Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 5: Poor Dumb Harry.

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ctesjbuvf
03/09/23 12:05:45 PM
#301:


UltimaterializerX posted...
This.

Answering a hypothetical on no evidence is a waste of mental energy. I dont care how Death died yet. I care about killing the scum team and nothing else matters.

For all you knew, I could have had evidence. It was a question with two options on a case you already had taken a stance on. You have come off as stubborn and just unwilling to corporate, which is pretty anti-town in itself.

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EDumey
03/09/23 12:07:18 PM
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BCT, the purpose of the night questions I asked you and MZero was to give a more detailed prompt to respond to than just "thoughts on x?" I wanted to give you a specific sequence of events to look at and respond to, to see if you were critically evaluating the situation, or just giving a canned response of "X good, Y bad." At that point, the only thing that I thought Chris looked even a little bit bad about was his very weak conditional read that he argued with Han about in Topic 1.
But you weren't even willing to engage with the question because of stated Chris-fear. A non-answer is an answer in itself, so you giving an excuse to not give an opinion on Chris doesn't exactly look great.

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 12:16:19 PM
#303:


UltimaterializerX posted...
This.

Answering a hypothetical on no evidence is a waste of mental energy. I dont care how Death died yet. I care about killing the scum team and nothing else matters.

Death was a leading lynch candidate at the end of d1. Therefore a reasonably promising mislynch candidate d2. He was killed by scum. That much is concrete. We need no more evidence than this to ask why it happened.

ctes, han, bct, lea, sultan (somewhat), crescent and myself have all expressed believing or at least being open to the possibility death was not scums intended target. Ctes asked you to answer a question assuming this hypothetical scenario is in fact reality. Plenty of veteran players here trying to play mafia not just the new guy.

im of the opinion the real waste of mental energy is asking valid questions to solve this game and receiving dumb questions in return like Do you know who Conor Mcgregor is? in return. Frankly ulti I almost hope youre scum at this point because it would explain the way youre wasting towns time and pushing us into the weeds. if thats how you play as town it makes me view playing this game as a lot less fun and thats disappointing because I was given the impression youre a great player and I believed it. I dont see anything great or even respectful to your fellow players about dismissing valid questions because its beneath your greatness. I agree the juice is not worth the squeeze with some lines of questioning but ctes request was perfectly reasonable

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Chaeix
03/09/23 12:24:53 PM
#304:


Friends Im struggling outside of this mafia game and considered asking for a replace but Ill stick around. Im sure as shit not making a full list for Ulti after being harangued last day though, beggars dont get to be choosers even in mafia. I will own the fact its anti-town to refuse such a request but quite frankly I really dont care.

Given that I have several votes and there are clearly other wolves circling, I expect this situation to turn into me providing my thoughts and then being forced to claim anyways. So lets cut to the chase and get some reactions and info to work with.

Lieutenant Reginald Barclay, Town Lazy Tracker.

Im in between a prosty and a tracker. So I target someone and find out if they leave, but then dont follow them to see where they go. So its like a prosty but theyre not notified.

Im happy to share who I targeted and what the result was if the people demand it, because the person I tracked moved, but it could expose power if theyre not scum. Part of the reason why Im a bit turned around right now is because honestly this person was my top non-death scumspect after d1 (and the death flip doesnt make me feel better about them), but the apprehension about exposing power has me second guessing wanting to apply pressure immediately.

They could also just be scum and I hit the nail on the head so yeah idk.


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wallmasterz
03/09/23 12:27:29 PM
#305:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Death may have been the kill because that's like the Spanish Inquisition, in that nobody in their right mind would expect him. There may also be a driver, as discussed, but we need a couple more pieces of information to discern that.

you hit on the other side of the coin we havent really addressed yet, which is what the heck could it mean if scum killed death on purpose. But we dont have any definitive evidence scum killed death on purpose so lets all refuse to think about it

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Chaeix
03/09/23 12:29:29 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It certainly is a very weak role.

I assumed scum wouldnt have a claimed vanilla make the NK N1 because, well, theyve claimed vanilla.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/09/23 12:32:44 PM
#308:


That role is Bizarre. Why not just be a prostitute at that point

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EDumey
03/09/23 12:34:05 PM
#310:


Chaeix posted...
Im happy to share who I targeted and what the result was if the people demand it, because the person I tracked moved, but it could expose power if theyre not scum. Part of the reason why Im a bit turned around right now is because honestly this person was my top non-death scumspect after d1 (and the death flip doesnt make me feel better about them), but the apprehension about exposing power has me second guessing wanting to apply pressure immediately.
I genuinely don't know the answer to this question on what the right play is, so I'll leave it up to others to weigh in on.

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 12:42:03 PM
#312:


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I appreciate you saying that. As of now Im tentatively planning to do so

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Chaeix
03/09/23 12:43:45 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Honestly I probably should have scanned Sheep in retrospect. Death had too much heat and was off the table because they wouldnt have him do anything if it could be avoided.

I wasnt planning on claiming today and was kind of hoping Id be able to get to the point where I could gotcha someone with you moved when you said you didnt! later on. But alas.

and now that I think about it, I could have claimed with less info to possibly maintain that ability, but alas.

I recognize that this looks like Ben not scanning Ulti last game to confirm hes a star spirit or not but its just an honest mistake this time >_>

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Chaeix
03/09/23 12:45:11 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

What if I tracked the doctor

I was flat out wrong about Chris and Death so Im not the most confident in my reads right now?

UltimaterializerX posted...
Mass* and win.

I believe you, Justin. Who moved?
Ill wait for a few more people to chime in but noted.

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 12:48:12 PM
#320:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
That role is Bizarre. Why not just be a prostitute at that point
It's effectively a Motion Detector claim. Motion Detector was in the last game I played here.


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Chaeix
03/09/23 12:49:19 PM
#321:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Was it me?

Please tell me it was me
I think its safe for me to say that its not you.

Given your claim of BP (which I just dont trust at face value fwiw) if I had a scan on you that indicated an action, youd know ;)

I thought about testing you though!

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 12:49:27 PM
#322:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Dont be tentative. Youre a good player and dont act like a jackass. More of that for sure

If we assume bus driver then I agree Sheep is scummy, yes.

thanks ulti! I appreciate the kind words

Should I read anything into the fact you didnt chime in until after jc appeared today, which suggests there couldve been some morning scum coordination, or should I attribute your answering ctes (which thanks btw) to having your heart warmed by me

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/09/23 12:53:02 PM
#324:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Was it me?

Please tell me it was me

??? Wait how would you move if you're BP BP don't move???

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Chaeix
03/09/23 12:54:26 PM
#325:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
??? Wait how would you move if your BP BP don't move???
I dont think that message should be taken at face value.

If anything I took it as I dare you to claim I have a power, I will bury you if you do

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 12:55:31 PM
#326:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
??? Wait how would you move if you're BP BP don't move???

Town Hero Bulletproof CrossFit Instructor

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/09/23 12:56:31 PM
#327:


Chaeix posted...
I dont think that message should be taken at face value.

If anything I took it as I dare you to claim I have a power, I will bury you if you do


Well I was hoping ulti would have answered with basically this but I'll take that for now

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 12:56:43 PM
#328:


wallmasterz posted...
Town Hero Bulletproof CrossFit Instructor
Wii Fit Trainer for flavor

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 12:59:01 PM
#329:


wallmasterz posted...
Town Hero Bulletproof Starfleet Academy Gym Teacher

fixed it for you crescent

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Chaeix
03/09/23 1:00:09 PM
#330:


wallmasterz posted...
fixed it for you crescent
that sounds almost dangan ronpa-esque

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 1:01:28 PM
#331:


wallmasterz posted...
fixed it for you crescent
That wouldn't be the craziest role he's claimed. Not even close.

In any case I guess I do get indecisive town vibes from JC here, I'm just not sure why he claimed so fast.

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 1:01:51 PM
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This has already become so canon for me Ill immediately vote ulti if he claims anything else

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wallmasterz
03/09/23 1:02:51 PM
#333:


##Unvote: JC

At least for now

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/09/23 1:03:27 PM
#334:


Crescent-Moon posted...
That wouldn't be the craziest role he's claimed. Not even close.

In any case I guess I do get indecisive town vibes from JC here, I'm just not sure why he claimed so fast.

Well I remember a time when Ulti master classed us all by claiming Thanos (his actual role) as town Vanilla beacuse he is old and dying version in Marvel Mafia and tricked us all lol

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 1:05:45 PM
#335:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well I remember a time when Ulti master classed us all by claiming Thanos (his actual role) as town Vanilla beacuse he is old and dying version in Marvel Mafia and tricked us all lol
No, he claimed Miller.

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Chaeix
03/09/23 1:06:15 PM
#336:


Crescent-Moon posted...
That wouldn't be the craziest role he's claimed. Not even close.

In any case I guess I do get indecisive town vibes from JC here, I'm just not sure why he claimed so fast.
I had 3 votes on me and 3 people asking questions about me. And given how D1 looked, I agree that I looked bad because of how Chris was defending me. I was more convinced Death was scum because Chris was defending me, and the death flip doesnt help me for the same reason.

Just read the room and figured that Id be the path of least resistance (I mean, how hard can I defend against the very valid point of Chris defended him, because its not something I did myself?), so claiming lets us get more discussion from the day by getting it out of the way.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/09/23 1:07:44 PM
#337:


Crescent-Moon posted...
It's effectively a Motion Detector claim. Motion Detector was in the last game I played here.

I had it in my game as a scum role.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/09/23 1:08:35 PM
#338:


Crescent-Moon posted...
No, he claimed Miller.
Ah that's right I thought it was vanilla but youre right

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 1:11:47 PM
#341:


Chaeix posted...
I had 3 votes on me and 3 people asking questions about me. And given how D1 looked, I agree that I looked bad because of how Chris was defending me. I was more convinced Death was scum because Chris was defending me, and the death flip doesnt help me for the same reason.

Just read the room and figured that Id be the path of least resistance (I mean, how hard can I defend against the very valid point of Chris defended him, because its not something I did myself?), so claiming lets us get more discussion from the day by getting it out of the way.
Oh I didn't even notice you already had 3 votes.

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 1:15:23 PM
#342:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yep. If the claim is real I've already crossed off most players as potential targets given how much he already said.

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Obellisk
03/09/23 1:26:39 PM
#343:


Votals:
[2] Isquen: Sheep, Ulti
[2] JC: Han, Sultan, (Wallz)
[0] Ulti: (Sultan)
[0] Sultan: (BCT)

It takes 7 votes to lynch. Day ends in approximately 30.5 hours

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Chaeix
03/09/23 1:45:57 PM
#345:


I almost want to just divulge so I can continue scumhunting, since I think Ive kind of paralyzed my own ability to do much until I disclose.

I cant really discuss alternative options either because thatd confirm who I *didnt* scan.

Didnt really think through ending up in this particular circumstance oops

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Crescent-Moon
03/09/23 1:55:11 PM
#347:


Scum already had a possible doublevoter I don't buy them also having a paralyzer got 'em


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wallmasterz
03/09/23 1:55:21 PM
#348:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I had it in my game as a scum role.

my two cents - I am worried about this.

I believe jc on the role claim. Lazy tracker, absolutely. But Im 60/40 right now in favor of hes scum who picked flavor from the safe list

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ctesjbuvf
03/09/23 1:58:36 PM
#349:


Still hoping for Sheep to show up.

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Isquen
03/09/23 1:59:31 PM
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Contrary to my job title, I cannot swiftly read a novel adaptation of the movie that was Day 1, I only read the blurb on the cover and had the ending spoiled. Similarly, I cant react in realtime, but If it's any consolation I have off tomorrow and can freely post all the way up to end of day (although I'm in dire need of a haircut, so will be doing THAT at some point.)

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