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VOTALS AS OF TOPIC 1 POST 400

Sultan [2]: IGCD, Ben
Ashethan [1]: (Ulti), Corrik
Wallz [1]: (Sultan), Ashethan
Dumey [1]: (Ulti), Crescent
FD [1]: Ulti
Crescent [0]: (IGCD), (Sbell)

With 17 alive, there is a majority of 9 votes required to instantly condemn a player. Day actions for Day 1 are due tonight at 9:00 pm Eastern time (a bit over three hours from now.) Day 1 ends at 9:00 pm Eastern Tuesday October 31st, a bit over 27 hours from now.

##vote: ulti

given my misreading of Wallz post Id like to pressure Ulti more at this point in time.

join me friends

Isquen, I'm pretty sure Brohan voted me with proper formatting in post #134 and it never got added to the votals. If it's not there for some other reason, then so be it, but figured I'd point it out to make sure you didn't accidentally miss it.

Lea never responded to my meme request.

I has a sad

You are correct oops.

ACTUAL VOTALS
Dumey [2]: (Ulti), Brohan, Crescent
Sultan [2]: IGCD, Ben
Ashethan [1]: (Ulti), Corrik
Wallz [1]: (Sultan), Ashethan
FD [1]: Ulti
Ulti [1]: Chaeix
Crescent [0]: (IGCD), (Sbell)

Howdy.

Late night Sunday.

Busy day at work today followed by a couple important errands means this is my first actual chunk of time to post. I did some skimming so I know a few broad strokes like the red miller claim.

I considered just waiting an extra hour and trolling Sultan by claiming I couldn't post for 24 hours.. but I'm not enough of a gambler to consider rolling those dice

I would have laughed if you pulled that joke out. Now you only got a smile out of me. >:(

Well my arrival apparently scared everyone away so I'll continue my topic 1 more detailed readthrough and post thoughts on the player list when I'm done.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

know a few broad strokes like the red miller claim

This seems like the most lackluster thing to mention in a broad strokes skim of the game, even if it was just up to that point.

I mean there's been a lot of posts about people posting about their impressions of the role PM and their impressions of other people's impressions and so forth. But I have my own thoughts about all that which will be included in how I feel about everyone.

PeaceFrog posted... You're fine to feel this way but I dispute that I've been nondescript in calling Ben scum, and also that you think i gave any shits at all about one of your town leans. You're not the center of my universe, and frankly i wasn't aware that voicing suspicion on someone that you think is town is so frowned upon that you can't possibly believe a town would ever do so and risk your wrath.

The point is I townleaned SBell and you *instantly* tried to dispute the townlean with absolutely no reasoning.

And this was right after you attempted to scumshade him with absolutely no reasoning.

So basically you come off as going out of your way to keep attention on SBell, but you haven't justified it in any way.

I'm pretty sure i said i view sbell as 1% above a pure neutral read at the moment. He hasn't pinged me as scum but i don't see him in the WOAHMG TOWNNNNNN light that others do, either.

You're self obsessed about it, is all.

Chaeix posted...

##vote: ulti

given my misreading of Wallz post Id like to pressure Ulti more at this point in time.

join me friends

I'm just about at solid neutral with Ulti, though it's gotten harder for me to read him since he suddenly started being super nice to me and my brain always thinks there's an ulterior motive.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm just about at solid neutral with Ulti, though it's gotten harder for me to read him since he suddenly started being super nice to me and my brain always thinks there's an ulterior motive.

You and Ulti shared the strongest reaction to Dumeys opening. What do you make of Ulti removing his vote and moving it to the only person who had yet to post at the time?

Dumey, thanks for clearing up jcs misreading of my post.

I think Wall's vote should be on Dumey? (Post #137 topic 1)

Crescent-Moon posted...

So basically you come off as going out of your way to keep attention on SBell, but you haven't justified it in any way.

Can you point to the posts where he does this? Cause I'm not seeing it. He mentions Sbell along with IGDC when he talks about if one of them were scum, he'd think Ben was scum too. But beyond that, he's mostly just discussed why he doesn't think it auto-clears them like most people do.

I took it as him messing with FD. Getting off so soon for such a dumb reason is actually something that leans a bit in town Ulti's favor. The exception would be is if Dumey is some superpowered scum again.

PeaceFrog posted... If either sbell or igcd are scum then i think Ben is too and he just showed a bit too much of his hand. As town he only knows that scum knows what SOLO QUEUE is, but can't know if scum was told anything beyond that.

My girlfriend has been wanting to get a second cat... but the one we have is already plaguing my allergies enough. I wonder if getting new vent filters or something for the house will make it easier to tolerate, because i feel bad that we are depriving this girl of a friend.

Crescent-Moon posted... I'm a bit disturbed that unvote came so easily given the grandstanding that came when it was made but I also don't think it's a scum SBell play.

PeaceFrog posted...

Sbell has also been horrifically bad & unlucky in his scum games so i don't blame him for trying something different if he is scum.

He hasn't lost the vibe check today so far, I'll give him that much.

Posts #156, #178, #179
Peaf gives a garbage reason to include SBell as possible scum, and I call him out on it.

#178: "I townlean SBell"
#179: Peaf immediately responding "But you shouldn't!" without any justification.

PunishedBen posted...

I dont think there's a conclusive answer either at this point, but i wanted to see what Sultan would say. Regardless, I like the research you attempted, thats usually a good sign with you

So in going back to find the aforementioned Ben mention of Mario - which, how did death and i both manage to not see that interaction - I found this post, which I again don't like from ben. Death does research as both town and scum, and i feel like Ben is once again giving out town points way too easily. And the way he says it, it almost feels like he's trying to cozy up to death? Perhaps I'm assigning feeling there where there isn't any.

PunishedBen posted...

Fine I will help....is it possible you felt this in Paper Mario mafia? I was definitely scum that game and using my insider knowledge to go on tangents about Hidden Powers

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

That is also possible but I also murdered super quick in paper Mario

So yeah this is where Ben mentions Mario well before death and i do, and sultan responded immediately. If I'm interpreting events correctly, Sultan earlier told Ben that he was acting like he knew too much and that was fishy but didn't know if scum Ben had done this to town Sultan before. Ben first tried to give a hint, and then was very explicit about paper Mario (as an aside, it would be proper for me to admit that i was completely unable to read Ben in this game until kirby smacked a shitload of sense into me). Ben is correct that he absolutely used hidden scum knowledge to drive town up a wall, in a way that felt like earnest theory crafting. Well to me, anyway. And then sultan says, yeah but i was lynched early so i don't remember.

Sultan was lynched on a d2 special. I remember it clearly because i was part of the train, and he was afk at end of day, and he was LITERALLY MARIO.

I don't fault Sultan for not remembering that game clearly. You could all very easily tell me about super obvious things that I've completely forgotten. So I'm trying not to read too hard into this. But it could definitely be funny business, making conversation for the sake of it to appear active and not actually contribute anything, if they're both scum.

If ben is scum and sultan is town, i can interpret this as ben wanting to show Sultan that:

1. You think i am playing like X to you because you think i am scum
2. Last time i was scum and you were town, i did Y
3. X is not Y, therefore you shouldn't think I'm scum

I have this paranoia about ben because i remember Kirby once making an offhand remark about how Ben is talented at changing his play style from scum game to scum game.

Slightly late, but day actions are locked and have resolved.
Votals have been re-checked and are accurate now. Honest. Post #6 with fake votals deleted. Razzum frackum work schedule interference.

New and improved votals as of post 2-22
Dumey [3]: (Ulti), Crescent, Brohan, wallz
Sultan [2]: IGCD, Ben
Ashethan: [1] (Ulti), Corrik
Wallz [1]: (Sultan), Ashethan
FD [1]: Ulti
Ulti [1]: Chaeix
Crescent [0]: (IGCD), (Sbell)

Crescent-Moon posted...

#178: "I townlean SBell"
#179: Peaf immediately responding "But you shouldn't!" without any justification.

Wait, that's the post that got you so out of shape??

I was making a dig at sbell, if he's scum again he needs to do SOMETHING different because he's been either caught or screwed over in an unlucky night action every other time in recent memory. That was just me being snarky that if he is scum, i hope for his sake that he'd be a changed man. Not that i thought he was scum.

PeaceFrog posted...

So in going back to find the aforementioned Ben mention of Mario - which, how did death and i both manage to not see that interaction - I found this post, which I again don't like from ben. Death does research as both town and scum, and i feel like Ben is once again giving out town points way too easily. And the way he says it, it almost feels like he's trying to cozy up to death? Perhaps I'm assigning feeling there where there isn't any.

So yeah this is where Ben mentions Mario well before death and i do, and sultan responded immediately. If I'm interpreting events correctly, Sultan earlier told Ben that he was acting like he knew too much and that was fishy but didn't know if scum Ben had done this to town Sultan before. Ben first tried to give a hint, and then was very explicit about paper Mario (as an aside, it would be proper for me to admit that i was completely unable to read Ben in this game until kirby smacked a shitload of sense into me). Ben is correct that he absolutely used hidden scum knowledge to drive town up a wall, in a way that felt like earnest theory crafting. Well to me, anyway. And then sultan says, yeah but i was lynched early so i don't remember.

Sultan was lynched on a d2 special. I remember it clearly because i was part of the train, and he was afk at end of day, and he was LITERALLY MARIO.

I don't fault Sultan for not remembering that game clearly. You could all very easily tell me about super obvious things that I've completely forgotten. So I'm trying not to read too hard into this. But it could definitely be funny business, making conversation for the sake of it to appear active and not actually contribute anything, if they're both scum.

If ben is scum and sultan is town, i can interpret this as ben wanting to show Sultan that:
1. You think i am playing like X to you because you think i am scum
2. Last time i was scum and you were town, i did Y
3. X is not Y, therefore you shouldn't think I'm scum

I have this paranoia about ben because i remember Kirby once making an offhand remark about how Ben is talented at changing his play style from scum game to scum game.

what

Tldr - Ben was correct that i missed something when i was reading earlier, and i had two trailing lines of thought about it when i went back and found it.

Perhaps it was better to leave that in the notes and just do "oh yeah thanks for pointing that out, Ben". But i didn't. I saw two situations where scum Ben would do that, so i posted about them.

So Ben was trying to have me remember a game I was inactive most of a day and was specialed and remember he was scum?

Well he can't know that you wouldn't remember it well, he is not in your brain. If you had remembered it as well as he does, perhaps there would have been something there for him to leverage.

But that's true, that means the scum/ scum angle is probably empty there.

PeaceFrog posted...

Tldr - Ben was correct that i missed something when i was reading earlier, and i had two trailing lines of thought about it when i went back and found it.

Perhaps it was better to leave that in the notes and just do "oh yeah thanks for pointing that out, Ben". But i didn't. I saw two situations where scum Ben would do that, so i posted about them.

what about a town Ben making those same comments does that exist

While reading topic 1 I just added notes to players on the player list as I went so that means these aren't my thoughts in the order I had them, just my collected thoughts on the players in the order they are listed on the player list. I tried to include what post I was referencing to give context. But without further ado:
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Ashethan

Not understanding the heat Ashe is getting on page 2. They only made two posts on page 1 and nothing jumped off the page.

Just got to the end of topic 1 and I didn't have anything else to add about Ashe. Not sure if that means they just stopped posting or if they were just collectively ignored. Could be scum slinking back into the shadows allowing conversation to drift elsewhere? I'd need to iso to see if there were actually posts of substance that I just didn't catalog.
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Chaeix / jc

Made a post (130) that really resonates with my only feelings at the same point. Not caring about wallz, not liking ulti, being fine with dumey and thinking crescent is wrong to press dumey. Don't have enough information to agree or disagree with his IGCD read.

Anotehr read post (436) that I'm less crazy about. It's not that I terribly disagree with a lot of it (don't love the ben town read), but it also seems like it could cover more people at that point. With that said I would join in pressure on both ulti and wallz so despite it's limited scope it hits in some good ways still.
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Corrik7 / Corrik

Zzz
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Crescent-Moon

Thought 'solo queue' was a weirdly named scum faction. This sticks out to me because why would 'solo' connect with a team of scum? I couldn't even guess what the scum faction would be named, but it's possible crescent was using her own experience of ACTUALLY being confused by a weird scum faction name to try to relate to those posting about their own thoughts on the faction name/s?

Said "All players have "Traits"? If I have a "Trait", I have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be."

Uh, what? It's pretty OBVIOUS from my role PM what my trait/s is/are. Like that's the entirety of my role with the definition/s provided after. But I would assume even scum would have traits so this doesn't even make sense as a scum slip. I just don't understand how you could have a trait and not know it. Crescent made more posts about this throughout page 3 and no one seems to care or is running with it.
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EDumey / Dumey

I actually didn't hate Dumey's post where he pressed red for miller details. As the opening post explains we all have between 1 and 3 traits. Some traits are flavor only, some have passive abilities and some have active abilities. If we assume red is actually miller (and I do) then that means he's likely solo queue "untrustworthy" or some similarly named passive trait that causes him to scan guilty. He might still have other traits in addition, or it might be his only one, but a scum trying to gambit a miller might screw up and say they are actually just "Solo queue miller". I don't hate Dumey making that play even if red is not the kind of person who would typically be caught by it.
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Forceful_Dragon / FD

It's me, FD.
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htaeD / Death

Gonna have to iso. I know he posted a lot but somehow he made it through my read without pinging me enough to leave a thought in either direction.
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IfGodCouldDie / IGCD

See SBell's blurb about "shucks, I thought I was survivor".

Don't know what else he's said otherer than being "town cleared" for page 1.
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Lea

No thoughts of consequence. Wouldn't even know the difference if she hadn't posted at all.
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Obellisk / Sbell

Personally don't care for the "aw shucks I thought I was survivor". I had a similar thought when I saw the PM, but naturally proceeded to read the entire thing and realized what was what. It never occurred to me to think to alert others to the fact that I briefly got excited at the prospect of an interesting role. I wouldn't expect town credit for it and i wouldn't give others town credit for it.

Went on to vote Crescent on page 4 and I actually liked the vote a lot. Would have been pressing crescent as well if I were around based upon the same post he referenced... And then he immediately walks it back. I did not like the unvote.
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PeaceFrog

See Death. Not sure how they both made it through because I was aware they had been posting.
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PunishedBen / Ben

My first really strong reaction to a ben post is #248 and I really do not like it. It really seems to be calling attention to a part of SBell's opening post that was meant to go unnoticed. At best ben is town giving scum free info and at worst scum already took note of the information and will be using it accordingly. I also don't see how any of the specifics to this post really clear IGCD as well.
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red13n / Leafeon13n

Claimed miller. Probably hiding power? Town either way so it's whatever.

Said "killer side is also Solo Queue" in post #366. What is this idea based on? Or is this more about the game mechanic of queing up for a game of DBD?
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TheSultanofSlam / Sultan

At one point Ashe voted Wallz and I remember thinking to myself that I thought it was a good look for Ashe and then Sultan said essentially the same thing in post #244. I also didn't hate Sultan's reads from a bit earlier that people weren't happy with. Feeling good about sultan through 5 pages.
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UltimateBrohan / Brohan

Not enough content to feel one way or the other.
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UltimaterializerX / Ulti

Immediately "town locking" four people on post #54. This feels similar to the scum ulti we just saw who liked to call himself and others town. And using that same justification of what he thought when reading the role PM.

"I don't think I have a night action" from posts 273 is just bizarre. Puts him in the Crescent camp of I don't understand how they don't understand what's happening. My role PM in combination with the opening post is absolutely crystal clear with no room for ambiguity.
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wallmasterz / Wallz

Just got to the "mom?" post (#233) and it's registering to me that none of wallz' posts thus far have really registered to me. I know he's in the game and I enjoyed the 'dad?' post, and remember he had to kinda-defend himself about the jaguars winning or something? But wallz has been almost notably un-notable through his posts.

But it's not the same as Death/Peaf who posted a lot but I didn't feel the need to quote or respond to. Wallz feels more like someone TRYING to be unmemorable?

There's just a few people I'd be willing to vote for (Ulti, Wallz, Crescent, Ben) but I think the one I'll cast at the moment is

##Vote: Crescent

I need to know that she knows what a trait is. I'm not gonna be able to get past that fact until it's been addressed.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Wallz feels more like someone TRYING to be unmemorable?

It wouldve hurt less if you day vigged me.

Chaeix posted...

what about a town Ben making those same comments does that exist

It does. I'm not clairvoyant. But I think that situation is currently less likely than the one where he is not town.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

There's just a few people I'd be willing to vote for (Ulti, Wallz, Crescent, Ben) but I think the one I'll cast at the moment is

##Vote: Crescent

I need to know that she knows what a trait is. I'm not gonna be able to get past that fact until it's been addressed.

she suggested she got my traitor joke when she said I was being town who doesnt care yet

PeaceFrog posted...

It does. I'm not clairvoyant. But I think that situation is currently less likely than the one where he is not town.

fair enough

Chaeix posted...

she suggested she got my traitor joke when she said I was being town who doesnt care yet

And that was immediately undercut by her next post?

Post 109:

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ok JC is being snarky in a town that doesn't really care yet way got the reason I'm townvibing on him.

Post 111:

Crescent-Moon posted...

Anyways I didn't read the opening posts like usual and I'm inquiring now to figure out what "Trait" is even supposed to mean and what mine is even supposed to be because I feel like I have way more questions than answers about something that's apparently part of the game.

Make it make sense.

Gmm my reaction from FDs dive 1.probably town
2. I apparently need to reread Creasent I didn't notice any of that

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Damn lea, that's more cruel than anything i said about sbell.

Fd, welcome back. Glad to have you. Was it primarily crescent's first half of t1 that made an impression on you? Because she spent a lot of time being upset at me, but you think I've been sort of unintentionally under the radar.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Said "killer side is also Solo Queue" in post #366. What is this idea based on? Or is this more about the game mechanic of queing up for a game of DBD?
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Game mechanics. There is no solo queue. You choose either survivor or killer and queue from there. Both could essentially be considered solo queue.

PeaceFrog posted...

So in going back to find the aforementioned Ben mention of Mario - which, how did death and i both manage to not see that interaction - I found this post, which I again don't like from ben. Death does research as both town and scum, and i feel like Ben is once again giving out town points way too easily. And the way he says it, it almost feels like he's trying to cozy up to death? Perhaps I'm assigning feeling there where there isn't any.

So yeah this is where Ben mentions Mario well before death and i do, and sultan responded immediately. If I'm interpreting events correctly, Sultan earlier told Ben that he was acting like he knew too much and that was fishy but didn't know if scum Ben had done this to town Sultan before. Ben first tried to give a hint, and then was very explicit about paper Mario (as an aside, it would be proper for me to admit that i was completely unable to read Ben in this game until kirby smacked a shitload of sense into me). Ben is correct that he absolutely used hidden scum knowledge to drive town up a wall, in a way that felt like earnest theory crafting. Well to me, anyway. And then sultan says, yeah but i was lynched early so i don't remember.

Sultan was lynched on a d2 special. I remember it clearly because i was part of the train, and he was afk at end of day, and he was LITERALLY MARIO.

I don't fault Sultan for not remembering that game clearly. You could all very easily tell me about super obvious things that I've completely forgotten. So I'm trying not to read too hard into this. But it could definitely be funny business, making conversation for the sake of it to appear active and not actually contribute anything, if they're both scum.

If ben is scum and sultan is town, i can interpret this as ben wanting to show Sultan that:
1. You think i am playing like X to you because you think i am scum
2. Last time i was scum and you were town, i did Y
3. X is not Y, therefore you shouldn't think I'm scum

I have this paranoia about ben because i remember Kirby once making an offhand remark about how Ben is talented at changing his play style from scum game to scum game.

For my side of the story on what I was doing - I was genuinely trying to figure out if Sultan has ever legitimately thought I was being TMI when he was town. Because if so I will find it easier to believe he could be town this game and sussing me for the reasons he is giving. If not, my only memory of him shouting TMI TMI was the Star Trek game, where he beat me, and I am better at remembering times when I failed.

You might be right that Death tries to be just as helpful as both alignments. My memory is different but my memory sucks. I just find he cares more as town, and when scum his research is all trying to make walls and look like he cares

PeaceFrog posted...

Damn lea, that's more cruel than anything i said about sbell.

Fd, welcome back. Glad to have you. Was it primarily crescent's first half of t1 that made an impression on you? Because she spent a lot of time being upset at me, but you think I've been sort of unintentionally under the radar.

I would have to say mostly first half. crescent missed a couple pages and then started posting more with post 391 and none of that stuff registered much. I would also say that what is there feels like it's more directed at sultan than yourself.

Leafeon13N posted...

Game mechanics. There is no solo queue. You choose either survivor or killer and queue from there. Both could essentially be considered solo queue.

Okay, so not relevant then. But I'm not interested in trying to figure out the specifics of what town is named or why they might be named that. It's just a given that we all know our faction name so town clearing for a gut response to something we read a day before just isn't something I'm willing to do.

Though there is that other part of SBell's opening post that makes me feel more like clearing him (and feel worse about Ben), but I'd just as soon not get into any specifics.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


My assumption is that scum would ALSO have traits though. It's just such an inconsistency no matter how you slice it.

It'll be hilarious if we found an actual 3rd party who doesn't have traits and is uniquely positioned to be confused by the OP.

PunishedBen posted...

For my side of the story on what I was doing - I was genuinely trying to figure out if Sultan has ever legitimately thought I was being TMI when he was town. Because if so I will find it easier to believe he could be town this game and sussing me for the reasons he is giving. If not, my only memory of him shouting TMI TMI was the Star Trek game, where he beat me, and I am better at remembering times when I failed.

You might be right that Death tries to be just as helpful as both alignments. My memory is different but my memory sucks. I just find he cares more as town, and when scum his research is all trying to make walls and look like he cares

Thanks for providing your context. That's definitely a valid town perspective that i can appreciate. I think i said something along these lines at the time, but it felt like Sultan was kind of piggy backing off of my own assessments of your words without saying as much. Even though i Cohosted star trek and roughly followed along, i don't really remember too much of the specifics of the game arc as it relates to you.

My memory also sucks, but I've been wrong about thinking death is scum a LOT and had the pleasure of being scum with him shortly after those mistakes. I do think he cares about the games in general, and I've seen him put in the research as both alignments. Dumey and lopen are like that too, they go hard in the archives regardless of their win con.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Crescent-Moon

Thought 'solo queue' was a weirdly named scum faction. This sticks out to me because why would 'solo' connect with a team of scum? I couldn't even guess what the scum faction would be named, but it's possible crescent was using her own experience of ACTUALLY being confused by a weird scum faction name to try to relate to those posting about their own thoughts on the faction name/s?

Said "All players have "Traits"? If I have a "Trait", I have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be."

Uh, what? It's pretty OBVIOUS from my role PM what my trait/s is/are. Like that's the entirety of my role with the definition/s provided after. But I would assume even scum would have traits so this doesn't even make sense as a scum slip. I just don't understand how you could have a trait and not know it. Crescent made more posts about this throughout page 3 and no one seems to care or is running with it.
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That COULD be a good point, but my conclusion was that she was not trying to relate to us or blend in at all, otherwise she wouldn't have said the aforementioned stuff about "What is a trait?". I think its pretty normal, or at least NAI for her to be above flavor conversation so much that she acts like she didnt even read it lol

Traits aren't flavor though.

To her they are because they're a word other than the defined mafia terms.