Poll of the Day > Do you personally dislike "pro life" people?

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Yeah I put pro life in quotation marks. You've heard the term pro birth , not pro life, haven't you?

I dislike people who talk about politiical issues and try to score semantic points because they think it somehow proves their point.

No... if I disliked everyone who was wrong I wouldn't be a very happy person

My dislike is more aimed at the inherent deceitfulness of the term.

GranTurismo posted...

You've heard the term pro birth , not pro life, haven't you?

Exactly, and I put a lot of worth on "Value/Quality of Life".

On an individual basis, it depends on if the person is an unreasonable sexist douche canoe or not. There are reasonable people, but a lot of pro birthers seem to be horribly rigid, sexist, archaic, and uncompassionate.

Its their choice to be pro life right? Being pro choice I cant get mad at someone for making a choice for themselves. I do get frustrated at the limiting of said choices via legislation however.

Ive heard of pro birth, but not very often. I probably saw it on Reddit or something before I stopped going on it.

Shananagainz posted...

Its their choice to be pro life right?

Are beliefs choices or something deeper than that?

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Are beliefs choices or something deeper than that?

I dunno. Guess it depends on the person.

I don't like them

That depends.

usually the type of person that is a pro lifer is usually some douche looking to push thier more often than not religious views as well.
this is not true of all pro lifers but it takes a certain type of person who is usually associated with and gung ho about the movement.

but since we are taking about generalizations not a specific person then it would be yes with exceptions

generalizing entire groups of people has never really worked out well throughout the entirety of humans

I think that if you isolate it to just being pro life, I know that these people are misguided but mean well. Problem is that the vast majority of pro life people have problematic beliefs that often contradict their pro life status

I'm pro choice but I know plenty of great people that are pro life so I won't judge even if they are wrong

Dislike? Nah. I believe it's okay to be wrong.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

On an individual basis, it depends on if the person is an unreasonable sexist douche canoe or not. There are reasonable people, but a lot of pro birthers seem to be horribly rigid, sexist, archaic, and uncompassionate.

This sounds about right. If they're a decent person in spite of their beliefs, I can separate my dislike of their beliefs and not dislike them personally. By and large, though, decent people are opposed to reproductive slavery, so there isn't too much overlap between the two groups outside of the occasional example of legitimate ignorance (which pretty quickly loses its legitimacy if they start discussing the matter and are presented with the truth of their beliefs). The consequence is that I tend to dislike pro-lifers, but for more reason than just their pro-life views.

potdnewb posted...

generalizing entire groups of people has never really worked out well throughout the entirety of humans

You just generalized an entire group of people by saying that.

I personally don't care.

adjl posted...

You just generalized an entire group of people by saying that.

interesting logic leap there

potdnewb posted...

interesting logic leap there

"People who generalize entire groups of people" is itself an entire group of people.

adjl posted...

"People who generalize entire groups of people" is itself an entire group of people.

so you also create statements not said....

I do not tolerate them

potdnewb posted...

so you also create statements not said....

Who else is doing the generalizing, if not people?

No they give me laughs.

Sometimes I LARP as a Pro lifer to mess with normies.

Prochoice is the reasonable stance lol

If someone is pro life, they either

1. have put thought into it and still arrived at their pro life stance, which is despicable

or

2. make the decision they're pro life despite having put little to no thought into such an important topic, which is despicable

As someone who was pro-life for the first 20 years of my life, yes, I cannot stand them and will try not to associate with them. For the most hardcore ones their sense of morality is broken and it makes them unbearable people in other completely unrelated aspects of their lives.

They'll be as petty and nasty as they can be if they don't deem it a sin, if that makes any sense. Bad = sin, everything else is fine. If you know, then you know.

Clench281 posted...

If someone is pro life, they either

1. have put thought into it and still arrived at their pro life stance, which is despicable

or

2. make the decision they're pro life despite having put little to no thought into such an important topic, which is despicable

Ye, good post, good pt. I agree

If you think a twelve year old girl who was raped by her father should be forced to carry the baby to term (and possibly die in childbirth) then you are a piece of shit

Zareth posted...

If you think a twelve year old girl who was raped by her father should be forced to carry the baby to term (and possibly die in childbirth) then you are a piece of shit

yeah, i'm not sure how it's "just an opinion" when it has very real world, life threatening consequences for over 100 million people in the US alone. if you're "pro-life" i think you are morally bankrupt and i wouldn't want to associate with you.

I'm sure I can have perfectly normal conversations with them until it comes up, and then, yes, I will end up disliking them to some degree. I'm sorry, but I've hashed it out with a few friends over this. When it literally goes down the route where a guy you thought you knew tells you that he'd be fine with his 10 year old neice bearing a child from a rapist, you might find that you'll dislike them. I forced them to repeat themselves. If you're willing to stand by that perspective, I don't like you.

On the other hand, I've had great conversations with women who are personally against abortion for themselves, but would never put that belief on others. That's respectable.

potdnewb posted...

generalizing entire groups of people has never really worked out well throughout the entirety of humans

Do you generalize rapists and murderers?

it's fine to be pro-life as long as it's actually pro-life and not anti-womans rights.

if you only care about stopping abortions in the name of pro-life, then you aren't pro-life, you're just an asshole and you need to stop being such a triggered little snowflake over what someone else does with their body.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Do you generalize rapists and murderers?

there is no need to generalize about individuals

Clench281 posted...

2. make the decision they're pro life despite having put little to no thought into such an important topic, which is despicable

I'm willing to give people a little leeway on that one, simply because it's not as simple a topic as it seems at face value, especially for somebody considering it from a position where they'll never have to face any of the downsides themselves (read: dudes), and that can lead to failing to realize how important it is to consider it properly. It's only once they start to resist learning about why they're wrong and need to reconsider their stance that they graduate into being terrible.

potdnewb posted...

there is no need to generalize about individuals

Sure there is. Generalizations form the vast majority of our interactions with the world around us, people included. The trick is not to avoid generalizing at all, but rather to learn when it is and is not appropriate to generalize and be able to recognize when an assumption you've made has turned out to be mistaken.

potdnewb posted...

generalizing entire groups of people has never really worked out well throughout the entirety of humans

I don't really get why this is the new thing you people are trying. I can stand here and confidently generalize the people who tend to call them selves "pro-life" are the sort of people who call the child they forced to be born a moocher as soon as it is born.

Prove me wrong without using an isolated exception.

BlackScythe0 posted...

you people

what people im i

BlackScythe0 posted...

I can stand here and confidently generalize the people who tend to call them selves "pro-life" are the sort of people who call the child they forced to be born a moocher as soon as it is born.

based on what evidence

potdnewb posted...

there is no need to generalize about individuals

there's a difference between generalizing individuals or groups and understanding a shared negative denominator among a group that you can't generalize, because much of the rest of the group's attributes are nebulous and unshared.

it's akin to me disliking people who physically abuse others. Am I really generalizing a population here?

I personally dislike people who are unncessarily rude.

WHOA WHAT A HATER!!!

ReturnOfFa posted...

I personally dislike people who are unncessarily rude.

WHOA WHAT A HATER!!!

I don't dislike anyone, so I get called a tolerance bigot for not being intolerant :o

Lokarin posted...

I don't dislike anyone, so I get called a tolerance bigot for not being intolerant :o

that harassment must be extremely difficult! imagine the mob!

ReturnOfFa posted...

On the other hand, I've had great conversations with women who are personally against abortion for themselves, but would never put that belief on others. That's respectable.

That's not pro-life though.

I'm okay with people having a different opinion then me on the issue.

I'm not okay with people who go around trying to force their political beliefs onto others and being asses to everyone with different views then their own.

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cba9yh_Jv6g

i dislike extremists of anything.

TigerTycoon posted...

I'm okay with people having a different opinion then me on the issue.

I'm not okay with people who go around trying to force their political beliefs onto others

you could have just said "I'm pro choice"

I actually support restricting abortion to extreme cases, like rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother's life. My problem with extremely pro-life people is their hypocrisy if they just want children to be born but oppose anything to make their life better, like reducing pollution or gun violence. You can't be truly pro-life just by supporting birth.

GGuirao13 posted...

I actually support restricting abortion to extreme cases, like rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother's life. My problem with extremely pro-life people is their hypocrisy if they just want children to be born but oppose anything to make their life better, like reducing pollution or gun violence. You can't be truly pro-life just by supporting birth.

Then you're not pro-choice.

I generally dislike everyone, especially people with opinions.

Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0qWV4EnO-g

GGuirao13 posted...

I actually support restricting abortion to extreme cases, like rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother's life.

The maternal mortality rate in the US is almost triple the national murder rate (~17 per 100k vs ~6.5 per 100k). It's up to three times higher than that if the mother isn't white. With the US health care system as it stands, being pregnant at all is endangerment of the mother's life, let alone the question of serious injury.

On top of that, any time you try to restrict abortion by placing criteria on it like that, no matter how good your intentions are, those restrictions will be abused by more gung-ho pro-lifers to deny abortions whenever they can. Ban it after a certain gestational age? You get a bunch of red tape women have to wade through that often takes so long that they end up passing that deadline unless they started the day they got pregnant. Only allow it for rape? If you require an actual rape conviction to qualify, then there's a good chance the baby will be born before the court case is done. Incest? Whoops, that paternity test took too long and now you're past the age limit. Endangerment? We'll just set the threshold of life-threatening risk really high and require doctors to demonstrate that they did everything we believe is possible (which often doesn't reflect what's actually possible, such as that one politician that suggested aborting an ectopic pregnancy should only be legal if doctors tried to transfer it to the uterus first) before allowing it.

I agree with the basic principle of trying to cut down on the number of abortions (virtually everyone does, as much as many pro-lifers would try to paint women as deliberately getting pregnant every week so they can get another drive-through abortion), but restricting access to abortion isn't the way to do that. There's just too much potential for abuse, with disastrous consequences for the mothers. Instead, the focus needs to be on reducing the number of abortions by reducing the amount of unwanted pregnancies that happen in the first place. Comprehensive sex ed curricula and birth control subsidies have both been proven to dramatically cut down on the number of accidental pregnancies (one pilot in Colorado for subsidizing IUDs reduced the rate by 40%, which is massive), and improving prenatal care and other supports for new mothers make pregnancy and parenthood safer and less daunting such that fewer women who do accidentally get pregnant end up wanting or needing an abortion. That approach not only does a better job of respecting women's bodily autonomy (the core moral principle of the pro-choice position), it also tends to yield better results in terms of reducing overall abortion rates, cuts down on dangerous DIY approaches, and means you don't have to waste everyone's time, money, and emotional well-being conducting a criminal investigation of every miscarriage, all of which are objective benefits that everyone should be able to agree upon.

GGuirao13 posted...

I actually support restricting abortion to extreme cases, like rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother's life. My problem with extremely pro-life people is their hypocrisy if they just want children to be born but oppose anything to make their life better, like reducing pollution or gun violence. You can't be truly pro-life just by supporting birth.

oh, you're a very religious guy? See you post on this site many times before

Zareth posted...

That's not pro-life though.

Ok? I know that?