Poll of the Day > Do you personally dislike "pro life" people?

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Not generally no. Political beliefs are only a factor if too much of their life and who they are is based in political crap, but that is regardless of which side they are on for anything.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I dislike people who talk about politiical issues and try to score semantic points because they think it somehow proves their point.

This, tbh.

Shananagainz posted...

Its their choice to be pro life right? Being pro choice I cant get mad at someone for making a choice for themselves. I do get frustrated at the limiting of said choices via legislation however.

Ive heard of pro birth, but not very often. I probably saw it on Reddit or something before I stopped going on it.

But do the children who get aborted make the choice to die or is that choice made for that? That's basically the underlying issue. Either way, a choice is being made for somebody else.

And it's weird that you're trying to say stuff like "pro-birth" which is a completely meaningless attempt to reframe the term while not saying "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-choice." And, if you wanted to stick to practical terms, it'd be "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion"

adjl posted...

You just generalized an entire group of people by saying that.

I'm not sure he actually did, but continue your silly pigeonholing and reductionism.

Count_Drachma posted...

But do the children who get aborted make the choice to die or is that choice made for that? That's basically the underlying issue. Either way, a choice is being made for somebody else.

Tbf, they didnt make the choice to be there, either So, we start by making that choice, as well And we have to make many choices for them until they are old enough to make choices So, Im not even sure that should be an issue, tbh

Count_Drachma posted...

But do the children who get aborted make the choice to die or is that choice made for that?

there is no children getting aborted, only goo. there is no sentience in it.

or do you also ask each individual blade of grass if they want to be cut or not when you mow the lawn

This is one of the worst posts I've seen Zeus make. Genuinely.

Count_Drachma posted...

But do the children who get aborted make the choice to die or is that choice made for that? That's basically the underlying issue. Either way, a choice is being made for somebody else.

With the key difference that we typically prefer to let sentient individuals make choices for themselves whenever possible, while routinely making choices (including life and death decisions) that affect sub-sentient individuals (including actual infants and toddlers, long past the point where anyone would consider abortion justifiable).

Count_Drachma posted...

And it's weird that you're trying to say stuff like "pro-birth" which is a completely meaningless attempt to reframe the term

It's pretty accurate. Pro-lifers pretty routinely stop caring about the child the moment it's born; their priority is birth above anything else.

Count_Drachma posted...

while not saying "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-choice."

But pro-choice isn't pro-abortion. Hardly anyone is pro-abortion in a general sense. Pro-choice is pro-access to abortion, preserving the freedom for each individual pregnant person to choose for themselves whether they want to go through with that pregnancy. Nobody's trying to increase the number of abortions that happen, only to reduce the number of people forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. All else being equal, that can be expected to result in an increase in the number of abortions that happen, but that's where advocating for measures that actually help to reduce the rate of unwanted pregnancies come in to, in turn, reduce the number of abortions.

Count_Drachma posted...

I'm not sure he actually did, but continue your silly pigeonholing and reductionism.

As I've said, "people who generalize entire groups of people" is itself a group of people about which he made a generalization. I'm not about to pretend that isn't a bit of facetious pedantry, but it's still quite correct.

BlackScythe0 posted...

This is one of the worst posts I've seen Zeus make. Genuinely.

I've seen him make pretty much the same post in previous discussions on abortion. Also included was "abortion isn't justified following rape because that just creates an extra victim" (paraphrased), which was just all kinds of holy heckbuckets.

Count_Drachma posted...

But do the children who get aborted make the choice to die or is that choice made for that? That's basically the underlying issue. Either way, a choice is being made for somebody else.

No because it is literally impossible to abort a child.

oh, that user is also the user zeus? he's an extremely religious, anti abortion guy? idk

GranTurismo posted...

oh, that user is also the user zeus? he's an extremely religious, anti abortion guy? idk

Zeus is most famous for having all his many many accounts near getting purged for his repeated defense of neo-nazis.

I don't care about anyone's beliefs. If they want to be 'pro-life' thats entirely up to them. What I do care about is people using the law to push their beliefs on others and force them to do things. Especially when it in no way affects the person. does it affect you if someone else gets an abortion? No. So if you try and use the law to stop people, we're not going to be friends.