Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 12: There are Four Lights!

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If you are town, and Ctes is town, and Sultan is scum, then its actually you who we need to unvote right now.

So yes if you unvote then we can kill Lea or Dumey tomorrow

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Yawn, sure am tired. Been a long day

PunishedBen posted...

If you are town, and Ctes is town, and Sultan is scum, then its actually you who we need to unvote right now.

So yes if you unvote then we can kill Lea or Dumey tomorrow

Oh, is that it? Is that the deal?

There we go. Lets do it! Operation BETRAYAL

Cool.

Cool cool cool

You know, day 1 being voted by Chris for dumb reasons and by Chris of everybody... that was no fun.
You replacing in and just taking Chris's spear for him without pause... unfun.

This last 15 minutes has been fun. So thank you for that.

I can also see now that timestamps do not line up very well.

Why does Red check these every game?

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JC Says undefined posted...

Han this probably isnt helpful but I actually did timestamp Ben while we were waiting for him and he hadnt been online since a few minutes before my claim.

But also the timestamp was 3 minutes before his last post so uh I think thats just yet another reason to completely discount time stamps

HAN REPLIES

I didn't mean his actual profile, just the stamps of his posts. That is in-game information, and why I'm okay with talking about it.

A Scumben could be fed info on Scumboard. It's a possibility. But I also am okay discounting the time portion here, I just brought it up because it was where I was reading at the time.

HAN

I didn't mean his actual profile, just the stamps of his posts. That is in-game information, and why I'm okay with talking about it.

A Scumben could be fed info on Scumboard. It's a possibility. But I also am okay discounting the time portion here, I just brought it up because it was where I was reading at the time.

So not only is Han not okay with talking about timestamps in the last game because its "outside the game information", but he also is aware they are unreliable.

That is all. I'm still okay working with you, Han. Goodnight.

Is Sultan voting for me because he feels I've been anti-town and then leaves at possible LyLo? Is that not anti-town in itself?

And it's weird to vote me here stating I've been anti-town but not scum?

Sultan, do you honestly not see the value in not putting things on the table immediately? Did you follow last game? Do you think the optimal way to play a Jack role is just informing scum of everything right away? I claimed the kill pretty quickly, would have been even quicker if Sheep didn't disappear right after I asked him a question. But honestly, if I didn't have other powers I don't think I claim the shot that early. You've said a few times town were on a wild goose chase about the bus drive but it isn't really true, it's not what happened. For a while it was speculated upon but also agreed it likely did not tell us anything about BCT anyway.

It's also flat out wrong I did any "conspiracy" about Death. Sheep and Ulti had both taken a stance I knew was wrong, so I asked them that if they imagined that scum did not shoot Death, how they would read each other. Then a good many hours later Sheep finally answered and I said it was me.

I think it's beyond ridiculous to think it's anti-town to not give all your information away. But even if you disagree how to play a role, you still need to see the scum equity in doing the actions and I don't see that being considered.

It was the same thing I was after Wall for yesterday, it felt like he wasn't considering some pretty major assumptions that were a premise of the case he was building. I'm not sure if he actually ever did do that though the conversation helped me get a better read of him.

##unvote

fine.

Ben is flailing Han is flailing.

Ctes I can argue to have one more shot I suppose.

And I don't nessisarily agree with you in the Busdriver thing or when you didn't use the roleblock you didn't just say so.

But fine.ill just sit back and let others votes happen and evaluate from there beacuse for some reason I'm the only one trying to get pulled in every direction.

What pisses me off im the only one actually trying to apply pressure and place votes down for reactions. Everyone is in such a panic they just stop actually playing and just freaking out every step of the way.

Ben's reaction feels forced. Han seems to be atleast using his votes to evaluate things and situations. Ben was freaking out at every little thing to @me 3 times when I was sleeping when it litterally takes 4 to Lynch someone my vote alone isn't going to do anything. If there is 3 left scum they would have piled on to win right?

So I'm thinking it's not 3 left but I could be wrong.

Going all the way back To Chris v Han

Chris wasn't nessisarily going full force after Han but I dont think he makes a Bus look this obvious

Another small hang up is people saying my read in BCT is wrong Han being one of them he has made a complete 180 if his read since Ben has replaced in.

Ben hasn't dont the usual stuff he does as scum but maybe he has grown as scum a bit and knows what gets him caught. BCT getting coached could really be a big thing to consider as well

Did you not think it was risky?

So either
- Sultan is scum
- There are just two scum
- Scum are afraid of anti-hammer powers

It can be more than 1 as well, but at least 1 must be true.

Oh thank goodness
ctesjbuvf posted...

Did you not think it was risky?

So either
- Sultan is scum
- There are just two scum
- Scum are afraid of anti-hammer powers

It can be more than 1 as well, but at least 1 must be true.

No. All scum could have just not been online at same time

ctesjbuvf posted...

Did you not think it was risky?

So either
- Sultan is scum
- There are just two scum
- Scum are afraid of anti-hammer powers

It can be more than 1 as well, but at least 1 must be true.

How is it risky if you're scum?

It's not risky to actually play the game. O don't like these responses to votes and reads playing scared is not going to win the game

Well, if you're town you can't know my alignment for sure now can you.

A good bunch of games have ended with a scum hammer since I came back here, including both you hosted even! I also won as scum a few games back when you and someone else voted Ben and we hammered him.

I get applying pressure and all but don't act like you don't understand the risk you're running.

PunishedBen posted...

No. All scum could have just not been online at same time

I guess but it was such a long period.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Well, if you're town you can't know my alignment for sure now can you.

A good bunch of games have ended with a scum hammer since I came back here, including both you hosted even! I also won as scum a few games back when you and someone else voted Ben and we hammered him.

I get applying pressure and all but don't act like you don't understand the risk you're running.

I do but 1 vote is not alot and in the grand skeem of things I think of there was 3 scum they would have hammered unless you're one of the 3 soo if nothing else it provided alot of information did it not?

I think everyone being that worried over 1 vote is a bit excessive it also let me get a better read in Ben and Han so! If that is a big issue then idk what to tell you.

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I played the game and they threw a hissy fit basically.

But I think this makes Ben look worse than Han and that is where I'm at

You can't just say the worries were not justified because nothing happened.

I mean if it gave you info you needed then nice, but the reactions were to me very very reasonable given our recent game history.

I thought Ben looked better than Han. Ben seemed legitimately worried game ended. Could be faked, didn't look like it. Han seemed a lot more comfortable.

I get it. Maybe not the greatest move but it worked out

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I never said I agree I said I get it but i don't nessisarily agree.

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Question for you why are you sitting back and doing nothing?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

What pisses me off im the only one actually trying to apply pressure and place votes down for reactions. Everyone is in such a panic they just stop actually playing and just freaking out every step of the way.

Ben's reaction feels forced. Han seems to be atleast using his votes to evaluate things and situations. Ben was freaking out at every little thing to @me 3 times when I was sleeping when it litterally takes 4 to Lynch someone my vote alone isn't going to do anything. If there is 3 left scum they would have piled on to win right?

So I'm thinking it's not 3 left but I could be wrong.

That's exactly why I was freaking out. If ctes is town and you are town that could lose the game while you are asleep.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I guess but it was such a long period.

Dumey hadn't been online since before Sultan voting and me making that post at 7am this morning. I looked

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I do but 1 vote is not alot and in the grand skeem of things I think of there was 3 scum they would have hammered unless you're one of the 3 soo if nothing else it provided alot of information did it not?

I think everyone being that worried over 1 vote is a bit excessive it also let me get a better read in Ben and Han so! If that is a big issue then idk what to tell you.

Dumey was not online during the entire period

Not saying he's scum, but..... the possibility is there. We have not proven 2 scum left or that Sultan is scum or anything on that list

We all saw Han pretty desperate to vote Ctes before bed for no reason

PunishedBen posted...

Not saying he's scum, but..... the possibility is there. We have not proven 2 scum left or that Sultan is scum or anything on that list

We all saw Han pretty desperate to vote Ctes before bed for no reason

Note Sultan - the use of strong language such as this to misconstrue my actions last night to make me seem Scummy when I wasn't.

By the way, if you think I'm Scum, you have to think I'm Scum with Ben. Since it's the same argument as with Chris, jsyk

I think it's pretty self explanatory why I freaked out since I've only been preaching since yesterday that I think it's a team of Han/Lea/Dumey
:P

The vote wasnt even on me.... so hopefully you can see that I was very scared both Ctes and Sultan are town and that vote could have ended the game had all scum came online to time their hammer.

If ctes is a scum buddy of mine I don't freak out like that over one vote on him

PunishedBen posted...

If ctes is a scum buddy of mine I don't freak out like that over one vote on him

It is if you see me vote him and you know Dumey and Lea are Neighbors and at least Dumey is willing to vote Ctes.

Really, if anything, you should be begging Lea not to vote there.

Oh, and btw, Lea and Dumey aren't Scum together - if Dumey isn't really a Neighborizer, then him dying implicates Lea immediately.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Note Sultan - the use of strong language such as this to misconstrue my actions last night to make me seem Scummy when I wasn't.

By the way, if you think I'm Scum, you have to think I'm Scum with Ben. Since it's the same argument as with Chris, jsyk

Well your vote sure came off of Lea fast to get back onto Ctes for reasons I've yet to hear an explanation for. You sure made deals with "your biggest and only Scum read" that he would see you as town

PunishedBen posted...

Well your vote sure came off of Lea fast to get back onto Ctes for reasons I've yet to hear an explanation for.

This is explicitly false.

You sure made deals with "your biggest and only Scum read" that he would see you as town

I wanted to see what you would do.
Interesting was that you were more interested in protecting Ctes than you were supposedly lynching Scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It is if you see me vote him and you know Dumey and Lea are Neighbors and at least Dumey is willing to vote Ctes.

Really, if anything, you should be begging Lea not to vote there.

Oh, and btw, Lea and Dumey aren't Scum together - if Dumey isn't really a Neighborizer, then him dying implicates Lea immediately.

I am already sure he is a neighborizer because of how he came into the game claiming his role immediately on first post. But if he's a scum neighborizer then yes they can both be scum together. He just didn't use the power or didn't use it on town because he doesnt have to.

Do we have any star trek flavors that fit neighborizer?

That said, that's another reason why he's third in my lynch order rankings.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is explicitly false.

I wanted to see what you would do.
Interesting was that you were more interested in protecting Ctes than you were supposedly lynching Scum.

Me voting Lea wasn't gonna lynch her. I need majority of town to agree with that play.

I think I've made it very very clear with how I stand and who I think the scum are....I don't need to vote to show that. Not in MYLO where I am playing safe just in case I'm wrong

PunishedBen posted...

just in case I'm wrong

This mindset makes zero sense with how you've been playing or how you've been thinking, though.

You haven't changed your mind since your first post of the game.

I could maybe believe you were Town had you shown actual development through the course of the days but you haven't - you started where you are right now.

It's an easy read - Chris told you that me not hopping on him right away made me easy pickings and that you focusing on that was how you would build Town equity - after all, all you're doing is exactly what Chris did Day 1. And he knows, from the way I've been reacting, that I can be pushed into an upset place which does make me easier to lynch.

HOWEVER you went too far and my rage has subsided. I just don't have energy anymore... it's mostly all turned to sass back at you.

Is Q a Villain and a good scum neighborizer? I can't imagine a star wars mafia game without Q

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This mindset makes zero sense with how you've been playing or how you've been thinking, though.

You haven't changed your mind since your first post of the game.

I could maybe believe you were Town had you shown actual development through the course of the days but you haven't - you started where you are right now.

It's an easy read - Chris told you that me not hopping on him right away made me easy pickings and that you focusing on that was how you would build Town equity - after all, all you're doing is exactly what Chris did Day 1. And he knows, from the way I've been reacting, that I can be pushed into an upset place which does make me easier to lynch.

HOWEVER you went too far and my rage has subsided. I just don't have energy anymore... it's mostly all turned to sass back at you.

Sigh. I'm tired of this haven't changed my mind shit. Apparently my skim was enough to form a pretty accurate POE, but it wasn't all that surprising. I had JC, Ctes, and Ulti as town for very obvious reasons due to their claimed actions. I had Dumey as town for the exact same reason. I had Wallz in town because I saw how natural some of his posts were and thought he looked very non nervous for a first time player. I had Sultan in "SCUM?" along with you and Lea because i didn't have any major reason to call them town yet.

I read posts in more detail. See Sultan excited to be catching Chris in what he thinks is a scum slip on day 1. See Chris' reaction to Sultan and that all looks very natural. So I've now changed Sultan from SCUM? to TOWN.

I changed you and Lea from SCUM? to SCUM pretty much by this point. Nothing I've read from the days explicitly is a reason to confirm you town. Not even voting Chris to save yourself in the last minute of the day, Han.

It was pretty much between Wallz or Dumey as a third scum but I realized Wallz was town when he was about to get lynched at EoD by you and Lea. Dumey then slotted in as the last as I am still much more confident that JC and Ctes claimed powers are more likely town than his. Especially if he's been with Lea all game and seen no warning signs. I've also heard very little of their conversations at night that I've liked