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CM_Ponch
08/11/23 5:53:12 PM
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And crying about it
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BewmHedshot
08/11/23 5:55:49 PM
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Are Pokemon players like, idiots or something? "I cheated at this tournament and got DQ'd woe is me"? Or is cheating like accepted in the community because of something dumb Nintendo does? These dudes are way too casual about it.
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CM_Ponch
08/11/23 5:57:33 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
Are Pokemon players like, idiots or something? "I cheated at this tournament and got DQ'd woe is me"? Or is cheating like accepted in the community because of something dumb Nintendo does? These dudes are way too casual about it.
They're just so used to getting away with it that they think they shouldn't be punished

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Baha05
08/11/23 6:00:03 PM
#5:


BewmHedshot posted...
Are Pokemon players like, idiots or something? "I cheated at this tournament and got DQ'd woe is me"? Or is cheating like accepted in the community because of something dumb Nintendo does? These dudes are way too casual about it.
Cheating in a sense is normalized by the community long as its something that can be gotten legitimately

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C_Pain
08/11/23 6:02:37 PM
#6:


What does it mean to be hacked/modified?

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DeadBankerDream
08/11/23 6:02:48 PM
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I wouldn't consider this cheating.

I also wouldn't consider it wrong for tournament organizers to ban it.

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DeadBankerDream
08/11/23 6:03:34 PM
#8:


C_Pain posted...
What does it mean to be hacked/modified?
Means they created the pokemon they wanted with an input instead of spending hours praying to RNGesus while breedchaining it.

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C_Pain
08/11/23 6:04:52 PM
#9:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Means they created the pokemon they wanted with an input instead of spending hours praying to RNGesus while breedchaining it.
So you can do well at a tournament because you happen to get good IVs? I feel like it should be the case that you just use the best version of a pokemon and the skill comes from the move set and strategy.

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ZMythos
08/11/23 6:05:45 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Means they created the pokemon they wanted with an input instead of spending hours praying to RNGesus while breedchaining it.
Breeding is next to pointless in SV anyway. Egg moves, IVs, nature, tera type, and abilities are all easily attainable with ingame items that hardly require effort to get compared to previous games.

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Kim_Seong-a
08/11/23 6:06:03 PM
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C_Pain posted...
What does it mean to be hacked/modified?

It means the Pokemon was created with 3rd party software and then added into the game via save editor.

The game has no idea whether or not a Pokemon is hacked though, provided you actually learn how to use the software.

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Son_Of_Spam
08/11/23 6:08:44 PM
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It's stupidly easy to make a hacked Pokemon look legit. They're good enough to get into the tournament but can't even do that?

Also the newer games have made hacking less needed in some ways. It's not that hard to get max IVs legitimately with hypertraining.

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Baha05
08/11/23 6:09:03 PM
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C_Pain posted...
So you can do well at a tournament because you happen to get good IVs? I feel like it should be the case that you just use the best version of a pokemon and the skill comes from the move set and strategy.
Kinda though two things to really consider is how competitive the scene is and the two sides.

One side using legit Pokemon who spent years breeding and training them to the max potential they have to be tournament ready. And the other side doing the same but basically doing what they would call legit hacking meaning they are simply creating the Pokemon to be as legal as possible without putting in the work.

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Trumpo
08/11/23 6:09:10 PM
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Skill issue with pkhex, not that hard to gen "legal" Pokemon.

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CM_Ponch
08/11/23 6:09:15 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Means they created the pokemon they wanted with an input instead of spending hours praying to RNGesus while breedchaining it.
That's not even needed with how easy SV made it to get a pokemon competitive ready

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_Raich_
08/11/23 6:09:43 PM
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Having to manually search, find, grind, etc as well as spend money for every version of every game and side game that could have some variation of a pokemon that would give an advantage is pretty damn exhausting just to play the game at high level.

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pnut027
08/11/23 6:09:48 PM
#17:


C_Pain posted...
So you can do well at a tournament because you happen to get good IVs? I feel like it should be the case that you just use the best version of a pokemon and the skill comes from the move set and strategy.
Wasnt Stadium like that?

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Baha05
08/11/23 6:10:16 PM
#18:


CM_Ponch posted...
That's not even needed with how easy SV made it to get a pokemon competitive ready
Doesnt really negate people not wanting to do even the bare minimum though which is a problem that gets swept under the rug because mah legally hacked Pokemon

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:11:05 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Means they created the pokemon they wanted with an input instead of spending hours praying to RNGesus while breedchaining it.

You don't even have to spend hours anymore. Ever since SwSh, it has been very easy. These people are just lazy.

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Anteaterking
08/11/23 6:11:53 PM
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Competitive Pokemon has always been uncompelling to me. I'm fine with this being a rule, but I think it comes with the inherent admission that arbitrary barriers need to be put in place to increase the "skill ceiling" because the game can't provide enough on its own.

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Baha05
08/11/23 6:11:56 PM
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_Raich_ posted...
Having to manually search, find, grind, etc as well as spend money for every version of every game and side game that could have some variation of a pokemon that would give an advantage is pretty damn exhausting just to play the game at high level.
Thats generally how high level gaming tends to be in games.

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:12:03 PM
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_Raich_ posted...
Having to manually search, find, grind, etc as well as spend money for every version of every game and side game that could have some variation of a pokemon that would give an advantage is pretty damn exhausting just to play the game at high level.

The latest games (Sword and Shield, Scarlet and Violet) have made getting competitive teams VERY easy, so it's not really an excuse, anymore. It used to be in the past, but now people are just being lazy.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 6:12:12 PM
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That's dumb. I'd rather spend 5 minutes making a legal hack than like 2-3 days rnging some eggs for the right nature, IVs, egg moves, abilities, gender, etc. to all line up. Fuck that nonsense >_> I like having a life

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 6:13:19 PM
#24:


C_Pain posted...
So you can do well at a tournament because you happen to get good IVs? I feel like it should be the case that you just use the best version of a pokemon and the skill comes from the move set and strategy.
Exactly. That's how it should be and that's why hacking mons is fine imo

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:13:41 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Competitive Pokemon has always been uncompelling to me. I'm fine with this being a rule, but I think it comes with the inherent admission that arbitrary barriers need to be put in place to increase the "skill ceiling" because the game can't provide enough on its own.

It's the opposite, actually. People are trying to cheat and generate Pokemon because they don't want to spend the time to create their own teams, even despite how easy it has become, lately. There is no skill ceiling involved. People just got used to being lazy due to previous games, and now they don't want to spent even the minimal amount of time in the recent games that made competitive Pokemon much, much easier to get into.

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:14:22 PM
#26:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
That's dumb. I'd rather spend 5 minutes making a legal hack than like 2-3 days rnging some eggs for the right nature, IVs, egg moves, abilities, etc. Fuck that nonsense >_> I like having a life

You don't have to do that anymore, and haven't had to since SwSh.

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DirkDiggles
08/11/23 6:14:48 PM
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Awww. my heart aches for these cheaters. If you cheat, do it in a single player game where it's not in a competition. How hard is that to grasp? Gamers today are entitled Karens.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 6:15:43 PM
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Well I dont want spend hours to grind out the bullshit amount of BP needed for the items to do than then. Youre just replacing one tedium for another >_>

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:16:29 PM
#29:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Well I dont want spend hours to grind out the bullshit amount of BP needed for the items to do than then.

"I don't want to spend days to do this."
"You don't have to."
"Well, I don't want to spend any time at all to do this."

Then don't play competitive and enter official tournaments. It's that easy.

"I don't want to put in any effort at all" is lazy, plain and simple.

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Baha05
08/11/23 6:16:33 PM
#30:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Well I dont want spend hours to grind out the bullshit amount of BP needed for the items to do than then.
That is why you wont win a tournament

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 6:17:52 PM
#31:


Baha05 posted...
That is why you wont win a tournament
I would if they unchain these limiters! It's like those dumb hippies that think GMO food is bad because it's modified. Same with legal hacked pokemon >_>

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
08/11/23 6:19:45 PM
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I used to play competitive.

We kinda liken it to, "In a fighting game you don't have to spend literally hundreds of hours making your perfect fighter based on sometimes entirely random chance. Ryu is just Ryu"

Competition should be about strategy, not spending hundreds of hours to get the Pokemon stats to the point of being usable.

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:21:09 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I used to play competitive.

We kinda liken it to, "In a fighting game you don't have to spend literally hundreds of hours making your perfect fighter based on sometimes entirely random chance. Ryu is just Ryu"

Competition should be about strategy, not spending hundreds of hours to get the Pokemon stats to the point of being usable.

Luckily, that hasn't been a thing for several years, now, so it's no longer an excuse to cheat. People just got used to genning Pokemon and now don't want to put in ANY effort, no matter how minimal.

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Anteaterking
08/11/23 6:21:17 PM
#34:


StealThisSheen posted...
It's the opposite, actually. People are trying to cheat and generate Pokemon because they don't want to spend the time to create their own teams, even despite how easy it has become, lately. There is no skill ceiling involved. People just got used to being lazy due to previous games, and now they don't want to spent even the minimal amount of time in the recent games that made competitive Pokemon much, much easier to get into.

So you believe that part of the strategic depth in Pokemon is going through the process of getting the Pokemon.

I mean it's fine if you think that but it doesn't reflect well on Pokemon as a competitive strategic game.

You could imagine if on the first day of a chess tournament you were required to carve out your pieces for the tournament from a block. Would that make the chess any more strategic or interesting? It would nominally increase the skill level (in that it adds something you have to be able to do) but that's not the same as making the game any deeper.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 6:21:55 PM
#35:


StealThisSheen posted...


"I don't want to put in any effort at all" is lazy, plain and simple.
It's not lazy. It's dumb >_> I like having a life, bro

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leonzill
08/11/23 6:22:11 PM
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"The items are easy to get" if you don't mind grinding for them forever. The competitive aspect is supposed to be the teambuilding and the outplaying in-battle. Nintendy should just make their own version of Pokemon Showdown and let people compete through that. The grindfest is a bore, let me just plug in the numbers that I want and spend my playtime actually playing instead of doing chores to get my team to a usable state.
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ZMythos
08/11/23 6:22:21 PM
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_Raich_ posted...
Having to manually search, find, grind, etc as well as spend money for every version of every game and side game that could have some variation of a pokemon that would give an advantage is pretty damn exhausting just to play the game at high level.
You don't even have to do that anymore.

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ZMythos
08/11/23 6:23:04 PM
#38:


leonzill posted...
"The items are easy to get" if you don't mind grinding for them forever.
It's hardly even a grind.

Lotta people making excuses when this isn't even an issue in current generation.

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ProfessorKukui
08/11/23 6:23:14 PM
#39:


Trumpo posted...
Skill issue with pkhex, not that hard to gen "legal" Pokemon.


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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:23:29 PM
#40:


Anteaterking posted...
So you believe that part of the strategic depth in Pokemon is going through the process of getting the Pokemon.

I mean it's fine if you think that but it doesn't reflect well on Pokemon as a competitive strategic game.

You could imagine if on the first day of a chess tournament you were required to carve out your pieces for the tournament from a block. Would that make the chess any more strategic or interesting? It would nominally increase the skill level (in that it adds something you have to be able to do) but that's not the same as making the game any deeper.

Chess has a specific limited amount of pieces, so it doesn't apply to Pokemon. Pokemon has literally hundreds of options, and thus, building up said options is applicable, and makes the chess comparison invalid.

They have made it EXTREMELY easy to build a competitive team, now. Instead of taking days, it takes a couple hours, tops.

The issue is that people got so used to just genning Pokemon instantly and not putting in effort (in response to how long it took previously) that, now, even when it takes next to no time at all, they don't want to expend the effort because they've grown spoiled by genning things.

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:24:15 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
It's not lazy. It's dumb >_> I like having a life, bro

You have to spend time getting good at ANY multiplayer game to become good at it, so this "I want to have a life" argument doesn't apply. Creating a Pokemon team takes much less time than getting good at any fighting or shooting game, for example.

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Requiem
08/11/23 6:24:49 PM
#43:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Means they created the pokemon they wanted with an input instead of spending hours praying to RNGesus while breedchaining it.

Sort of surprised that there's a way to detect which one is which.

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MarthGoomba
08/11/23 6:25:54 PM
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Hacking your pokemon goes against the whole point of being a Pokemon trainer, does it not?

Fighting game players spend thousands upon thousands of hours perfecting their skills, but a Pokemon player can't spend a couple days legitimately building their team? That's just sad.

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:26:03 PM
#45:


Requiem posted...
Sort of surprised that there's a way to detect which one is which.

Gen'd Pokemon tend to have values you can't normally obtain in the normal game. So even if their stats are "legal," there will be a data tell that tells the game "I didn't do this legitimately." For example (and this isn't literal, just an example), but a legit Pokemon will have data that, to a machine, translates to "I leveled up this way, and I used items to get this, and so on," whereas a Gen'd Pokemon will lack that, and just have data that says "This is what I came into existence as." And the games can tell.

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Heineken14
08/11/23 6:27:05 PM
#46:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
That's dumb. I'd rather spend 5 minutes making a legal hack than like 2-3 days rnging some eggs for the right nature, IVs, egg moves, abilities, gender, etc. to all line up. Fuck that nonsense >_> I like having a life


I feel like this runs counter to the argument of being a competitive *insert hobby here*.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/11/23 6:28:52 PM
#47:


StealThisSheen posted...
You have to spend time getting good at ANY multiplayer game to become good at it, so this "I want to have a life" argument doesn't apply. Creating a Pokemon team takes much less time than getting good at any fighting or shooting game, for example.
Thats like saying making your arcade stick out of scratch is part of practicing your skill for Street Fighter VI lol.

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StealThisSheen
08/11/23 6:33:09 PM
#48:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
Thats like saying making your arcade stick out of scratch is part of practicing your skill for Street Fighter VI lol.

Not at all. This is a bad post and you should feel bad.

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Anteaterking
08/11/23 6:33:19 PM
#49:


MarthGoomba posted...
Hacking your pokemon goes against the whole point of being a Pokemon trainer, does it not?

Fighting game players spend thousands upon thousands of hours perfecting their skills, but a Pokemon player can't spend a couple days legitimately building their team? That's just sad.

The hours spent in a fighting game are actually making the player better at what people would consider the actual game (the match). A fighting game equivalent is if you played Game and Watch at a melee tournament and got dq-ed because you didn't actually unlock him legitimately.

StealThisSheen posted...
The issue is that people got so used to just genning Pokemon instantly and not putting in effort (in response to how long it took previously) that, now, even when it takes next to no time at all, they don't want to expend the effort because they've grown spoiled by genning things.

In this whole post you aren't actually arguing the lack of merits of genning or the strategic depth that comes from not genning, just the amount of work it takes to replicate.


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ZMythos
08/11/23 6:34:13 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
Thats like saying making your arcade stick out of scratch is part of practicing your skill for Street Fighter VI lol.
More like saying frame data and hitboxes aren't 100% fully visible and accessible so it's not fair to players who don't take the time to learn about it.

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