Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Mafia Topic 2: the month with Friday the 13th

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wallmasterz posted...

So it sounds like youre agreeing that ulti comment rings a bit hollow/insincere?

Ulti knows damn well hes not one dimensional as scum. This makes me question the motive behind him dropping a post to say lulz everyone knows what scum ulti is like and this isnt it 0:-)

Yes.
Though to give context, he dropped the post because I made a comment that Ulti hadnt slipped one of his scumtells yet.
I am confused as to why he would pretend that this one still his scumtell when he didnt even act on it last game.
And of course, if you know your scumtell, its no longer a tell anyway.

This is where I'm at I don't want to sound like I'm copying dumey but this is what I'm saying her town is not what she showed I'm both the conversations about Traits and about Suvivor v solo Qoue I thought initially okay she's pushing something but it went no where and she was part of the reason it went no where. The again with FD calling that irrelevant conversations is also dating.

Plus the not reading the opening and not reading her role PM closely is so unlike her.

She's super detail oriented in games and picks people apart for them. She blames it on the host trying to hard? Like I exspected her to sink her teeth into all the detail Isquen put into this but looking back this morning it was bugging me alot that's why I asked her these questions and why I kept poking her. Beacuse it is very outta character for her.

Maybe she's having an off game if town or something but I'm pretty confident that she's just scum here

Though I also mean to say that I dont think Edumey has to be scum if Ulti is.

Sure, Ulti saying hes town for x reasons (sometimes logically good, sometimes bad) is not exclusive to either alignment. But I see a difference in obviously Im town. Its obvious guys you suck at mafia if you cant tell and everyone knows my scum meta and Im not in my scum meta right now right after he had a deep scum run coupled with the Dumey unvote and parking FD vote.

Im not voting ulti yet for it but I think a higher level of scrutiny is warranted.

Meh, I was holding off on commenting about Ulti even though I was directly involved, but I feel like enough time has probably passed.

What I think of Ulti in general, is that until he gets a more solid read of the game several days in, he mostly just pokes for reactions, and doesn't really care that much about the actual strength of his arguments or votes. Which is why I taunted him with "all bark no bite" earlier on. I don't even really know if he thought my "role fishing" was that bad or not, or was just condemning me to see who would jump on the train. I do wonder if the mix up with the Votals undercut Ulti a little, if he wasn't paying attention to see that I actually had a couple more votes than he thought I did.

So I see him moving to FD as the same. Swapping to an inactive to see if any opportunistic scum would jump on with him. I don't put a ton of stock in his vote, since I think he's just reaction testing.

Obviously didn't want to mention this right when he swapped to FD, because that would undermine the attempt to see if anyone swapped with him. But now that FD has been here and posted content, I don't think that gambit really holds any water any more.

Ulti if you see this, I'd just like to ask what you think of Brohan and Wallz jumping on my vote early on. They were definitely weaker votes on there compared to Crescent who actively argued with me.

Okay let me weigh in on Ulti while we are on the subject.

Does his play differ from any other day one for anyone?

I feel like ulti comes in give his top few reads and dips. Ulti can be good at day one but lacks the work to make people understand his reads.

Ulti makes himself know as town or scum like day 2

He and corrik both do this almost every game day one either alignment.

Lea, you have not really been posting much yet, but you did comment on a couple people. What stands out was you thought crescent seemed suspicious and you declared ulti vanilla.

What has made you feel so strongly about ulti being vanilla this early?

htaeD posted...

Though I also mean to say that I dont think Edumey has to be scum if Ulti is.

I agree with this.

This is the same vibe I got from ulti last game and he was scum.
That could just be recency bias, but the only have I joined before that was hosted by ulti so I don't have access to any recent memories of him as town.

Though I guess the "just testing for reactions" thing does go directly contrary to Ulti always bragging about nailing scum Topic 1, Page 1. But I honestly don't know how much of a bluff that is. If he actually has stats to back that up. I'm not sure I remember that happening recently at all.

If I werent at work I'd check the logs. But that site seems awfully ...awful as of late.

EDumey posted...

Though I guess the "just testing for reactions" thing does go directly contrary to Ulti always bragging about nailing scum Topic 1, Page 1. But I honestly don't know how much of a bluff that is. If he actually has stats to back that up. I'm not sure I remember that happening recently at all.

Corrik has a better track record IMO.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

This is the same vibe I got from ulti last game and he was scum.
That could just be recency bias, but the only have I joined before that was hosted by ulti so I don't have access to any recent memories of him as town.

Fair honestly. I'm not calling Ulti town or even giving him a town lean like I did for Sultan. I just don't think the specific argument of "parking a vote on FD" is all that damning or even strange for Ulti.

It's the combination of the odd timing of voting an inactive person and then not reacting to my return in any way.

The 2nd part is what I am primarily perplexed by.

Ok that hopefully resolved a lot easier than I expected

Right, if he voted Dumey for reads and then unvoted because he was either satisfied with what he got or realized he wasn't getting what he wanted... going after fd next does not follow with either of those, imo.

And what irks me the most is how he complains about how afk's "get away with it" every game, then he himself goes totally afk after voting for an afk less than 24 hours in, which was also right after another toothless vote.

Also Ulti's flip has no correlation to Dumey at all. Ulti as scum could do what he did with Dumey regardless of Dumey's alignment.

When Ulti is poking people for a reaction I feel like he more often than not votes for or suspects the person he wants a reaction from. So voting for the one person who has yet to show to see if opportunistic scum jumps on to the guy who is now at checks notes -8, yeah no.

If that was ultis intent with Dumey he also couldve questioned me or another person who voted Dumey after. Ashethan questioned my vote. Ulti just moved it unceremoniously.

to get reactions it would make more sense to move your vote to someone who has posted already and looked questionable.

The only correlation I do draw is that Ulti is more likely to have jumped off of him that early if he felt the need to protect him, but at just two votes he shouldn't have felt such a need unless Dumey had a legitimately important role.

I don't think we should read much into it beyond that.

PeaceFrog posted...

Right, if he voted Dumey for reads and then unvoted because he was either satisfied with what he got or realized he wasn't getting what he wanted... going after fd next does not follow with either of those, imo.

Can you elaborate on that? I think that's the part that I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on. I'm not sure what was wrong with his FD vote in particular.

(I agree that not acknowledging his vote in any way after FD returned is bad.)

To both Wallz and Crescent, is the fact that I was actually at 4 votes, but only 2 showing in the votals something worth considering? I'm not sure if Ulti even knew that Brohan and Wallz ever voted me.

EDumey posted...

Can you elaborate on that? I think that's the part that I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on. I'm not sure what was wrong with his FD vote in particular.

(I agree that not acknowledging his vote in any way after FD returned is bad.)

His vote on FD would look bad to me if most people other than him did it. It's completely toothless and it trivializes everything he ever said towards you.

EDumey posted...

To both Wallz and Crescent, is the fact that I was actually at 4 votes, but only 2 showing in the votals something worth considering? I'm not sure if Ulti even knew that Brohan and Wallz ever voted me.

Oh.

Wait Brohan put a vote down this game?

Speaking of Brohan, I can't remember anything he's done at all.

Brohan and Ashe both haven't done much.

Hopefully they become more active.

Ulti + Dumey are scum = Ulti is paying attention to votals and wants to move his vote

Ulti scum, Dumey town = Sure Ulti could move his vote thinking Dumey isnt going anywhere now and he moves it back later if it suits him

Ulti town, Dumey any = I doubt Ulti paid that much attention to votals in this scenario lol

I remember Ashe having one interesting vote. I found the reasoning acceptable but didn't really agree with it.

That's it though.

I have made a couple posts about not liking Brohan's vote. But that's okay. It on like Page 3 of Topic 1. He added a quote of mine and said he didn't like it, without really giving reasoning behind it. (It was about the initial Ben/SBell/IGCD stuff) It felt like jumping onto an early train and adding more without actually adding more? Not sure if that wording makes sense, but whatever.

Topic 1 re-read of Ashe posts:

-'oh hey this started'

-comment about solo queue being the real killer. (reference to actual dbd gaming culture?)

It was at this point ulti voted ashe for failing the vibe check and he clapped himself in the back for his track record of catching scum page 1 topic 1.

-post about ulti being wrong

-questioning wallz town clear of sbell

-(about a page later) vote on wallz for the inconsistency on his dumey posts
(which was later explained by wallz as not really stopping his teeth in before bed after the jags W,)

-clarifying question to wallz

.

And that was the entirety of Ashe posts from topic 1. I still don't see what the fuss was about, especially now that I've reminded myself that it all started from an off the cuff ulti post. As far as I can tell ashe showed up, received two quick votes because of 'vibes' and ended up on some lists as someone worth considering. But the amount of Ashe discussion seemed inconsistent with the actual posts being made.

Which actually could be an interesting point. In a scenario where ulti's shot in the dark landed (broken clocks twice a day, etc) it COULD be a situation where Ashe's scummates wouldn't want to NOT mention ashe for fear of looking worse later?

Sultan, Brohan, Death, Crescent, Sultan were the fastest to include some ashe thoughts after the two votes from ulti and Corrik.

Sultan was the most interesting because he went from:
"don't mind Ulti he just loves to have everyone claim super fast for no reason lol"
to
"very meh null but on the scum end".

I'm not seeing any reason for him to have developed a scum lean on Ashe overnight.

UltimateBrohan posted... Yeah sbell town 100%
Most likely igcd too 85%
And probably Ben but not as certain 60%
My thought process went yes indy -> fuck yes mafia -> fuck town.
Also just way too much flavor for me im not reading all that shit but im happy for you/sorry that happened

##Vote: EDumey
I totally agree with Ulti, hated that first Edumey post and this one even more. Tho idk what vibes he got from Ashe im not seeing it.
Im also getting bad vibes from Sultan and good ones from JC.

No wonder I didn't remember him at all. This is Brohan's only post in the entire game and it says very little. I would like Brohan to add something.

EDumey posted...

Can you elaborate on that? I think that's the part that I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on. I'm not sure what was wrong with his FD vote in particular.

(I agree that not acknowledging his vote in any way after FD returned is bad.)

You identified fd as not having shown yet, right before he unvoted you and then voted for fd. That is oddity one.

Oddity two, and what i was referring to in my post, was that if he is pressure testing to get "reads", then voting for the only player who had not yet posted at that time is a pretty great way of not getting any reads.

Actually FD I'm going to have to put an asterisk into what you said. I didn't realize I still had Corrik on ignore at the time and did not know he had voted Ashe when I responded to Ulti's vote on him. As far as I knew, Ashe was only at 1, and I was responding to the first person who voted him.

Oh well, I am glad you got that fixed
But I really do hope you dont have anyone else on ignore by accident.

Oh I have Lopen blocked but Lopen isn't playing so

Interesting analysis FD. I like the point of looking at who responded and why. I was more focused on just Ashethan's wallz post.

PeaceFrog posted...

You identified fd as not having shown yet, right before he unvoted you and then voted for fd. That is oddity one.

Oddity two, and what i was referring to in my post, was that if he is pressure testing to get "reads", then voting for the only player who had not yet posted at that time is a pretty great way of not getting any reads.

Gotcha. I know you talked about the first point before, but I forgot it, so the added context helps.

That still makes it an 'ashe related post based on not much' even if you didn't have the context of a second vote.

But the bottom line is that I don't feel like I missed a bunch of ashe content posts so I stand by my catching up read from last night. There was the whole exchange with wallz but that came AFTER ashe was a topic of discussion and it only made me feel better about them.

I wouldnt say I was responding to the Ashethan vote there tho, FD
Considering I just woke up and was posting all of my thoughts at once.

Though I agree he has not really done much since then to give me more things to say about him besides what I wondered about then
Dont recall if he adressed my point either, about him remembering that Ulti was always 'wrong about him in the past'.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That still makes it an 'ashe related post based on not much' even if you didn't have the context of a second vote.

But the bottom line is that I don't feel like I missed a bunch of ashe content posts so I stand by my catching up read from last night. There was the whole exchange with wallz but that came AFTER ashe was a topic of discussion and it only made me feel better about them.

I thought there was a possibility Ashe could be timid scum who didn't know what to say, but also a possibility he could be town who hadn't gotten his mafia legs back since I have no idea the last time he played. Pushing him felt premature. I wasn't going to give him a day 1 pass, but I don't feel like there was enough time for a judgment.

htaeD posted...

I wouldnt say I was responding to the Ashethan vote there tho, FD
Considering I just woke up and was posting all of my thoughts at once.

It was still a post referencing ashe after ashe had essentially said nothing and received two votes. The fact that you had enough of a thought that you felt it warranted inclusion in your post is still relevant.

UltimaterializerX posted...

And good, my vote got you to start playing

Nah screw this attitude. My activity has nothing whatsoever to do with anything you have ever said or done.

UltimaterializerX posted...

my vote got you to start playing, and playing well.

If i had a double vote I'd use it on you right now. Come on.

Hi Ulti.

I guess that answers one of my questions.

Speaking of that, Ashe has one post since page 7 of topic 1.

I would like some updates thoughts from there as well.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I mean that was really funny, you have to admit. And good, my vote got you to start playing, and playing well. Excellent.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dumey

Back to actually killing the scums.

Ulti I want to see more from you aside from snark and putting your vote back on Dumey. Why was your vote on FD for so long to begin with?

If you have an unlynchable condition, that means you're not vanilla.

Like that statement directly contradicted itself in 10 words.