Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Mafia Topic 2: the month with Friday the 13th

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Mass claims are now three days like your favorite music festivals. Everyone claims a different trait each day! How magical!

Forceful_Dragon posted...

PunishedBen / Ben

My first really strong reaction to a ben post is #248 and I really do not like it. It really seems to be calling attention to a part of SBell's opening post that was meant to go unnoticed. At best ben is town giving scum free info and at worst scum already took note of the information and will be using it accordingly. I also don't see how any of the specifics to this post really clear IGCD as well.
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Sbell said it, not me. And if he said it that means he wanted it out there!

red13n / Leafeon13n

Claimed miller. Probably hiding power? Town either way so it's whatever.

Said "killer side is also Solo Queue" in post #366. What is this idea based on? Or is this more about the game mechanic of queing up for a game of DBD?

Yo what the heck man that was the part of Red's post that was supposed to go unnoticed XD (clearly it means Red is Killer, enjoy your sweet sweet info mafia team)

thats good stuff on crescent, FD. Im not positive it means crescent is scum but I think you look town for it.

Scum crescent busses like crazy. Just file this knowledge away in case either her or Dumey flip scum.

Killer? Miller? :O

Oooooh. If we have multiple Millers this game, don't be alarmed. Everyone don't go and claim Miller all at once now. But I think you should just do it if you want to be helpful. The game might have a scanner that scans for Star Spi- I mean Killers ;P

wallmasterz posted...

thats good stuff on crescent, FD. Im not positive it means crescent is scum but I think you look town for it.

Scum crescent busses like crazy. Just file this knowledge away in case either her or Dumey flip scum.

I wonder how many games you're going to incorrectly say that about me based on me bussing you in a single joke game.

Like 6 years ago this was accurate.

Oh wait I popped in to vote Joyrock late in Smash after being fucked on the head all day and doing absolutely nothing

My memory of that game is not great

Oh and FD, posts like that are commonplace for me and generally NAI. I like to make random comments about my own behavior.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I wonder how many games you're going to incorrectly say that about me based on me bussing you in a single joke game.

Like 6 years ago this was accurate.

You and corrik bussed entire cities with each other. That game wasn't very long ago.

PeaceFrog posted...

You and corrik bussed entire cities with each other. That game wasn't very long ago.

Does no one remember how I spent the first two days of that game essentially broken and even commented about how I went well out of my typical scumrange because of it?

i dont know what to make of crescent denying this when it has happened like twice since I was scum with her in Hans all day vigs game

Not looking great.

wallmasterz posted...

i dont know what to make of crescent denying this when it has happened like twice since I was scum with her in Hans all day vigs game

I don't know why you continue to reference a game I never took seriously and refuse to acknowledge as a mafia game.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

While reading topic 1 I just added notes to players on the player list as I went so that means these aren't my thoughts in the order I had them, just my collected thoughts on the players in the order they are listed on the player list. I tried to include what post I was referencing to give context. But without further ado:
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Ashethan

Not understanding the heat Ashe is getting on page 2. They only made two posts on page 1 and nothing jumped off the page.

Just got to the end of topic 1 and I didn't have anything else to add about Ashe. Not sure if that means they just stopped posting or if they were just collectively ignored. Could be scum slinking back into the shadows allowing conversation to drift elsewhere? I'd need to iso to see if there were actually posts of substance that I just didn't catalog.
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Chaeix / jc

Made a post (130) that really resonates with my only feelings at the same point. Not caring about wallz, not liking ulti, being fine with dumey and thinking crescent is wrong to press dumey. Don't have enough information to agree or disagree with his IGCD read.

Anotehr read post (436) that I'm less crazy about. It's not that I terribly disagree with a lot of it (don't love the ben town read), but it also seems like it could cover more people at that point. With that said I would join in pressure on both ulti and wallz so despite it's limited scope it hits in some good ways still.
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Corrik7 / Corrik

Zzz
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Crescent-Moon

Thought 'solo queue' was a weirdly named scum faction. This sticks out to me because why would 'solo' connect with a team of scum? I couldn't even guess what the scum faction would be named, but it's possible crescent was using her own experience of ACTUALLY being confused by a weird scum faction name to try to relate to those posting about their own thoughts on the faction name/s?

Said "All players have "Traits"? If I have a "Trait", I have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be."

Uh, what? It's pretty OBVIOUS from my role PM what my trait/s is/are. Like that's the entirety of my role with the definition/s provided after. But I would assume even scum would have traits so this doesn't even make sense as a scum slip. I just don't understand how you could have a trait and not know it. Crescent made more posts about this throughout page 3 and no one seems to care or is running with it.
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EDumey / Dumey

I actually didn't hate Dumey's post where he pressed red for miller details. As the opening post explains we all have between 1 and 3 traits. Some traits are flavor only, some have passive abilities and some have active abilities. If we assume red is actually miller (and I do) then that means he's likely solo queue "untrustworthy" or some similarly named passive trait that causes him to scan guilty. He might still have other traits in addition, or it might be his only one, but a scum trying to gambit a miller might screw up and say they are actually just "Solo queue miller". I don't hate Dumey making that play even if red is not the kind of person who would typically be caught by it.
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Forceful_Dragon / FD

It's me, FD.
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htaeD / Death

Gonna have to iso. I know he posted a lot but somehow he made it through my read without pinging me enough to leave a thought in either direction.
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IfGodCouldDie / IGCD

See SBell's blurb about "shucks, I thought I was survivor".

Don't know what else he's said otherer than being "town cleared" for page 1.
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Lea

No thoughts of consequence. Wouldn't even know the difference if she hadn't posted at all.
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Obellisk / Sbell

Personally don't care for the "aw shucks I thought I was survivor". I had a similar thought when I saw the PM, but naturally proceeded to read the entire thing and realized what was what. It never occurred to me to think to alert others to the fact that I briefly got excited at the prospect of an interesting role. I wouldn't expect town credit for it and i wouldn't give others town credit for it.

Went on to vote Crescent on page 4 and I actually liked the vote a lot. Would have been pressing crescent as well if I were around based upon the same post he referenced... And then he immediately walks it back. I did not like the unvote.
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PeaceFrog

See Death. Not sure how they both made it through because I was aware they had been posting.
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PunishedBen / Ben

My first really strong reaction to a ben post is #248 and I really do not like it. It really seems to be calling attention to a part of SBell's opening post that was meant to go unnoticed. At best ben is town giving scum free info and at worst scum already took note of the information and will be using it accordingly. I also don't see how any of the specifics to this post really clear IGCD as well.
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red13n / Leafeon13n

Claimed miller. Probably hiding power? Town either way so it's whatever.

Said "killer side is also Solo Queue" in post #366. What is this idea based on? Or is this more about the game mechanic of queing up for a game of DBD?
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TheSultanofSlam / Sultan

At one point Ashe voted Wallz and I remember thinking to myself that I thought it was a good look for Ashe and then Sultan said essentially the same thing in post #244. I also didn't hate Sultan's reads from a bit earlier that people weren't happy with. Feeling good about sultan through 5 pages.
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UltimateBrohan / Brohan

Not enough content to feel one way or the other.
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UltimaterializerX / Ulti

Immediately "town locking" four people on post #54. This feels similar to the scum ulti we just saw who liked to call himself and others town. And using that same justification of what he thought when reading the role PM.

"I don't think I have a night action" from posts 273 is just bizarre. Puts him in the Crescent camp of I don't understand how they don't understand what's happening. My role PM in combination with the opening post is absolutely crystal clear with no room for ambiguity.
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wallmasterz / Wallz

Just got to the "mom?" post (#233) and it's registering to me that none of wallz' posts thus far have really registered to me. I know he's in the game and I enjoyed the 'dad?' post, and remember he had to kinda-defend himself about the jaguars winning or something? But wallz has been almost notably un-notable through his posts.

But it's not the same as Death/Peaf who posted a lot but I didn't feel the need to quote or respond to. Wallz feels more like someone TRYING to be unmemorable?

How quick did you come to this list? How long wad your read?

No, but also a player commenting on their own play usually means less to me than someone else commenting on it.

I've also been scum exactly one time since and it was that game I disappeared like 10 hours into day one after being stabbed in the back.

I would say this is at least the third or fourth game I've called that meta read of me incorrect though~

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Hmmmm. Do you think she acts so aggressive early if scum though?

I do think its kind of funny that FD noted that I didnt have thoughts on a number of people. The people I didnt comment on happen to be most of the people that FD also said I have no thoughts on you but he just listed and said as much.

lol

PeaceFrog posted...

No, but also a player commenting on their own play usually means less to me than someone else commenting on it.

I overtly do things that are considered traditionally scummy as any because I flat out just do not care. Basically anytime I play in a new forum I immediately get jumped for it by like 1/3 of the game.

Chaeix posted...

I do think its kind of funny that FD noted that I didnt have thoughts on a number of people. The people I didnt comment on happen to be most of the people that FD also said I have no thoughts on you but he just listed and said as much.

lol

If we all only list out the players we don't have thoughts on, perhaps we can get somewhere in the next 22 hours!

Crescent-Moon posted...

I overtly do things that are considered traditionally scummy as any because I flat out just do not care. Basically anytime I play in a new forum I immediately get jumped for it by like 1/3 of the game.

this is probably why were vibing

my mom believed me when I said I was town btw

Crescent-Moon posted...

I overtly do things that are considered traditionally scummy as any because I flat out just do not care. Basically anytime I play in a new forum I immediately get jumped for it by like 1/3 of the game.

I don't know why you explained your style to me after i said i generally don't trust what people say about their own styles. But I'm trying to be less of a dick right now so I'll thank you for your context and take it with a grain of salt.

Peaf gives me irked there is not enough scumhunting happening here, my time is being wasted vibes which I dig

welcome to camp town peaf

JC is town because its impossible to lie to your mom

I don't like wallz right now, Ashe is possibly a good spot to head, and usually by now I like peaf as town and don't.

A lot of people stick out as probably town so likely something isn't right there but we got.

Crescent
Sultan
Jc
Brohan
Ben
Sbell
Igcd

Chaeix posted...

this is probably why were vibing

my mom believed me when I said I was town btw

My read on you that came from the first half of topic one was "town who doesn't care about the game yet but is staying engaged". Your commentary never felt forced.

Corrik7 posted...

I don't like wallz right now, Ashe is possibly a good spot to head, and usually by now I like peaf as town and don't.

A lot of people stick out as probably town so likely something isn't right there but we got.

Crescent
Sultan
Jc
Brohan
Ben
Sbell
Igcd

You just named 3 of my town reads but why Ben

Corrik7 posted...

I don't like wallz right now

If youre town, I think you have liked town wallz exactly once before so Im unsurprised.

Corrik7 posted...

How quick did you come to this list? How long wad your read?

You can subtract when the post was made to my first post can't you? Looks like it was about 50 minutes. I had done some skimming throughout the day, but the entire post was created from a read through that began after I checked in.

Chaeix posted...

I do think its kind of funny that FD noted that I didnt have thoughts on a number of people. The people I didnt comment on happen to be most of the people that FD also said I have no thoughts on you but he just listed and said as much.

lol

You posted reads on 6 people in the post I referenced. Not counting yourself that means you skipped 10. There some overlap with my list (maybe 4 of those 10?) but I wouldn't really say that's equivalent.

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Actually the most common thing I say is the way I play day one is more dependent on my mood/emotional state than my alignment.

At least a dozen games I've said that in I would say.

Though I would say it is harder from me to recover from emotional trauma while playing scum because I do find playing scum more mentally taxing.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Actually the most common thing I say is the way I play day one is more dependent on my mood/emotional state than my alignment.

At least a dozen games I've said that in I would say.

That's fantastic.

What are traits?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's fantastic.

What are traits?

Oh if you really want the answer then whatever because if anyone else asks they're just gonna get the same answer so I doubt I'll ever catch someone with it.

"Trait" is just another word for "Role". It's the host trying too hard to be creative, and the word "Trait" means absolutely nothing in this game. We should completely disregard it as a notion and only operate under "flavor" and "role".

And for the record that answer did in fact make me feel worse about Dumey fishing Red, because it essentially told me Dumey was directly rolefishing him, which is exactly what I thought he was doing.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Oh if you really want the answer then whatever because if anyone else asks they're just gonna get the same answer so I doubt I'll ever catch someone with it.

"Trait" is just another word for "Role". It's the host trying too hard to be creative, and the word "Trait" means absolutely nothing in this game. We should completely disregard it as a notion and only operate under "flavor" and "role".

What changed between yesterday and today that you understand now?

What would you call someone if none of their traits provide passive or active abilities?

Crescent-Moon posted...

And for the record that answer did in fact make me feel worse about Dumey fishing Red, because it essentially told me Dumey was directly rolefishing him, which is exactly what I thought he was doing.

I still don't see how it's fishing. Even if red provided the name of the trait that makes him functionally a miller that wouldn't reveal anything else about other traits he may or may not have.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

What changed between yesterday and today that you understand now?

What would you call someone if none of their traits provide passive or active abilities?

I already knew the answer this morning, I just didn't feel like sharing it in case I could somehow catch someone doing something ridiculous on the topic. But if a second person asked, I planned on doing so because it was too innocuous to make a big secret out of it.

Also I have absolutely no idea. All I was told is my role name is my Trait, leading me to the distinction that the word "Trait" simply does not need to exist at all.

Oh and I knew that revealing the answer would 100% out me as power, but as time has passed I kind of figured my non-answer outed me as power anyway. The moment I went down this rabbit hole, there was no way to avoid exposing myself as not vanilla.

Like I said, "it reeks of the host trying too hard". I have absolutely nothing in my role or PM that suggests I have a "Trait".

Actually there's something that really bugs me about what FD just said.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

What changed between yesterday and today that you understand now?

What would you call someone if none of their traits provide passive or active abilities?

If FD ever tries to claim vanilla in this game, instantly murder him. I'm not sure yet this is a scum slip or a power slip, but this definitely isn't a vanilla.

To be honest my assumption based upon your description so far is that you had a single flavor-only trait.

And regardless of not being specifically labeled as a trait should still be listed and then later defined. I can understand initially thinking it's just a renamed role if you only have one, but once it was revealed everyone has 1-3 of them it felt straightforward.

And for the record it does vibe me like FD overplaying his hand, but I don't know FD enough to make a concrete judgment on it.

Either way, I hold to my point. If FD claims any sort of powerless role, kill him instantly.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

To be honest my assumption based upon your description so far is that you had a single flavor-only trait.

And regardless of not being specifically labeled as a trait should still be listed and then later defined. I can understand initially thinking it's just a renamed role if you only have one, but once it was revealed everyone has 1-3 of them it felt straightforward.

For me it's quite literally "You are X - Solo Queue X"

Then I get told that second X is my "Trait", and I immediately go "No, it's my role. Traits are dumb."

Crescent-Moon posted...

If FD ever tries to claim vanilla in this game, instantly murder him. I'm not sure yet this is a scum slip or a power slip, but this definitely isn't a vanilla.

I wasn't claiming vanilla, just asking what YOU would call someone who's trait/s are entirely flavor based.

You could have 4 people who all have different traits that are functionally vanilla by virtue of not having any passive or active abilities.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I wasn't claiming vanilla, just asking what YOU would call someone who's trait/s are entirely flavor based.

You could have 4 people who all have different traits that are functionally vanilla by virtue of not having any passive or active abilities.

I know you weren't claiming vanilla. You were blatantly showing you weren't.

I don't know what you think I'm saying but I think there is a serious gap between what I'm saying and what you are hearing.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I don't know what you think I'm saying but I think there is a serious gap between what I'm saying and what you are hearing.

What I saw was someone who isn't town vanilla asking what a town vanilla might be called.

I feel like we just wasted an most of a page for the sole purpose of outing two people as "Definitely not town vanilla" based on a host trying to be too cute.

I mean I guess it could've been worse.