Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia Topic 5 - Running on Batteries

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Okay but millers and BGs are fundamentally different in many ways
When they should claim is one aspect of that

Well I just meant that I claimed before wallz and you claimed after, so it's inherently more trustworthy

Inherently sure
But even your role would have more of a reason to claim then me

Since wallz told Dumey the 3rd person, the ways in which town gets screwed is if one of the two things happen:

• Scum kills them both in the same night
• Dumey is scum and misleads town on what to do after wallz dies

I think the second one is unlikely. So the first one is the main concern.
Just going to type this path out for myself...

Assuming we started with 4 scum:
D2 9/3
Lynch death and he is town 8/3
Scum kills both wallz and dumey 6/3
Town mislynch 5/3
Scum kills sultan and he is town 4/3
Sultan misfires 3/3 gg

In that one specific scenario, town is screwed over for wallz/dumey not sharing who the third person is. It requires both death and sultan to be town, and for scum to have an extra shot that they've been hanging on to, and for Sultan to miss on a 50% shot, and for scum to take that risk in the first place.

So tldr - if you are town, Death, we have the direction of where to go next. But it's quite interesting that you're not leaving us any suggestions for tomorrow except "hey don't treat mzero as golden".

Oh and duh, that scenario ALSO requires mzero to be unable to get wallz' results

Or mzero to be scum

I mean you can continue day all you want but I wasn't kidding when I said I basically can't play Saturday and my quick read didn't really make it look like there was a reason to do anything different. My idea of the game hasn't exactly changed from yesterday.

Peaf dont go all 'hmmm interesting" on me
I am not even close to done leaving suggestions

I bodyguarded Red night1 and tried to guard Peaf night2. Thats it.

Btw I am jumping ahead of the notes I will post later

But EDumey himself jumping ahead to a world where Lopen was already outed as scum to discuss his naming of Corrik/Sultan (and later Ulti) as sacrifices...
In the face of his actions and claim I can only surmise that EDumey is a hidden genius.

Though that doesnt say much at all about Ulti/Corrik/Sultan themselves
Its not even a technical rule of 3 since he only (jokingly?) voted Ulti because Sultan RNGed his way there.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ive been sick so tell me how hes dead to rights

Wallz watched death, mzero, and one other person visit red n1. Dumey neighbor'd with Wallz n2. They both agree that the third person who visited red n1 is probably town and don't want to out them as power. Mzero claimed before wallz on d2 and so looks better. Thus, unless there is a ninja in the game for a limited use watch, Death probably killed red n1.

Peace___Frog posted...

Wallz watched death, mzero, and one other person visit red n1. Dumey neighbor'd with Wallz n2. They both agree that the third person who visited red n1 is probably town and don't want to out them as power. Mzero claimed before wallz on d2 and so looks better. Thus, unless there is a ninja in the game for a limited use watch, Death probably killed red n1.

Furthermore, Death targeted me n2. I used my commute n2, and i believe that it's why no one died n2.

Which is as you can see, not the definition of dead to rights

Peace___Frog posted...

Furthermore, Death targeted me n2. I used my commute n2, and i believe that it's why no one died n2.

The actual killer also targeted you obviously

Ok. It's no guilty scan. It's a lot of circumstantial evidence.

My proposition is that if you flip town, in d4 we should kill the third person that targeted red n1. If they are also town, then we kill mzero.

The only way we don't have room for 2 mislynches is if scum used their strongman n1 but saved an extra kill. In a game with Sultan's power, i doubt scum has an extra kill. So either Sultan is lying scum, or scum does not have an extra kill.

I mean you have to admit bodyguarding the NK twice and surviving both times as bodyguard is pretty suspicious

htaeD posted...

The actual killer also targeted you obviously

Unless wallz is correct that this third person who targeted red n1 is some kind of Protection, and they made the night winning save instead of me.

I still don't think that that player is protection, for the record. But wallz and dumey think they're town regardless.

Except in both instances there are clear reasons for why I survived
Peaf did not die at all and you cant even argue that Red was a normal kill since a doc should also have protected him.

Peace___Frog posted...

Unless wallz is correct that this third person who targeted red n1 is some kind of Protection, and they made the night winning save instead of me.

I still don't think that that player is protection, for the record. But wallz and dumey think they're town regardless.

So you think town has no protection at all???

Also scum has shown that they can have 2 powers at the same time, so dont exclude ninja strongman from your future theories.

Granted I doubt anyone has the will to even entertain that theory while I am alive.

Anyway have the first post Lopen made that you can rule of 3

I think I'm cool with Dumey, Mzero, Mattress lynches right now without reading a lot into who is suspecting me. Dumey not for suspecting me as much as him trying to pair me and red before suspecting me. Seems like pointless thought experiment. Also for posting a lot of words about red without saying as much as wallz who posted way less words. Sbell is also a decent pick because he's exactly the type of scum profile I'd expect to claim miller early and the flavor feels really on the nose.

Granted he led up to Marth and Mzero being on his top 3, but I still doubt EDumey is the scum in there.

Granted I say Granted too much

Lopen did go after Death pretty hard day 1, which we should keep in mind

I claimed BG after the first kill happened, not the second.
And of course I didnt plan to claim at all for as long as possible, but then Wallz came in with his watch and forced my hand.

That's -1 again. Careful.

Ulti I am at -1 now and I am trying to leave town with my reads and notes
Unvote me

If we are talking purely setup meta then i buy bg more than i buy standard doc.

Thank you

Also thats not what I was saying anyway
I am not saying you should believe me because I am uncounted protection.
I believe there is another protection out there and the 3rd name could be him.

What i was saying is that it sounded like Peaf didnt believe in town having a doc or a BG

Thanks.

Even though corrik and Marth both wanted this to end ten hours ago and ctes can't be here today, i wanted to delay things so that you could at least be present and caught up, Ulti.

And since we're here and talking through things i think there's some value in getting death's thoughts in the events that he is actually town

Allthough now it just sounds like Peaf wants to believe me?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lopen busses people. Hard. He also tries pocketing town (me) by confirming them. Thats not a point in Deaths favor.

Not a point against me either tho!

Lopen was on Sultan day 1 and then randomly changed course and started grilling death

tbh i still feel like Sultan is scum and Lopen was trying to drive the lynch onto death instead

htaeD posted...

Allthough now it just sounds like Peaf wants to believe me?

I'd believe you much more if you hadn't claimed to target me instead of Wallz or Dumey, who objectively looked townier than me n2, and one of whom gave far better night info to town than i could.

Anyway I am not even close to finishing my notes, but I will say I do like Ulti

There was that moment where Lopen then tried to shade Sbells miller claim a bit, (which also makes me like Sbell a bit more). Ulti calling Lopen out for doing this kind of shading as scum all the time and Lopen shrugged Ulti off as just doing what he always does without trying to refute Ulti's point really.
This I do not see as a scum/scum interaction myself.

I don't mind killing Sultan today and having him point his gun at death, if we want to just kill them both (assuming Sultan is town). If they're both town though, we lose ourselves a day in the grand scheme of things.

But yeah Sultan is probably scum.

Lopen posted...

Sultan
Mattress
Death
Dumey

I'm thinking probably this at the moment. Mzero's attitude regarding his lynch going through feels townish to me. Just the right amount of enthusiasm.

Marth and Dumey likely town based on night actions
So I think there's one scum in Sultan/Death and I think it's Sultan
I also think Sultan randomly jumping on Lopen was a distancing attempt

Death/sultan/ctes is possible, certainly.

Marth and Chris are both super suspect too so it might not be quite so clean as that.

Peace___Frog posted...

I'd believe you much more if you hadn't claimed to target me instead of Wallz or Dumey, who objectively looked townier than me n2, and one of whom gave far better night info to town than i could.

What can I say? I am too accurate in guessing where scums shots are going so far apparently.
And like I said before
A. I expected the doc to cover one of those two
B. Scum would never shoot Mzero since he is still a murder suspect.
C. You were claimed power with no info revealed yet and I worried scum would try to play around the protection.

Peace___Frog posted...

I don't mind killing Sultan today and having him point his gun at death, if we want to just kill them both (assuming Sultan is town). If they're both town though, we lose ourselves a day in the grand scheme of things.

But yeah Sultan is probably scum.

Actually I like this plan.
Though part of me still hopes that I can convince people I am the town BG of course.

MZero posted...

Marth and Dumey likely town based on night actions
So I think there's one scum in Sultan/Death and I think it's Sultan
I also think Sultan randomly jumping on Lopen was a distancing attempt

I should just take the inno scan and chill, huh

##Vote: Sultan

sign me up

dont worry death he can aim his gun at you but it wont fire

Peace___Frog posted...

I should just take the inno scan and chill, huh

look at it this way, there's (probably) one godfather and at least 10 townies, so by pure math he's like 90% town