Current Events > People are getting DQ'd from Pokemon Worlds for hacked pokemon

(+) Yeah! (+)

CM_Ponch posted...

How can Person A practice for 24 hours if they have to rebuild a team?

Showdown exists and is very easy to use while you're going around in circles waiting for eggs to hatch.

How can B practice for 24 hours when they need to learn how to hack their switch and how to get genned pokemon for 23 hours? See, I can stack it against someone too.

lucariopikmin posted...

How can B practice for 24 hours when they need to learn how to hack their switch and how to get genned pokemon for 23 hours? See, I can stack it against someone too.

A 2 hour long hacking process that gives them countless free hours is stacking against them? Are you going to argue that all the DQ'd VGC players spent the last year learning how to mod their Switch?

CM_Ponch posted...

A 2 hour long hacking process that gives them countless free hours is stacking against them?

Breeding anything doesn't take long at all either, let's say only 1 hour considering you're fine picking how long it takes B, yet you instantly saw it as a handicap while ignoring that things like showdown exist so yes, you were stacking it against person A with a very specific scenario to begin with.

CM_Ponch posted...

Are you going to argue that all the DQ'd VGC players spent the last year learning how to mod their Switch?

Are you gonna argue that all the legit players need a year to breed their team?

CM_Ponch posted...

How is using a third party system to skip playing the game not cheating?

Because Nintendo is fucking stupid regarding things like this. There's no reason the process needs to take weeks as you grind for rng, especially with a meta that changes as fast as pokemon.

They aren't skipping playing the game, they're skipping TO playing the game. What actually matters is the competitive gameplay, not the fucking endless breeding and praying for rng.

lucariopikmin posted...

Breeding anything doesn't take long at all either, let's say only 1 hour considering you're fine picking how long it takes B, yet you instantly saw it as a handicap while ignoring that things like showdown exist so yes, you were stacking it against person A with a very specific scenario to begin with.

On hour 20 both players realize they made a mistake on a pokemon, who is at an advantage

lucariopikmin posted...

Are you gonna argue that all the legit players need a year to breed their team?

No, like you said it takes a few hours. So why do genners feel entitled to it if it "doesn't give an advantage"

RuneterranSnap posted...

Because Nintendo is f***ing stupid regarding things like this. There's no reason the process needs to take weeks as you grind for rng, especially with a meta that changes as fast as pokemon.

Outside of 0 IV, what RNG are you grinding for? You can legally change IVs, natures, and abilities in game now

RuneterranSnap posted...

Because Nintendo is fucking stupid regarding things like this. There's no reason the process needs to take weeks as you grind for rng, especially with a meta that changes as fast as pokemon.

They aren't skipping playing the game, they're skipping TO playing the game. What actually matters is the competitive gameplay, not the fucking endless breeding and praying for rng.

Except they arent stupid and this is basically how all competitions work with video games. Third party devices and programs are not allowed for use.

Cuz I'd rather use that extra time to cook a steak, or work out, or deed to big titty porn rather than monotonously running eggs around until I hatch like 50 of them for the right mon and then grind out levels and items for it

RuneterranSnap posted...

Because Nintendo is fucking stupid regarding things like this. There's no reason the process needs to take weeks as you grind for rng, especially with a meta that changes as fast as pokemon.

It doesn't matter if the process takes weeks, months, or even years.

If you bypass the process then you cheated. It's literally that simple. I'm glad cheaters are getting DQ'd.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

Cuz I'd rather use that extra time to cook a steak, or work out, or deed to big titty porn rather than monotonously running eggs around until I hatch like 50 of them for the right mon and then grind out levels and items for it

Then TPC decided that you're not allowed to enter an official money tournament, let alone the biggest of the year

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

It doesn't matter if the process takes weeks, months, or even years.

If you bypass the process then you cheated. It's literally that simple. I'm glad cheaters are getting DQ'd.

It matters quite a bit in fact. They didn't cheat. Everything they used was within legal bounds.

RuneterranSnap posted...

It matters quite a bit in fact. They didn't cheat. Everything they used was within legal bounds.

If it was legal it would have passed the legality check

CM_Ponch posted...

Then TPC decided that you're not allowed to enter an official money tournament, let alone the biggest of the year

Only if you hack like a moron

Baha05 posted...

Except they arent stupid and this is basically how all competitions work with video games. Third party devices and programs are not allowed for use.

Except they are stupid and bypassing that stupidity isn't cheating.

CM_Ponch posted...

Outside of 0 IV, what RNG are you grinding for? You can legally change IVs, natures, and in game now

Well this does change things a little but it's still not cheating. Focusing in the setup of the team(beyond making sure it's in legal bounds) over the actual gameplay is ridiculously stupid. This is like saying a counterstrike team should be disqualified because they practiced in a non standard manner.

RuneterranSnap posted...

It matters quite a bit in fact. They didn't cheat. Everything they used was within legal bounds.

They did cheat, which is why they got caught. They wouldn't have gotten caught if they did literally everything within legal bounds. Genning and not getting caught is very easy to do, which means the people who got caught were even being lazy within their own genning methods, and ended up ultimately doing something that isn't legal, even if it ended up in a legal Pokemon.

CM_Ponch posted...

If it was legal it would have passed the legality check

It wasn't legal because Nintendo are dumb. Still not cheating.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Except they are stupid and bypassing that stupidity isn't cheating.

Well this does change things a little but it's still not cheating. Focusing in the setup of the team(beyond making sure it's in legal bounds) over the actual gameplay is ridiculously stupid. This is like saying a counterstrike team should be disqualified because they practiced in a non standard manner.

It is cheating because the very nature of the design isnt going to allow for such a thing. You can get butthurt about it all you want their tournaments their rules.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Well this does change things a little but it's still not cheating. Focusing in the setup of the team(beyond making sure it's in legal bounds) over the actual gameplay is ridiculously stupid. This is like saying a counterstrike team should be disqualified because they practiced in a non standard manner.

If counterstrike required you to earn your equipment and teams started genning that equipment in it would be the same thing. Half of the process in Pokemon is team building, you are intended to actually build and raise the team to a competitive level. Genners skip that half.

RuneterranSnap posted...

It wasn't legal because Nintendo are dumb. Still not cheating.

You didn't even know how much can be done in game

Baha05 posted...

It is cheating because the very nature of the design isnt going to allow for such a thing. You can get butthurt about it all you want their tournaments their rules.

If it doesn't give an unfair advantage, and this doesn't, it's not cheating. End of story.

RuneterranSnap posted...

If it doesn't give an unfair advantage, and this doesn't, it's not cheating. End of story.

If it doesn't give advantage then why do you need it?

CM_Ponch posted...

If it doesn't give advantage then why do you need it?

Because time is limited and valuable and not something that should be needlessly wasted.

Would you rather watch a porno that takes like 3 hours to get going because they film the entire set up, light check, mic check, girl getting make up, dude snorting a line of coke to get hard, director telling them about the direction he wants the behind the balls shot to take place, and then it starts proper? Or do you just start the video and skip to the good part because all that other shit is a waste of time to watch?

That's exactly how genning vs. raising is like >_>

RuneterranSnap posted...

If it doesn't give an unfair advantage, and this doesn't, it's not cheating. End of story.

It is cheating regardless because their official rules do not allow for it regardless of advantages. And arguably again if people are working to get their Pokemon tournament legal by playing the game then cutting out any time for that is an advantage

RuneterranSnap posted...

It wasn't legal because Nintendo are dumb. Still not cheating.

It is quite literally cheating, by the rules of the tournament. If you don't like the rules, don't enter the tournament.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Because time is limited and valuable and not something that should be needlessly wasted.

Then don't enter literally World Championships if you don't want to spend time?

StealThisSheen posted...

Then don't enter literally World Championships if you don't want to spend time?

Stop gatekeeping! People who favor genning Pokemon

Baha05 posted...

It is cheating regardless because their official rules do not allow for it regardless of advantages. And arguably again if people are working to get their Pokemon tournament legal by playing the game then cutting out any time for that is an advantage

Nope. Illegal but not cheating.

StealThisSheen posted...

Then don't enter literally World Championships if you don't want to spend time?

Mindless Nintendo bootlicking. Gameplay is what matters time should only be spent labbing and practicing.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Nope. Illegal but not cheating.

Mindless Nintendo bootlicking. Gameplay is what matters time should only be spent labbing and practicing.

It still the same thing and in any case their rules are their rules. You cant claim it is stupid when money is on the line and then complain if you get caught.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Because time is limited and valuable and not something that should be needlessly wasted.

That's an advantage

StealThisSheen posted...

It is quite literally cheating, by the rules of the tournament. If you don't like the rules, don't enter the tournament.

Doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be considered for reevaluation or free from criticism. If the only thing this changes is saving time for the top competitors and offers no competitive advantage, I think it should be legal.

I cannot see how people can defend this. They say you cannot have illegal mons in the game. Yet the defenses are it takes too long (when it doesnt) or some people do not get caught (only the lazy genner's which you realize is still against the rules but a "gray area"). If I took my time to make a good team and lost to someone who genned a team the night before and watched a few youtube videos on strategy, then I would be upset that I put in hard work making a good team to someone who cheated (which by tournament rules is cheating). It is kind of silly to grind that little bit, but that is what separates the people dedicated to winning a tournament.

CM_Ponch posted...

On hour 20 both players realize they made a mistake on a pokemon, who is at an advantage

Person A because they didn't make a mistake during genning which flagged the pokemon as an obvious hack that person B is spending 5 hours to figure out. And this could actually be a legit reason if you want to get technical, B is at a bigger risk of getting caught the more gets edited.

But serious answer, neither because it doesn't take long to fix it and both can still practice during their fix time.

CM_Ponch posted...

So why do genners feel entitled to it if it "doesn't give an advantage"

Which ones are saying that besides people with obvious bad hacks because every time I see one justifying it they say it's because of ease of use or because they don't have time to get the right stuff because of something like real life.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Mindless Nintendo bootlicking. Gameplay is what matters time should only be spent labbing and practicing.

It's an official tournament. You are not entitled entry into an official tournament if you don't want to follow the rules. This is how the world works. Deal with it.

Baha05 posted...

It still the same thing and in any case their rules are their rules. You cant claim it is stupid when money is on the line and then complain if you get caught.

I can absolutely call it stupid because it is.

StealThisSheen posted...

It's an official tournament. You are not entitled entry into an official tournament if you don't want to follow the rules. This is how the world works. Deal with it.

I am entitled to call out the rules for their stupidity and shame the company for not doing better.

i said it before and ill say it again. anybody crying "waaah i dont wanna follow your rules and you have to let me enter your tournament anyway!" is spoiled and would be laughed out of anything else. holy shit are people here entitled

voldothegr8 posted...

Doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be considered for reevaluation or free from criticism. If the only thing this changes is saving time for the top competitors and offers no competitive advantage, I think it should be legal.

The problem is that the rules in question apply to the majority of all video game competitions because it it literally software editing that is taking place regardless if people are doing it under the idea of fairness

I definitely understand why sloppily-genned Pokemon would be banned from an official tournament. The rule makes sense on a surface level, but I ultimately think it's pretty arbitrary.

When it comes to Pokemon battling, the core decisions people make involve figuring out a team, determining a moveset/item/usecase for each individual Pokemon, and executing the strategy properly. There are also knowledge checks of the opponents Pokemon/strategy which can influence important tactical decisions like switches. Match variance comes in the form of crits, accuracy, and certain status effects.

Raising and breeding Pokemon yourself isn't apart of any of that. If this was a metric that was actually measured in the tournament, traded Pokemon would be banned alongside generated ones.

CM_Ponch posted...

What genre do you think the competitive battling is in?

The point they're making is that in-game battling and competitive battling are essentially two different games. Competitive battling involves exploring/understanding the depths of Pokemon's battle system, while in-game fights can generally be steamrolled with an overleveled Pokemon. A fair amount of the competitive player base spends significantly more time theorycrafting and battling more than any other portion of the games. It's really not much different from the people in the FGC who skip the story mode to spend all their time in ranked or the lab.

You'd think they'd be willing to meet in the middle. Considering how they're happy to make everything else in the series quicker and easier. Might get more people attending too.

this franchise brings out the worst people

RuneterranSnap posted...

I am entitled to call out the rules for their stupidity and shame the company for not doing better.

"an official tournament wants me to actually play the game, waaaah this is so unfair!" lmao

StealThisSheen posted...

This is how the world works.

Literally how the world works is that half those dudes are genning pokemon anyway and dont get caught. All you're doing is putting yourself at a disadvantage because you want to follow a dumb rule like a drone while everyone else passes them by. The rule is only there to stop people from making illegal hacks like wonder guard on everything or something. Deal with it.

RuneterranSnap posted...

I can absolutely call it stupid because it is.

I am entitled to call out the rules for their stupidity and shame the company for not doing better.

You can I guess but that just makes you look foolish for it.

k1zzl3_82 posted...

I cannot see how people can defend this. They say you cannot have illegal mons in the game. Yet the defenses are it takes too long (when it doesnt) or some people do not get caught (only the lazy genner's which you realize is still against the rules but a "gray area"). If I took my time to make a good team and lost to someone who genned a team the night before and watched a few youtube videos on strategy, then I would be upset that I put in hard work making a good team to someone who cheated (which by tournament rules is cheating). It is kind of silly to grind that little bit, but that is what separates the people dedicated to winning a tournament.

Is that something you think actually happens?

CM_Ponch posted...

Outside of 0 IV, what RNG are you grinding for? You can legally change IVs, natures, and in game now

Yeah. You can even get HAs.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

You'd think they'd be willing to meet in the middle. Considering how they're happy to make everything else in the series quicker and easier. Might get more people attending too.

They technically ARE meeting people in the middle. Properly genned Pokemon don't get caught. Literally the only people getting caught are the ones who not only genned their Pokemon, but did so in such a lazy manner that they ended up doing something illegal, which triggered the detection in the first place. The ones who actually put effort into genning their Pokemon to be legal aren't getting caught.

Gamefreak1000 posted...

I definitely understand why sloppily-genned Pokemon would be banned from an official tournament. The rule makes sense on a surface level, but I ultimately think it's pretty arbitrary.

When it comes to Pokemon battling, the core decisions people make involve figuring out a team, determining a moveset/item/usecase for each individual Pokemon, and executing the strategy properly. There are also knowledge checks of the opponents Pokemon/strategy which can influence important tactical decisions like switches. Match variance comes in the form of crits, accuracy, and certain status effects.

Raising and breeding Pokemon yourself isn't apart of any of that. If this was a metric that was actually measured in the tournament, traded Pokemon would be banned alongside generated ones.

Exactly

voldothegr8 posted...

Doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be considered for reevaluation or free from criticism. If the only thing this changes is saving time for the top competitors and offers no competitive advantage, I think it should be legal.

That is another discussion then. Not relevant to this one though

Ferroseed posted...

"an official tournament wants me to actually play the game, waaaah this is so unfair!" lmao

Except this has nothing to do with actually playing the game and has zero negative effect.

Baha05 posted...

You can I guess but that just makes you look foolish for it.

Nope.