm trying to tell you is that speaking about the reaction of an entire ethnic group of Americans' reactions to the horrors in Gaza and the US president's support of it as "irrational", and insinuating they're responding childishly, makes you sound like an insensitive dick. Responding to being told that you're speaking patronizingly about an entire ethnic group of Americans with "Actually, I decide what I say is best for them", makes you sound like a racist. And you ignoring what I actually said in favour of the strawman you continue to attack says what about you? --- Cynic, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary <cite>Daremo posted [p:976964340] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Excuse me. What I'm trying to tell you is that speaking about the reaction of an entire ethnic group of Americans' reactions to the horrors in Gaza and the US president's support of it as "irrational", and insinuating they're responding childishly, makes you sound like an insensitive dick. Responding to being told that you're speaking patronizingly about an entire ethnic group of Americans with "Actually, I decide what I say is best for them", makes you sound like a racist.</quote>And you ignoring what I actually said in favour of the strawman you continue to attack says what about you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/31/23 7:28:41 PM #107:	Doe posted... as voters we have the possibility to get him to change his mind. No we don't. That's the thing. The president and Congress literally don't care about what we think. If you want to change the presidency, you start from the bottom up getting more amenable politicians elected in lower offices. You elect politicians you already agree with. You don't try to influence politicians after you've elected them. That doesn't work in a 2 party system. When it comes to the president, you vote for the one who will not obstruct your efforts elsewhere e.g. gerrymandering, voter suppression, legalized discrimination, etc. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:976964349] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>as voters we have the possibility to get him to change his mind.</quote>No we don't. That's the thing. The president and Congress literally don't care about what we think. If you want to change the presidency, you start from the bottom up getting more amenable politicians elected in lower offices.You elect politicians you already agree with. You don't try to influence politicians after you've elected them. That doesn't work in a 2 party system. When it comes to the president, you vote for the one who will not obstruct your efforts elsewhere e.g. gerrymandering, voter suppression, legalized discrimination, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 10/31/23 7:29:43 PM #108:	Ahh, the liberals back on the "vote for the racist man or it your fault a racist do bad things to you" argument. They use it for the black population too. No one want to vote for a person that does evil shit. They rather stay home. Atleast if the republican wins, there no moron telling you to tolerate it anyway, and it will embolden democratic turnout for the next cycle, likely bringing about more progressive candidates that bring out what you want. Being content don't bring out candidates like AOC and other progressives. --- Yourself, your loves ones and your community before all else. The rest is distractions to keep you from what matters in this life. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:976964364] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Ahh, the liberals back on the "vote for the racist man or it your fault a racist do bad things to you" argument. They use it for the black population too. No one want to vote for a person that does evil shit. They rather stay home. Atleast if the republican wins, there no moron telling you to tolerate it anyway, and it will embolden democratic turnout for the next cycle, likely bringing about more progressive candidates that bring out what you want. Being content don't bring out candidates like AOC and other progressives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 10/31/23 7:30:20 PM #109:	pretzelcoatl posted... If you think waning support for Biden is limited to a single demographic then you're in for a rude awakening Yep He tanking amongst democrats and independents in general. --- Yourself, your loves ones and your community before all else. The rest is distractions to keep you from what matters in this life. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:976964378] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>pretzelcoatl posted... </cite><quote>If you think waning support for Biden is limited to a single demographic then you're in for a rude awakening</quote>YepHe tanking amongst democrats and independents in general. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 10/31/23 7:32:06 PM #110:	Teddytalks posted... it will embolden democratic turnout for the next cycle Did you miss the part where republicans tried to overthrow the country in order to stay in power permanently? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:976964408] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Teddytalks posted... </cite><quote>it will embolden democratic turnout for the next cycle</quote>Did you miss the part where republicans tried to overthrow the country in order to stay in power permanently? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pretzelcoatl 10/31/23 7:32:45 PM #111:	Southernfatman posted... I hate the Democratic party, but sadly they're our only option. The only other is fascism which will cause even more suffering and death. That's the reality of it. It sucks, but that's it. The fascist Republican party must be destroyed. After that sights must be set on tearing down the Democratic party. Should basically everyone else be damned as well? You can't try to teach Dems a lesson for the next election because there most likely won't be elections after that. Call me patronizing and ignorant all you want, but that's the reality and nothing changes that. There are actually two options, and the more establishment Democrat politicians smugly ring the "I'm your only real option" bell, the more likely another 2016 will happen. Whether or not you want to accept it, polling for Biden has not looked great for a couple months now. They don't have goodwill to burn at this point. <cite>pretzelcoatl posted [p:976964417] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite><quote>I hate the Democratic party, but sadly they're our only option. The only other is fascism which will cause even more suffering and death. That's the reality of it. It sucks, but that's it. The fascist Republican party must be destroyed. After that sights must be set on tearing down the Democratic party. Should basically everyone else be damned as well? You can't try to teach Dems a lesson for the next election because there most likely won't be elections after that. Call me patronizing and ignorant all you want, but that's the reality and nothing changes that.</quote>There are actually two options, and the more establishment Democrat politicians smugly ring the "I'm your only real option" bell, the more likely another 2016 will happen.Whether or not you want to accept it, polling for Biden has not looked great for a couple months now. They don't have goodwill to burn at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 10/31/23 7:34:58 PM #112:	Tyranthraxus posted... No we don't. That's the thing. The president and Congress literally don't care about what we think. If you genuinely believe this then answer isn't to play softball inside the system, it's revolution. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976964456] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>No we don't. That's the thing. The president and Congress literally don't care about what we think. </quote>If you genuinely believe this then answer isn't to play softball inside the system, it's revolution. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Neoconkers 10/31/23 7:37:20 PM #113:	2024: I know the democrats openly supported the ethnic cleansing of your relatives, but the republicans can't win! 2028: I know the democrats are still openly antagonising you and haven't helped any of your problems, but the republicans can't win! 2032: stop holding democrats to account for their actions! do you want the republicans to win??? this is the whole "it's her turn" entitled bullshit campaign that lost clinton the 2016 election, ignoring blocks of voters because "well they need to vote for us because the alternative is worse, we can ignore them this cycle" --- . <cite>Neoconkers posted [p:976964496] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>2024: I know the democrats openly supported the ethnic cleansing of your relatives, but the republicans can't win!2028: I know the democrats are still openly antagonising you and haven't helped any of your problems, but the republicans can't win!2032: stop holding democrats to account for their actions! do you want the republicans to win???this is the whole "it's her turn" entitled bullshit campaign that lost clinton the 2016 election, ignoring blocks of voters because "well they need to vote for us because the alternative is worse, we can ignore them this cycle" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 10/31/23 7:39:35 PM #114:	Meanwhile when in 2032, the American Crusades happen and anyone who isn't a Christian is purged, but AT LEAST they voted for their conscience and showed those Democrats they won't put up with the status quo! --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:976964531] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile when in 2032, the American Crusades happen and anyone who isn't a Christian is purged, but AT LEAST they voted for their conscience and showed those Democrats they won't put up with the status quo! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 10/31/23 7:41:58 PM #115:	Democracy, n. A system in which the public must submit their opinions on genocide to the president's reelection concerns --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:976964565] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Democracy, n. A system in which the public must submit their opinions on genocide to the president's reelection concerns </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/31/23 7:43:33 PM #116:	Shadow_Don posted... Which totally supports the point you tried to make that trump would be better on Gaza than Biden and Obama right now? Yeah, Obama destroyed more countries. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976964597] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Which totally supports the point you tried to make that trump would be better on Gaza than Biden and Obama right now?</quote>Yeah, Obama destroyed more countries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Neoconkers 10/31/23 7:52:48 PM #117:	wanderingshade posted... Meanwhile when in 2032, the American Crusades happen and anyone who isn't a Christian is purged, but AT LEAST they voted for their conscience and showed those Democrats they won't put up with the status quo! ok what avenues do they have to affect the country they live in? the point of a democracy is that we all have a say, if voting is no longer an option for change because "it's their turn", then what SHOULD they do? --- . <cite>Neoconkers posted [p:976964759] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>Meanwhile when in 2032, the American Crusades happen and anyone who isn't a Christian is purged, but AT LEAST they voted for their conscience and showed those Democrats they won't put up with the status quo!</quote>ok what avenues do they have to affect the country they live in? the point of a democracy is that we all have a say, if voting is no longer an option for change because "it's their turn", then what SHOULD they do? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/31/23 7:56:06 PM #118:	Doe posted... If you genuinely believe this then answer isn't to play softball inside the system, it's revolution. Revolution is not going to happen in a country where an overwhelming number of people are living in comfort. So we're playing softball. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:976964824] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>If you genuinely believe this then answer isn't to play softball inside the system, it's revolution.</quote>Revolution is not going to happen in a country where an overwhelming number of people are living in comfort. So we're playing softball. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 10/31/23 7:58:18 PM #120:	Tyranthraxus posted... Revolution is not going to happen in a country where an overwhelming number of people are living in comfort. Except that time in 1776, what country was that? --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976964859] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Revolution is not going to happen in a country where an overwhelming number of people are living in comfort. </quote>Except that time in 1776, what country was that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aarrgus 10/31/23 7:59:15 PM #121:	Zero_Destroyer posted... Polling for Biden is disastrous and all Dem operatives are doing is plugging their ears and pretending it goes away. It's familiar arrogance that is going to f* a lot of people over unless they run a new candidate or walk s* back. Elections are just as much about who you are running against as who you are. Biden is fine. Stop with the bullshit sky is falling panic. No one is ignoring it, it's just not relevant at the moment. --- Last night I was lying in bed, staring at the stars, and I wondered... Where the *** is my roof?* <cite>aarrgus posted [p:976964879] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Zero_Destroyer posted... </cite><quote>Polling for Biden is disastrous and all Dem operatives are doing is plugging their ears and pretending it goes away. It's familiar arrogance that is going to f* a lot of people over unless they run a new candidate or walk s* back.</quote>Elections are just as much about who you are running against as who you are. Biden is fine. Stop with the bullshit sky is falling panic. No one is ignoring it, it's just not relevant at the moment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 10/31/23 7:59:38 PM #122:	Doe posted... Except that time in 1776, what country was that? The country has changed a lot since then. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:976964885] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Except that time in 1776, what country was that?</quote>The country has changed a lot since then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 10/31/23 8:00:56 PM #123:	Sounds like TIME is doing a fake virtue signal. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:976964900] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like TIME is doing a fake virtue signal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/31/23 8:05:35 PM #124:	Doe posted... Except that time in 1776, what country was that? About the same time where British Soldiers could legally throw you out of your own house, sleep in your bed, and eat your food. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:976964966] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Except that time in 1776, what country was that?</quote>About the same time where British Soldiers could legally throw you out of your own house, sleep in your bed, and eat your food. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 10/31/23 8:05:50 PM #125:	At the end of the day, despite how gross the entire situation is, it doesn't really matter who a bunch of white liberals on the internet tell Arab Americans to vote for, because they're not a statistically significant voting block anyway. Either party's candidate is going to support Israel because a) that's significant to the Christian belief system, and b) putting your support behind Israel will win you more votes anyway Still though, I don't think trying to wrangle votes out of Arab Americans by appealing to how much damage the Republicans are gonna do is going to be a winning strategy --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976964971] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>At the end of the day, despite how gross the entire situation is, it doesn't really matter who a bunch of white liberals on the internet tell Arab Americans to vote for, because they're not a statistically significant voting block anyway. Either party's candidate is going to support Israel because a) that's significant to the Christian belief system, and b) putting your support behind Israel will win you more votes anyway Still though, I don't think trying to wrangle votes out of Arab Americans by appealing to how much damage the Republicans are gonna do is going to be a winning strategy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/31/23 8:06:08 PM #126:	Blue_Inigo posted... I wouldn't vote for someone endorsing an ethnic cleansing tbh I have little interest in voting for Biden right now If supporting funding to Israel is your idea of endorsing ethnic cleansing then I think you're going to have a hard time voting for anyone. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:976964976] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite><quote>I wouldn't vote for someone endorsing an ethnic cleansing tbhI have little interest in voting for Biden right now</quote>If supporting funding to Israel is your idea of endorsing ethnic cleansing then I think you're going to have a hard time voting for anyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/31/23 8:06:48 PM #127:	Inohira posted... Modern partisan Democrats believe the Republicans being worse and threatening democracy means all such debates should be put aside for now and Dems should receive unconditional support. It's going to fail eventually, and I'd say no later than 2028. And we're all going to suffer as a result. No they don't. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:976964989] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Inohira posted...</cite><quote>Modern partisan Democrats believe the Republicans being worse and threatening democracy means all such debates should be put aside for now and Dems should receive unconditional support.It's going to fail eventually, and I'd say no later than 2028. And we're all going to suffer as a result.</quote>No they don't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 10/31/23 8:06:52 PM #128:	Tyranthraxus posted... About the same time where British Soldiers could legally throw you out of your own house, sleep in your bed, and eat your food. Right, the conduct of contemporary American domestic peacekeepers is famously of no dispute. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976964990] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>About the same time where British Soldiers could legally throw you out of your own house, sleep in your bed, and eat your food.</quote>Right, the conduct of contemporary American domestic peacekeepers is famously of no dispute. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 10/31/23 8:07:29 PM #129:	Unfortunately it comes down to another: What are you going to do, vote for the Muslim ban/Obama is a Muslim and that's why you shouldn't vote for him guy? --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:976965000] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Unfortunately it comes down to another: What are you going to do, vote for the Muslim ban/Obama is a Muslim and that's why you shouldn't vote for him guy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 10/31/23 8:10:02 PM #130:	wanderingshade posted... don't like Biden for this one specific thing so I'm going to vote for the Muslim travel ban guy" - Silly nonsense people. That one specific thing is pretty damn big. --- "Big Sweaty Otis" -Titus O'Neil <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:976965035] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>don't like Biden for this one specific thing so I'm going to vote for the Muslim travel ban guy" - Silly nonsense people.</quote>That one specific thing is pretty damn big. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 10/31/23 8:16:25 PM #131:	1337toothbrush posted... Yeah, Obama destroyed more countries. So you acknowledge that Trump bombed far more innocent people and from that you conclude that he would be better serving the Gaza people than Biden or Obama Fucking deranged. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:976965165] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, Obama destroyed more countries.</quote>So you acknowledge that Trump bombed far more innocent people and from that you conclude that he would be better serving the Gaza people than Biden or ObamaFucking deranged. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/31/23 8:23:16 PM #132:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Sounds like you didn't hear any of my talking points and instead plugged your ears and made a bunch of assumptions about "you people" i.e. whatever strawman you have in your head. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] and yet he is ramping up funding dramatically for Israel, which is most relevant to this discussion. Stop calling things idiotic when you don't understand it. Shadow_Don posted... So you acknowledge that Trump bombed far more innocent people and from that you conclude that he would be better serving the Gaza people than Biden or Obama Fucking deranged. So you're just making shit up because countries destroyed vs bombs dropped is a toss-up in terms of people's lives ruined depending on a number of factors. I didn't say Trump would be better for Gaza, you haven't been paying attention at all. What's deranged is you arguing with a strawman when I'm right here. Read my words and try actually responding to them instead of whatever ridiculous strawman you've made up in your mind. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976965281] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Sounds like you didn't hear any of my talking points and instead plugged your ears and made a bunch of assumptions about "you people" i.e. whatever strawman you have in your head.<cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> and yet he is ramping up funding dramatically for Israel, which is most relevant to this discussion. Stop calling things idiotic when you don't understand it.Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>So you acknowledge that Trump bombed far more innocent people and from that you conclude that he would be better serving the Gaza people than Biden or ObamaFucking deranged.</quote>So you're just making shit up because countries destroyed vs bombs dropped is a toss-up in terms of people's lives ruined depending on a number of factors. I didn't say Trump would be better for Gaza, you haven't been paying attention at all. What's deranged is you arguing with a strawman when I'm right here. Read my words and try actually responding to them instead of whatever ridiculous strawman you've made up in your mind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperSaiyanTien 10/31/23 8:24:59 PM #133:	wanderingshade posted... "I don't like Biden for this one specific thing so I'm going to vote for the Muslim travel ban guy" - Silly nonsense people. This is a wild statement. --- "Well, maybe the Dirt Dragon should have thought about that before taking over the opera house." - Lord_Bob_Bree <cite>SuperSaiyanTien posted [p:976965311] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>"I don't like Biden for this one specific thing so I'm going to vote for the Muslim travel ban guy" - Silly nonsense people.</quote>This is a wild statement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 10/31/23 8:26:16 PM #134:	SuperSaiyanTien posted... This is a wild statement. a -vote for Biden is a vote for trump. there's a reason 'blue no matter who' is a saying. it's better than the alternative. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976965340] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>SuperSaiyanTien posted... </cite><quote>This is a wild statement.</quote>a -vote for Biden is a vote for trump. there's a reason 'blue no matter who' is a saying. it's better than the alternative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 10/31/23 8:26:54 PM #135:	How should Arab Americans, or anyone else, voice their displeasure with the president's policies? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:976965352] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>How should Arab Americans, or anyone else, voice their displeasure with the president's policies? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/31/23 8:30:00 PM #136:	Intro2Logic posted... How should Arab Americans, or anyone else, voice their displeasure with the president's policies? Protests, petitions, publication.... You know... All that stuff in the first amendment that we made explicitly for the purpose of criticizing the government. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:976965390] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted... </cite><quote>How should Arab Americans, or anyone else, voice their displeasure with the president's policies?</quote>Protests, petitions, publication.... You know... All that stuff in the first amendment that we made explicitly for the purpose of criticizing the government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 10/31/23 8:30:35 PM #137:	1337toothbrush posted... So you're just making shit up because countries destroyed vs bombs dropped is a toss-up in terms of people's lives ruined depending on a number of factors He killed far more innocent people what the fuck are you even talking about? 1337toothbrush posted... I didn't say Trump would be better for Gaza You're the one who said he had a better track record when it came to bombing in a topic about the war in Gaza. If thats not what you are saying then why bring it up? And I even asked you directly: Which totally supports the point you tried to make that trump would be better on Gaza than Biden and Obama right now? 1337toothbrush posted... Yeah, Obama destroyed more countries. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:976965407] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>So you're just making shit up because countries destroyed vs bombs dropped is a toss-up in terms of people's lives ruined depending on a number of factors</quote>He killed far more innocent people what the fuck are you even talking about?1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>I didn't say Trump would be better for Gaza</quote>You're the one who said he had a better track record when it came to bombing in a topic about the war in Gaza. If thats not what you are saying then why bring it up?And I even asked you directly:<quote>Which totally supports the point you tried to make that trump would be better on Gaza than Biden and Obama right now?</quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, Obama destroyed more countries.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inohira 10/31/23 8:34:52 PM #139:	Heineken14 posted... No they don't. I'm not talking about all Democrats. Just the partisan ones. --- 1 line break(s), 121 characters allowed <cite>Inohira posted [p:976965476] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Heineken14 posted...</cite><quote>No they don't.</quote>I'm not talking about all Democrats. Just the partisan ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 10/31/23 8:35:24 PM #140:	Intro2Logic posted... How should Arab Americans, or anyone else, voice their displeasure with the president's policies? by exercising their rights instead of throwing the most important one away --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976965482] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted... </cite><quote>How should Arab Americans, or anyone else, voice their displeasure with the president's policies?</quote>by exercising their rights instead of throwing the most important one away </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/31/23 8:38:14 PM #141:	Shadow_Don posted... He killed far more innocent people what the fuck are you even talking about? Yeah, ask the people of Libya about that. Shadow_Don posted... You're the one who said he had a better track record when it came to bombing in a topic about the war in Gaza. If thats not what you are saying then why bring it up? And I even asked you directly: Yeah, Obama invaded more countries. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976965529] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>He killed far more innocent people what the fuck are you even talking about?</quote>Yeah, ask the people of Libya about that.Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>You're the one who said he had a better track record when it came to bombing in a topic about the war in Gaza. If thats not what you are saying then why bring it up?And I even asked you directly:</quote>Yeah, Obama invaded more countries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 10/31/23 8:38:19 PM #142:	thronedfire2 posted... by exercising their rights instead of throwing the most important one away Saying they disapprove of him in a poll is an exercise of their rights. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:976965533] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>by exercising their rights instead of throwing the most important one away</quote>Saying they disapprove of him in a poll is an exercise of their rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 10/31/23 8:42:07 PM #143:	1337toothbrush posted... Yeah, ask the people of Libya about that. Are we seriously arguing that more dead innocent people is less bad because he bombed 1 or 2 less countries? Yeah, Obama invaded more countries. I asked you, does that mean trump would be better for Gaza? You said "yeah, Obama bombed more countries" Whats the confusion? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:976965590] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, ask the people of Libya about that.</quote>Are we seriously arguing that more dead innocent people is less bad because he bombed 1 or 2 less countries? <quote>Yeah, Obama invaded more countries.</quote>I asked you, does that mean trump would be better for Gaza? You said "yeah, Obama bombed more countries"Whats the confusion? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/31/23 8:44:31 PM #144:	Shadow_Don posted... Are we seriously arguing that more dead innocent people is less bad because he bombed 1 or 2 less countries? Are you seriously arguing that invading more countries is better if you drop fewer bombs? Overthrow a government and the domino effect is more often than not far more devastating. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976965646] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Are we seriously arguing that more dead innocent people is less bad because he bombed 1 or 2 less countries?</quote>Are you seriously arguing that invading more countries is better if you drop fewer bombs? Overthrow a government and the domino effect is more often than not far more devastating. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 10/31/23 8:51:47 PM #145:	1337toothbrush posted... Are you seriously arguing that invading more countries is better if you drop fewer bombs? Nope. Just contesting your hilarious idea that trump was better for the middle east than Obama when we know Trump loved to bomb innocent people and bombed way more of them. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:976965782] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Are you seriously arguing that invading more countries is better if you drop fewer bombs? </quote>Nope. Just contesting your hilarious idea that trump was better for the middle east than Obama when we know Trump loved to bomb innocent people and bombed way more of them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 10/31/23 9:11:05 PM #146:	Intro2Logic posted... Saying they disapprove of him in a poll is an exercise of their rights. yeah but they should also still vote for him, because the alternative is far worse --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976966142] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted... </cite><quote>Saying they disapprove of him in a poll is an exercise of their rights.</quote>yeah but they should also still vote for him, because the alternative is far worse </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/31/23 9:12:09 PM #147:	Shadow_Don posted... Nope. Just contesting your hilarious idea that trump was better for the middle east than Obama when we know Trump loved to bomb innocent people and bombed way more of them. Obama invaded more countries. By that metric, I'd say the damage is more. Trump isn't better for the Middle East in general and that was never my point. My point was that regardless of president (and what party they come from), the overarching foreign policy script of the US gets followed. You can point to some aspects being better or worse, but again, they stick to the script. Biden showering Israel with billions of dollars and unwavering support is proof of that. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:976966160] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Nope. Just contesting your hilarious idea that trump was better for the middle east than Obama when we know Trump loved to bomb innocent people and bombed way more of them.</quote>Obama invaded more countries. By that metric, I'd say the damage is more. Trump isn't better for the Middle East in general and that was never my point. My point was that regardless of president (and what party they come from), the overarching foreign policy script of the US gets followed. You can point to some aspects being better or worse, but again, they stick to the script. Biden showering Israel with billions of dollars and unwavering support is proof of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 10/31/23 9:21:05 PM #148:	Doe posted... No, it's not irrelevant. It matters what we disagree with Joe Biden about, and as voters we have the possibility to get him to change his mind. Elections aren't two dudes put out a list the day before and you take it or leave. This discourse happening right now has the power to change those platforms, but only if people like these Arab Americans actually use their voice and negotiate with their vote. I mean Trump has gone past wanting a travel ban and. Now wants to deport all Muslims. Hell appoint neo-Nazis to cabinet positions. Its hard to imagine that not getting worse domestically. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:976966278] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>No, it's not irrelevant. It matters what we disagree with Joe Biden about, and as voters we have the possibility to get him to change his mind. Elections aren't two dudes put out a list the day before and you take it or leave. This discourse happening right now has the power to change those platforms, but only if people like these Arab Americans actually use their voice and negotiate with their vote.</quote>I mean Trump has gone past wanting a travel ban and. Now wants to deport all Muslims. Hell appoint neo-Nazis to cabinet positions. Its hard to imagine that not getting worse domestically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 10/31/23 9:34:14 PM #149:	Irony posted... I mean in their eyes it could be vote GOP and get deported or vote for Democratd rooting for genocide. Yeah, let's pretend the GOP wouldn't eagerly genocide any minority group currently in the country. Their endgame is a white christofacist dictatorship. Beyond a small pool kept for breeding stock (because in their little Gilead there would *absolutely* be a return to slavery) they'd purge or expell everyone else. --- Currently playing: Megaman Collection 1 and 2 Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:976966450] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>I mean in their eyes it could be vote GOP and get deported or vote for Democratd rooting for genocide.</quote>Yeah, let's pretend the GOP wouldn't eagerly genocide any minority group currently in the country.Their endgame is a white christofacist dictatorship. Beyond a small pool kept for breeding stock (because in their little Gilead there would absolutely be a return to slavery) they'd purge or expell everyone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 10/31/23 9:38:22 PM #150:	I am so sick of the Democrat tag line being.... Who else you got to vote for. --- "Big Sweaty Otis" -Titus O'Neil <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:976966507] in Time Magaz... [t:80607834]...</cite> <quote>I am so sick of the Democrat tag line being....Who else you got to vote for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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