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Kenri 04/16/23 6:06:14 PM #201: |
I liked the wandering around but I do agree with your spoiler, that was definitely the weakest part of the ending in my mind. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/16/23 6:43:56 PM #202: |
Man these alternate endings are kinda fucked --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 04/16/23 6:49:51 PM #203: |
Knowing the ending adds a lot to how you view I thought it was a bit funny you SUDDENLY decided to go do the ending after that reason had more or less passed --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 04/16/23 9:52:44 PM #204: |
KamikazePotato posted... Outer Wilds' focus on knowledge as a reward, rather than intrinsic abilities, is approximately one thousand times more satisfying. I find it interesting that Super Metroid did have a minor element of this, but as far as I can tell they never really did that again? In terms of mechanics, I found it cool how they present you with what feels like an adequate but limited kit, and then they manage to explore that kit in ways you wouldn't have expected. It really enhanced the feeling of discovery-- that even the tools you have, that you thought you fully understood, have aspects to them that you're not aware of. The story is something that will stick with me for a long time, and it's a shining example of a narrative that could not be replicated in any other medium. Which also makes it surprisingly hard to recommend to friends! The ones who would find the story interesting don't have the 3D gaming ability required, while the people who do have the requisite skill are either too impatient or have a huge backlog of games and will never actually get to it. --- Ginhyun http://i.imgur.com/t7G7uoU.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VintageGin 04/16/23 10:04:51 PM #205: |
In terms of games that are somewhat similar, definitely agree with what Para said. Tunic and The Witness scratched a similar itch, even though both evoke very different feelings. I know these aren't what you're looking for, but The Return of the Obra Dinn and The Curse of the Golden Idol occupy a similar space in my mind. Less exploration, but definitely a focus on uncovering and understanding the plot as a means of progression. --- Ginhyun http://i.imgur.com/t7G7uoU.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/17/23 2:41:13 PM #206: |
Current status: sad because there's no more Outer Wilds to play. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hombad46 04/17/23 2:46:03 PM #207: |
And now you join the rest of us in looking for other people to watch play it for the first time to try and get that feeling again vicariously --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/17/23 2:46:47 PM #208: |
Already am lol --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swirIdude 04/17/23 3:04:48 PM #209: |
I was going to play Outer Wilds but I can't handle horror games, so not anymore. Thanks for the warning though. --- Azuarc is my favorite arc of the Game of the Decade 2020 anime. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/17/23 3:07:33 PM #210: |
You should be fine for the base game. DLC, probably not. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_Rocks 04/17/23 3:26:42 PM #211: |
KamikazePotato posted... Already am lol I've never pursued more streams of a game than this one, yeah --- Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_Rocks 04/17/23 3:28:20 PM #212: |
swirIdude posted... I was going to play Outer Wilds but I can't handle horror games, so not anymore. Thanks for the warning though. Play it anyway. There's really only one one area in the base game that's even remotely scary --- Not to be confused with XIII_Minerals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 04/17/23 3:48:39 PM #213: |
It's a very very different kind of game but Vision Soft Reset is another time loop Metroidvania. Basically, everytime you save it creates a separate timeline and a quick travel point, and you have to jump back and forth through different timelines to figure out a way to save the planet. All major upgrades are considered knowledge (mechanically they're still unlocks though), so they stay with you, but health upgrades are physical items so you'll only have them in timelines where you collected them. It doesn't have the emotional pull of Outer Wilds, though, or nearly as cool of a setting. It's much closer to Super Metroid in those areas. Fun game though. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 04/17/23 4:14:40 PM #214: |
Just some games I can vouch for that I don't believe have been mentioned that could evoke some feelings you may have felt with Outer Wilds: - FEZ - The Forgotten City - MYST - Treasures of the Aegean - The Void --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/17/23 4:17:28 PM #215: |
I'll keep all those in mind, thanks everyone. agesboy posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbY0mBXKKT0 Incredibly impressive documentary. The devs were really firing on all cylinders. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PumpkinCoach 04/17/23 10:06:13 PM #216: |
The gameplay is very different, but for a similar sense of archeological discovery there's Heaven's Vault. It's got the open-ended exploration and the piecing together of degraded information, but it's less Eureka and more satisfied Ah of pattern recognition. It doesn't strike the same tone or have as expansive a world, but for a metroidvania that trades on information I recommend the Swapper. You have the tools to solve every puzzle from the start even if you don't realize it, and later puzzles nudge you to rethink how your abilities fundamentally work. --- https://i.imgur.com/CQr5Xab.gif this is a world... where azuarc eats gurus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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agesboy 04/17/23 10:24:55 PM #217: |
KamikazePotato posted... Incredibly impressive documentary. The devs were really firing on all cylinders.rewatched it myself when i posted it and damn. the amount of effort and creativity that went into this that they just handwaved away as "we could have fudged it but we didn't because it was neat" was astounding minor fun fact, --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Epyo 04/17/23 11:31:56 PM #218: |
I slightttttly prefer The Witness over Outer Wilds, mostly just because The Witness is more replayable. They're basically neck and neck in my top 10 though. Outer Wilds certainly has a better story...but, The Witness does get me thinking introspectively in other ways. ~~~ Separately, I've had a question about Outer Wilds for a while, and I've been forgetting to ask people. Is the If so, I kinda disagree with that design choice. I feel like that's a pretty big chunk of the game that you could "miss". I mean, I get it: the point of the game is that you explore it because you WANT to, not because the game requires you to. ...But that's not entirely true--I mean, it DOES have an ending, and that ending DOES require you to go to a lot of specific places. I need Mark Brown to make one of those key/door metroidvania diagrams for Outer Wilds. --- People who don't finish their sentences I'm a Castlevania superfan! Ask me anything! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hombad46 04/17/23 11:39:20 PM #219: |
Yes it's optional, but I doubt many people beat the game without going there. If someone is enjoying Outer Wilds enough to reach --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_rowan 04/18/23 12:04:34 AM #220: |
There are surprisingly many purely optional things in Outer Wilds that basically offer zero useful clues towards the endgame puzzles and instead just flesh out the story or give you ideas around the general goal of the game. At the most, they might just tell you to check another spot for information, but you could easily run into that other spot first. (i.e. "Nomai X wrote about how to do so-and-so in this location" but you could just find a sign for that location on another planet and follow the path on your own. Consider that you only need to learn a few things to finish the game: So yeah, there are a surprising amount of things you can just outright miss in a playthrough. Especially if you end up solving certain puzzles accidentally or with more "brute force" methods, which is more possible with some of these than others. That said, absolutely no one who has played this game to the end without looking up all the solutions or otherwise ruining it for themselves has ever felt like they didn't want to fill in the logbook and explore everything, from what I've seen. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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agesboy 04/18/23 1:23:39 AM #221: |
If you want a crash course on what's actually required in Outer Wilds, check out a speedrun. They don't do shit except if they have to. In fact I think there's a narrated dev speedrun out there because we love them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIK2uceHow8 --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_rowan 04/18/23 1:27:38 AM #222: |
Speed runs aren't really the same because they know all the information initally. I'm talking about ways that a player can go into the game blind and find all the information they need to solve all the puzzles and located all the locations required to get the end of the game. There are a lot of areas and pieces of information in the game that don't actually lead towards the end of the game at all, so they could be considered optional, even if we consider it mandatory to learn the solution to a puzzle before enacting that solution. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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guffguy89 04/18/23 1:32:17 AM #223: |
you can literally finish the game in 3 seconds --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 04/18/23 1:38:20 AM #224: |
The speedrun is actually way crazier than that dev-commentated one now lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BcjM4ebKLg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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agesboy 04/18/23 1:42:08 AM #225: |
the_rowan posted... Speed runs aren't really the same because they know all the information initally.yeah, i agree, speedruns are a whole different category, whoops if i conflated them. its just both are pretty interesting. i think speedruns are an interesting way at looking at any universe especially in a physics-based game like this --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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agesboy 04/18/23 1:48:03 AM #226: |
Paratroopa1 posted... The speedrun is actually way crazier than that dev-commentated one now lolFUCK ANGLERFISH THO AAA --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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guffguy89 04/18/23 1:51:34 AM #227: |
Wait, he got into the ship without getting the launch codes, could he have launched the ship itself if he wanted to? --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_rowan 04/18/23 1:53:11 AM #228: |
Huh, not sure how they're able to sleep without two deaths first. The improved ship movement by angling to use multiple sets of thrusters to push the ship in the correct direction is smart, though. (Is there a reason they can't use all three sets? Too hard to aim the ship?) I love reading about how the geyser at the start only works exactly 31 seconds from loading the universe, because otherwise the gravity from the other planets in the solar system affects your trajectory enough to make the fall lethal. (It's literally such a miniscule difference from fatal that you have to land on the very, very slightly higher outer edge of the launch pad or you die even with the correct gravity.) Wait, he got into the ship without getting the launch codes, could he have launched the ship itself if he wanted to? Nothing in the universe that is time-based "turns on" until you get the cutscene as you're leaving the observatory after getting the codes. (Which actually plays while standing next to the ship in this speedrun, but it still plays.) It still runs the physics simulation, but there's one thing in the run that can't be done until a certain time. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 04/18/23 2:00:10 AM #229: |
the_rowan posted... Huh, not sure how they're able to sleep without two deaths first.I don't think you need to take two deaths to sleep anymore. I've never noticed that restriction, anyway. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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guffguy89 04/18/23 2:00:23 AM #230: |
so he wouldn't have been able to fly the ship, correct? --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_rowan 04/18/23 2:04:42 AM #231: |
guffguy89 posted... so he wouldn't have been able to fly the ship, correct? Pretty sure he could fly the ship, and the ship isn't even required anyway, just a little bit faster than going shipless. (The spacesuit inside the ship is still required, of course.) But he couldn't beat the game because the very next thing he does isn't possible until a certain amount of time has passed. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 04/18/23 10:37:52 AM #232: |
HanOfTheNekos posted... I always compare it to Zelda, because the designers took a lot of influence from Zelda. It's like, instead of gathering items to get more, you're gathering knowledge.Zelda since LTTP is also Metroid-like --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 04/18/23 10:43:09 AM #233: |
KamikazePotato posted... Legitimate question: is there any game that replicates the Eureka moments of Outer Wilds while still having an actual world attached to it? I know people swear by Baba Is You for puzzle solving but that's not remotely the same experience.A Monster's Expedition. It's another sokoban puzzler but with huge emphasis on a seamless world. It's a spiritual sequel to A Good Snowman Is Hard To Build which is much smaller scope but incredibly good too. I do still highly recommend Baba because while the world it builds is abstract, it is charming and you do fall in love with it. The harder the puzzles get, the more rewarding it becomes. You definitely get the ennui feeling when you're done with it. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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