Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia Topic 5 - Running on Batteries

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htaeD posted...

Interesting progression for Lopen here
Then he used his doubts about Sultan and my supposed slowness in reacting to that as a sign of me being scum and unvoted Sultan to vote me instead.
Maybe others can make more out of this, but It does make me a little concerned about Mzero.
Though moreso indirectly

I don't understand how this links to me

MZero posted...

you didn't catch him, Dumey did. You said "I have a weird feeling about Lopen but I'm not good at reading him". and now you're beating your chest like you knew all along

I did know the whole time did I not?

Guys kill mzero of kill me so I can kill mzero please

htaeD posted...

Same question to you
I will flip townBG
What does this fact change for you?

No offense but I haven't considered this a reality at all. But in some parallel universe that you're town, I don't think my worldview would change very much.

Which btw is that:
You're an outed wolf
I trust EDumey, Peaf, MZero, wallz completely
I still think Chris is town
My scum read on Ulti is lessening
Ctes highk falling off but still has towny notes
Still don't trust the Miller
Sultan is still scummy.
I'm missing someone but they can go into the poe if I forgot about them lol.

So. Poe is: you, sbell, ctes, Corrik, sultan, whoever I forgot

MZero posted...

Day 2

Sultan calls my claim "interesting" then calls out peaf for asking if it's multiple use. Thought you were reading me scum? lol

has a day shot and says "if i was a day vig"

doesn't seem like Sultan read the claim, considering death was the first person mentioned. Also suddenly my claim is easy to fake when he didn't say that at the start of day

so basically, all of Sultan's scum reads fall under OMGUS, gut, or agreeing with everyone else.

Random bouts of paranoia and town Sultan

I literally cannot name a more iconic duo

How Sultan handled his claim day 1 being coy to start is like, textbook how Sultan handles that sort of thing.

The suspicion on Sultan is just, all around, just born in either a misunderstanding of Sultan or maybe if we're feeling adventurous Sultan is catching onto wolf Mzero's evil plotting.

Mzero/Marth/Death ???

Would be pretty funny tbh

No one should point out the flaws in this team.

MZero posted...

I don't understand how this links to me

wow me
I meant to say Sultan

SirChris posted...

No one should point out the flaws in this team.

I have a big one

SirChris posted...

Random bouts of paranoia and town Sultan

I literally cannot name a more iconic duo

How Sultan handled his claim day 1 being coy to start is like, textbook how Sultan handles that sort of thing.

The suspicion on Sultan is just, all around, just born in either a misunderstanding of Sultan or maybe if we're feeling adventurous Sultan is catching onto wolf Mzero's evil plotting.

Mzero/Marth/Death ???

Would be pretty funny tbh

No one should point out the flaws in this team.

I'm going to anyways

I'm the town, and I doubt two wolves visit red the same night.

Keep going back and forth about Sultan because Lopen keeps jerking him around as well day1

Btw can we not turn wolf into the new word for scum?
I dont like change!

htaeD posted...

Btw can we not turn wolf into the new word for scum?
I dont like change!

Yeah my bad lol it's just the MU meta.

At least we didnt adopt sus

Okay so early jokey Lopen is hard to analyze. He offered up Corrik and Sultan as red sacrifices but neither sounded serious. He also voted Ulti with the same lackadaisical nature.
Now at this point scum did not know that red was a cop so they probably all werent planning all decided yet on whether to kill Red with their strongman or not. The fact still is that Lopen was eager about the power from the start. And the way Lopen spoke he probably saw through Reds claim on some level (he said he assumed red would get powers from his hammer). So I am wary of anyone being too eager to end the day early there regardless, that includes Sultan and Marth.

I will also note that Peaf and Mzero were against rushing the hammer on this page and questioned Lopens eagerness plenty. Though Mzero still called Lopen town in the end and defended him here and there.
Lopen then voted Mzero right after he said that, which was something I did ask him about. He eventually answered that he didnt like how Mzero (and Marth) called him townish despite not looking townish according to most. (he also suspected Edumey for the earlier mentioned stuff)
Of course Lopen kinda changed his mind on Mzero later, and overall I got a bit of a neutral read on Mzero overall.

Ctes also rightfully called out Lopen for being too opportunistic, then he mentioned Lopen again way later as someone who should have stood out more. Not much, but better than nothing.

Lopen called Corrik town for agreeing with him on Red maybe being 3rd party. Generally Corriks been useless here and too boring to get a read on.

Lopen also said Marth was the worst of the people voting me. Like I showed earlier he connected Marth to Sultan but then kept Marth as a suspect while letting go off Sultan as one. I suppose this does make Marth look more towny.. in small doses.

Thats about it for topic1 Lopen notes outside of what I already posted. There were some other things but people already brought up his ruleof3 posts from topic3.
And if I trusted the rule of three that would make Marth scum. And one of Corrik/Sbell as well. Fortunately for them I dont trust the rule of 3 that much.
And to be honest his anti miller stance against Sbell comes across as lazy and unenthusiastic. Though I dont know what that says about Sbell.

htaeD posted...

Ctes also rightfully called out Lopen for being too opportunistic, then he mentioned Lopen again way later as someone who should have stood out more. Not much, but better than nothing.

Ctes has been calling people out for being opportunistic when he himself put down 1 vote on d1 against the guy who got trained at the end of day, zero votes on day 2, and 1 vote day 3 against the guy who got trained at the start of the day. He is the definition of opportunistic and is projecting.

Hell, he called ME opportunistic day 2 when i did the same thing we're doing now and just considering the different angles and paths forward.

Sorry for getting on your nerves here corrik, but there are too many scummy people to say it's so simple moving forward.

How is an any of that opportunistic lol?

I argued against lots of trains day 1 and was like one of 2 or 3 people that had actually suspected BCT and didn't just shoot into the dark completely. Lopen was dead to rights by the time I woke up day 2. I just didn't rush it.

I was right about Lopen early. I'd say now I was probably wrong about you but yeah, that's the two instances, you're making it seem like something it wasn't.

Peaf I believe at one point you said you think theres possibly no doctor in this game. Do you still think this now that there was no successful night kill?

Crystal was lynched to give red a power up
I don't think there was any obvious opportunism there. Probably just a mixture of town who shruglynched him with the caveat of helping out red, and mafia who just took advantage of getting a mislynch in. Hard to tell which is which since red wanted that vote.

Wall you do realize what Peaf claimed to be, do you?

ctesjbuvf posted...

How is an any of that opportunistic lol?

I argued against lots of trains day 1 and was like one of 2 or 3 people that had actually suspected BCT and didn't just shoot into the dark completely. Lopen was dead to rights by the time I woke up day 2. I just didn't rush it.

I was right about Lopen early. I'd say now I was probably wrong about you but yeah, that's the two instances, you're making it seem like something it wasn't.

What is your current poe?

For what it's worth ctes, you're now in my POE but like probably the person I'd lynch last in it. I still feel like your game feels a bit uninfluenced but I just find others more towny. Perhaps you could reassure me that my tr on you is right with an updated worldview?

Death/Corrik/SBell is my yolo guess.

Wow now I'm thinking Ulti might be mafia again

Scummy by play but feels kinda threadspewed lol

But his push on Chris STINKS

I unironically think the only way that Chris is mafia is if Ulti is mafia pushing with tmi.

Death/Chris/Ulti

Chances of this are unlikely, but not zero.

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf I believe at one point you said you think theres possibly no doctor in this game. Do you still think this now that there was no successful night kill?

Yes, because i believe i am the reason there was no night kill.

Let me put it this way. Given red had to do something special to become a come and i am also only conditionally about to prevent a night kill, i think that if we had a standard doc then this would be a high protection game. If we do not have a doc then it would be a low protection game. The bg fake claim was admittedly a good one.

Marth i think you're too far into weird scenarios. Ulti's chris push is fine.

Not the direction for today, but not crazy either.

Peace___Frog posted...

Yes, because i believe i am the reason there was no night kill.

Let me put it this way. Given red had to do something special to become a come and i am also only conditionally about to prevent a night kill, i think that if we had a standard doc then this would be a high protection game. If we do not have a doc then it would be a low protection game. The bg fake claim was admittedly a good one.

Then why did 3 people visit red?

There has to be a protector in there somewhere?

Peace___Frog posted...

Marth i think you're too far into weird scenarios. Ulti's chris push is fine.

Not the direction for today, but not crazy either.

I'm not unvoting today, I'm just working out my solve.

Unless I'm mistaken, Ulti's push on Chris is entirely contingent on him not dying n1.

Okay new avenue question while I eat

I am town, what do you make of Chris pushing me over Lopen day2?

htaeD posted...

Okay new avenue question while I eat

I am town, what do you make of Chris pushing me over Lopen day2?

Towny lol
Bury one wolf while we chop another

Also that's complete bogus. While he did assess Lopen's claim, and played devil's advocate for him being town, he did say that his conclusion was that Lopen was still scum and didn't stop the momentum on him, or propel the momentum against you.

buckle up boys

T1-45
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

No I agree not much to gain for a scum Red to claim this.

I guess scum could always just shoot red or roleblock red anyways to avoid his power...

So kinda dumb for town to do too...

DotA T1-6

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I hate millers... like I think I way over think the claims out the gate but it makes sense. I was a Miller one of my first games didnt claim and got insta murdered so It makes sense but it is also a convenient claim for scum.. has Kirby been scum yet??

However I do think Kirby is a good player and probably wouldn't do that

commenting on a page 1 claim and basically saying they wouldn't do that as town but leaving the door open for them to be scum

T1-38
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

No I agree not much to gain for a scum Red to claim this.

I guess scum could always just shoot red or roleblock red anyways to avoid his power...

So kinda dumb for town to do too...

MZero posted...

Guys we have 48 hours there's no need to rush

BCT looks extremely scummy already so he's probably town

Vote: Sultan

Day scanned him scum

DotA T1-28
MZero posted...

I've been Miller in a Sultan game

##Vote: Sultan

Lynch all liars

not really relevant but funny so I'm including it!

Dota T1-72
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

htaeD posted
My first thought is that I dont like Sultans 1st post.
He was in Chris' role madness mafia. He should know what thats like. Calling it rough even with a simple game in between comes across as a forced statement

This is far more complicated than just a role maddess game; with Items and Shops also at play on top of Role maddess. Yeah I stand by my statement this is rough in comparison.

Exspshally with not having to think about all of this extra last game.

This seems like a weak stab Death. I am going to keep a close eye on you

omgus suspcion. Sound familiar?

T2-35
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Maybe beacuse it seemed outta character for Mzero to make this kind of a joke and I was like wait what am I the only one who sees this weird day cop claim. That was obviously a joke beacuse I wouldn't scan guilty.

DotA T1-75
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Fair enough.

1 thing that is majorly out of Character Corrik has not chimed in yet.

Even if it is to say hey let's no lynch or her what can end day 1 in like 5 hours or whatever corrikism he wants to use this day 1

"out of character"

last page
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

It's funny you don't know me by now MZero. That is another thing why I think you're scum. Like I'm pretty sure I've nailed these reads before and I'm pretty sure it was lopen I nailed like this in a different game as well

DotA T2-285
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Beacuse i haven't got that far yet lopen! You've played with me how many times and still don't understand me?

you think you'd know me by now

but wait, there's more!

Elden Ring T1-49
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also Ben's Vanilla claim out of the gates screams bad to me but Ben is a smarter player then to be scum who claims vanilla out the gate right?

basically the same reaction to red's claim and the miller claim in DotA

Let's lynch Death.

If he was town and Wallz and I messed up, then MZero would be the next one I'd want to push, so we could do the Sultan/MZero gambit at that time.

With the scum lynch and the no night kill, I think we have enough room to entertain this kind of idea.

I still generally think Sultan is town. His "reaction test" wasn't great, but I understand him liking me after that not because of the post where I said I didn't like the progression of posts, but then where I actually challenged him and pointed out where he accused Ulti of not reading while not responding to the actual accusations Ulti had made.
Then I didn't love Sultan seeming to give up when pressure went on him, but the attitude made a lot of sense when his claim came out, that he would be fine with getting lynched so he could shoot with his role. I don't read that situation as "Sultan claimed Vengeful to try and live an extra day" because then the "giving up when he gets pressure" part doesn't really match up that well. Maybe I am pretending I understand Sultan better than I actually do? But I just don't really see it, which is why I'm not on board the Sultan train right now.
One thing that I STILL am wary with Sultan at this time though, he originally said that Ulti was "missing something" regarding Sultan's behavior toward Red's Hammerer claim. I asked Sultan to clarify what that was, and I don't think I ever got an answer. I know Chris also quoted that post later as something good from Sultan, but I still don't know the answer. Since MZero is pushing on that right now, maybe we can have Sultan answer that for a final determination.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Thanks for doing the extra work to prove what I figured out on day one :p

Sultan/Chris/SBell LFG?

I'd also like it on the record that I called Sultan scum Day 1 in both of those games so the insinuation that I don't know scum Sultan is not appreciated!

EDumey posted...

Then I didn't love Sultan seeming to give up when pressure went on him, but the attitude made a lot of sense when his claim came out, that he would be fine with getting lynched so he could shoot with his role. I don't read that situation as "Sultan claimed Vengeful to try and live an extra day" because then the "giving up when he gets pressure" part doesn't really match up that well. Maybe I am pretending I understand Sultan better than I actually do? But I just don't really see it, which is why I'm not on board the Sultan train right now.

my read on it was he gave up and his team told him to claim vengeful or something instead

I also don't feel great about Chris. He spent most of day 2 defending how Lopen and Dumey could both be town mechanically before agreeing with me that Lopen's reaction was scummy. Didn't vote him though and instead instantly jumped on death's bodyguard claim. It felt like he didn't want Lopen dead yesterday

honestly Ulti that's not a bad 3-pack you got there

MZero posted...

I also don't feel great about Chris. He spent most of day 2 defending how Lopen and Dumey could both be town mechanically before agreeing with me that Lopen's reaction was scummy. Didn't vote him though and instead instantly jumped on death's bodyguard claim. It felt like he didn't want Lopen dead yesterday

Maybe don't end the day less than half way through and I might have time for more than 2 thoughts.

Plus it was fun discussing mechanic interactions tbh

dare i say scummoned

also don't blame me I was asleep!

Anyway unfortunately for you mzero you don't really appear to know what is and what isn't alignment indicative for sultan so if I am alive tomorrow I will town case sultan more seriously.

I do feel like Mzero is the one player who should be calling me scum since he is the 1st name on the watchlist.

Also we need a new tiki

5-Volt Votals
[5] Death - Dumey, (Chris), Sbell, (Marth), Corrik, Ctes, Marth, (Ulti)
[1] MZero - Sultan
[1] SBell - Ulti
[1] Sultan - MZero

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends at 7PM EST Sunday, in ~29 hours.

SirChris posted...

Anyway unfortunately for you mzero you don't really appear to know what is and what isn't alignment indicative for sultan so if I am alive tomorrow I will town case sultan more seriously.

literally just explained that I have nailed him day 1 as scum twice but ok

htaeD posted...

I do feel like Mzero is the one player who should be calling me scum since he is the 1st name on the watchlist.

Lopen abandoning the Sultan train to randomly start pushing you makes no sense if you are scum

Hey, look, I'm actually doing my job.

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