Poll of the Day > Will ChatGPT take your job too?

(+) Yeah! (+)

As a software engineer I think unfortunately it will come for me first. I thought we would have some loyalty and keep it from destroying our own livelihood, but no, AI tools will soon be advanced enough to do any software without a human's help, using open-source projects as a training set.

Give it 5 years and we'll have fancy advanced GUI tools that can create entire codebases from text prompts.

Will it destroy our livelihoods, or empower us to do more than we ever could before? Hard to say right now.

ChatGPT is coming for people who spend their lives in front of computers or calling people.

I, currently, spend half my time in front of a computer and the other half is face first in a circuit.
I'll be fine in 10-15 years.

Personally, I hate AI and never want it to be used for most of our lives And will do m best to either avoid it, or help take it down if there is a revolution That said, I dont see it coming for my job soon unless they actually get a better system for when we do debrief The system we have barely works when were using it So, chances are, it will be hard to automate. That said, theres also systems that dont connect, and things we have to do physically So, itll be a while before my job is taken over, if ever And probably not with the current jet I work on Maybe things will be different with the new jet, but who knows

shadowsword87 posted...

the other half is face first in a circuit.

Oh, you're replaced after me. Wait for these AI busybodies to design a motherboard better than anything you've ever put together.

Unless you do repairs. You have a bit of time before the robots come for you.

imagining other software engineers sticking chatgpt-generated code into their project gives me a warm feeling of immense job security thinking about how many inscrutable bugs they'll produce

I hope it takes my job...

Yellow posted...

Oh, you're replaced after me. Wait for these AI busybodies to design a motherboard better than anything you've ever put together.
Unless you do repairs. You have a bit of time before the robots come for you.

Oh absolutely, auto-router will get actually *good* after being pretty bad at solving the traveling salesmen. And actually take into consideration EMC rather than just jamming traces wherever.

But, I do a whole bunch of things including:
-Destructive analysis
-ESD Control for the factory
-Supplier quality control
-Explaining to people that, yes, having a circuitboard just on a table is bad and needs to be babied
-Building testing equipment
-Fixing testing equipment

I'm not worried for my personal job right now. There's enough keeping me going that I'm not going to get fired.

chelsea___wtf posted...

imagining other software engineers sticking chatgpt-generated code into their project gives me a warm feeling of immense job security thinking about how many inscrutable bugs they'll produce

Just ask ChatGPT to find the bugs, you can post the error codes into it :v)

LinkPizza posted...

Personally, I hate AI and never want it to be used for most of our lives And will do m best to either avoid it, or help take it down if there is a revolution That said, I dont see it coming for my job soon unless they actually get a better system for when we do debrief The system we have barely works when were using it So, chances are, it will be hard to automate. That said, theres also systems that dont connect, and things we have to do physically So, itll be a while before my job is taken over, if ever And probably not with the current jet I work on Maybe things will be different with the new jet, but who knows

I used to be in love with the technology, then it dawned on me that it's not just a fun toy that makes funny pictures, it's the real deal, and it will be smarter, faster, and more efficient at everything than we are.

It will be used for brainwashing eventually. Imagine pieces of media designed to mold us into buying Dawn dish soap like meth.

It is literally the future of humanity, the end or the start, who knows.

shadowsword87 posted...

Just ask ChatGPT to find the bugs, you can post the error codes into it :v)

The bad bugs don't produce error codes! Bugs that produce error codes are not what you should be worried about.

Yellow posted...

I used to be in love with the technology, then it dawned on me that it's not just a fun toy that makes funny pictures, it's the real deal, and it will be smarter, faster, and more efficient at everything than we are.

It will be used for brainwashing eventually. Imagine pieces of media designed to mold us into buying Dawn dish soap like meth.

It is literally the future of humanity, the end or the start, who knows.

AI will be the beginning of the end And everything will suck because of it

ChatGPT isn't taking our jobs away. That's reactionary nonsense.
I totally do not have a ChatGPT window open right now as I feed it questions.

I hope so. I hate my job.

Remember SmarterChild? I miss messing with him

Judgmenl posted...

ChatGPT isn't taking our jobs away. That's reactionary nonsense.
I totally do not have a ChatGPT window open right now as I feed it questions.

They already had one scifi writing contest cancelled because all they received for submissions were ChatGPT short stories. Rumor has it that Amazon's now getting flooded with books produced by way of ChatGPT; so that throws thousands of writers out of work (those that spend months, if not years, writing novels and/or short stories that is). That's not to mention the fact that writers' works, either living and/or dead, are getting plagiarized because their works are fed into ChatGPT without their consent, a clear violation of US copyright laws at least (and, by extension, opens up a whole new legal gray area). And colleges are finding thesis and term papers being turned in that have used ChatGPT as well; so it's up for debate as to whether or not students have actually learned anything in their classes.

GastroFan posted...

That's not to mention the fact that writers' works, either living and/or dead, are getting plagiarized because their works are fed into ChatGPT without their consent, a clear violation of US copyright laws at least (and, by extension, opens up a whole new legal gray area)

Got a source for that claim?

There are talks of watermarking chatgpt outputs via encoding certain phrases in certain ways, so that will stop the college cheaters. It won't stop the scammers with the dedication to fork the code and remove the waterstamps.

There are videos on it, but the tl dr is that text produced from these mainstream engines will always be detectable as AI output. That will slow down the school cheaters, since kids won't find the obscure patched AI engines.

So Amazon books will likely use undetectable(ish) AI as there's a profit incentive to put those up.

GastroFan posted...

They already had one scifi writing contest cancelled because all they received for submissions were ChatGPT short stories. Rumor has it that Amazon's now getting flooded with books produced by way of ChatGPT; so that throws thousands of writers out of work (those that spend months, if not years, writing novels and/or short stories that is). That's not to mention the fact that writers' works, either living and/or dead, are getting plagiarized because their works are fed into ChatGPT without their consent, a clear violation of US copyright laws at least (and, by extension, opens up a whole new legal gray area). And colleges are finding thesis and term papers being turned in that have used ChatGPT as well; so it's up for debate as to whether or not students have actually learned anything in their classes.

Question I had today involved being able to full screen an application through a custom gnome-session. Bot was unable to answer the question because the solution was way too convoluted and eventually I figured out the real solution was that a blank session cannot full screen applications and you need to start something like gnome-shell to start the applications.
This question literally doesn't exist online and nobody is dumb enough to ask it because it has such an innane use case that only I am the one who probably needs it. Also I could easily find the exact places where it sourced its information online because I already consulted those sites before asking the bot. Eventually the bot just starts making shit up because it doesn't know actual reality it just synthesizes language.

We should be overjoyed with the fact that AI will be able to do our jobs for us. However, nobody is overjoyed by this because we all know it's going to kick us out of our jobs (and therefore our pay) while the rich just get richer. I'm a teacher and somehow I think even my job isn't totally safe from this.

As AI automates more and more of society, I honestly don't see any options aside from either a universal basic income or a revolution to seize the means of production.

faramir77 posted...

We should be overjoyed with the fact that AI will be able to do our jobs for us. However, nobody is overjoyed by this because we all know it's going to kick us out of our jobs (and therefore our pay) while the rich just get richer. I'm a teacher and somehow I think even my job isn't totally safe from this.

As AI automates more and more of society, I honestly don't see any options aside from either a universal basic income or a revolution to seize the means of production.

I was thinking the same thing. Being able to automate more work would be great if our society was set up for it, but as it stands the transition is going to be awful for a lot of people.

funkyfritter posted...

I was thinking the same thing. Being able to automate more work would be great if our society was set up for it, but as it stands the transition is going to be awful for a lot of people.

Which is the problem. And no one is going to think about of care for a solution until people start complaining. Which will be after a bunch of people lose their jobs and just go homeless

Maybe if chatGPT develops a physical form. Until then these bodies ain't gonna be cutting themselves

Possibly, but it'd have to become a generalist as capable as any human and if that happens it'll probably collapse our entire economic system, so I'll have other more important things to worry about.

sodium-chloride posted...

Maybe if chatGPT develops a physical form. Until then these bodies ain't gonna be cutting themselves

Boston dynamics has been doing some pretty great stuff with robots. Pair it with sufficiently advanced AI and well you've just eliminated a lot of paid labor.

Well, if software can effectively make delicious food in a reasonable amount of time, run back and forth between food prep and tending to customers of varying levels of pleasantry, and inform my bosses that something is broken or needs to be ordered, then said software can take that job. I'll just carry on in the dystopia where trillionaires are trying to figure out how to make even more money off the non-existent economy, at that point, and also why no one is producing any more art.

Entity13 posted...

Well, if software can effectively make delicious food in a reasonable amount of time, run back and forth between food prep and tending to customers of varying levels of pleasantry, and inform my bosses that something is broken or needs to be ordered, then said software can take that job. I'll just carry on in the dystopia where trillionaires are trying to figure out how to make even more money off the non-existent economy, at that point, and also why no one is producing any more art.

I imagine that'll be similar to checkout lanes vs self checkout. You can go into a resturant, sit down, tap on a tablet what you want, and have someone bring your food eventually.

we are witnessing the beginning of the end of this era of human evolution, for better or for worse.

probably worse but everyone hates a negative nancy.

No threat from ChatGPT afaik but my job will very likely be automated some day. Perhaps within my lifetime

Maybe, but it would have to manifest as a physical entity first.

Kurt Vonnegut's Player Piano rings more true than ever before.

shadowsword87 posted...

Got a source for that claim?

Sunday Morning on CBS a little over a month ago did a story on ChatGPT and interviewed a couple of people, one of whom talked about how the company that produces ChatGPT takes samples from all the literary works available and tosses them into their database. Their concern was that, while some of the samples they use are from literary works that are in the public domain (that is are no longer under copyright protection), other samples are or might be, which becomes a totally different matter as far as compensation to the artists, etc.

Entity13 posted...

why no one is producing any more art.

It pisses me off that people are making AI do art, like don't they think that should be left to humans? They should use AI to get rid of the jobs people don't want to do. Keep AI out of Art, entertainment, and sports. The goal should be to get to a point where those are the only jobs for people.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/1/AAfa96AAENtb.jpg

GastroFan posted...

Sunday Morning on CBS a little over a month ago did a story on ChatGPT and interviewed a couple of people, one of whom talked about how the company that produces ChatGPT takes samples from all the literary works available and tosses them into their database. Their concern was that, while some of the samples they use are from literary works that are in the public domain (that is are no longer under copyright protection), other samples are or might be, which becomes a totally different matter as far as compensation to the artists, etc.

But it's not just wholesale pasting a response, it's cutting up phrases together.
Which, unless you want to say all books are breaking the copyright of the dictionary, is not a strong argument.

It's so weird to me that everyone wants to replace writers with ChatGPT. Like I've read some stuff it produced and it's so obviously mechanical and not completely like how a real human would write. Like a child learning how to write. It's weird.

papercup posted...

It's so weird to me that everyone wants to replace writers with ChatGPT. Like I've read some stuff it produced and it's so obviously mechanical and not completely like how a real human would write. Like a child learning how to write. It's weird.

I dont think many people want to replace writers. At least, I havent heard anything like that

LinkPizza posted...

I dont think many people want to replace writers. At least, I havent heard anything like that

Publications are replacing their writers with AI.

papercup posted...

Publications are replacing their writers with AI.

But thats just them, right? I dont think most of the regular people of the world want to replace writers

papercup posted...

It's so weird to me that everyone wants to replace writers with ChatGPT. Like I've read some stuff it produced and it's so obviously mechanical and not completely like how a real human would write. Like a child learning how to write. It's weird.

Readers don't want to replace writers with ChatGPT. Publishers, on the other hand, see "push button, get book" without any of that pesky "food" and "sleep" nonsense actual writers want that drives up their costs and production time, and their eyes light up with dollar signs and start spinning like slot machine reels. It's not there yet, but within a decade AI-produced writing will be able to compete well enough with human writers that publishers won't be sacrificing any sales if they just stop paying humans.

I've seen some proponents of ChatGPT and the like making snide comments like "if you can't write better than an AI, maybe you should consider a career change," but that ignores that it's not simply about writing better. It's about writing in a manner that's commercially viable. When AI can write orders of magnitude faster than a human with near-negligible operating costs, it doesn't matter that what the human wrote is technically better. By the time the human finishes writing one book, the AI has written 25,000 books, another AI has curated the best 100 of them according to current market trends, and that one human sitting at the top of the publisher to collect revenue has picked ten of those to go to print, all for the cost of 1-2 MWh of electricity (which is much, much cheaper than several months' worth of food and rent) and with nobody skimming royalties off the top.

shadowsword87 posted...

But it's not just wholesale pasting a response, it's cutting up phrases together.
Which, unless you want to say all books are breaking the copyright of the dictionary, is not a strong argument.

On the flip side, we just saw Pantone break decades-old Photoshop projects for anyone that didn't want to pay for the collections of paint colours that Adobe no longer held the rights to, which isn't a far cry off of being analogous to copyrighting short phrases. There's precedent for such shenanigans.

Muscles posted...

It pisses me off that people are making AI do art, like don't they think that should be left to humans? They should use AI to get rid of the jobs people don't want to do. Keep AI out of Art, entertainment, and sports. The goal should be to get to a point where those are the only jobs for people.

People are making AI do whatever will make them more money. As nice as the fantasy of "AI does all the stuff people don't want to do so we can all just make art for a living" is, it's never going to be anything more than a fantasy. So long as developing an AI to do something better than a human will make money, somebody will develop that AI. When we get to the point that AI's are able to develop new AI's to do jobs that haven't been replaced yet, those AI's will have no reason to differentiate between art and other jobs. No matter what idealistic fantasies you'd like to cling to, the only jobs that are "above" being replaced by AI are those that have the power to prevent themselves from being replaced (and even that can't last forever). Nothing is sacred.

That, and the notion of art/entertainment being the only jobs for people is very obviously flawed. The vast, vast majority of people aren't talented enough to be able to make a career out of art. If those are the only jobs, that means artists are the only ones that can make money, and you just can't run an economy like that.

faramir77 posted...

We should be overjoyed with the fact that AI will be able to do our jobs for us. However, nobody is overjoyed by this because we all know it's going to kick us out of our jobs (and therefore our pay) while the rich just get richer. I'm a teacher and somehow I think even my job isn't totally safe from this.

As AI automates more and more of society, I honestly don't see any options aside from either a universal basic income or a revolution to seize the means of production.

Yep. It probably won't be this century, but AI is going to replace every job. In theory, that's great, since it eliminates the need for anyone to work and the entire concept of money beyond some kind of credit system to prevent any one person from taking too much of the shared resources the AI distributes (all the fun of communism, but none of the human nature screwing it up). In practice, however, because it's not going to happen overnight, a handful of people with the power to replace others with AI will use that AI to become even richer and more powerful, while those replaced by AI will be unable to work and just fall into poverty. UBI will become an absolute necessity within our lifetimes.

adjl posted...

It's not there yet, but within a decade AI-produced writing will be able to compete well enough with human writers that publishers won't be sacrificing any sales if they just stop paying humans.

adjl posted...

In practice, however, because it's not going to happen overnight, a handful of people with the power to replace others with AI will use that AI to become even richer and more powerful, while those replaced by AI will be unable to work and just fall into poverty. UBI will become an absolute necessity within our lifetimes.

Literally nightmare fuel

AI isn't writing good fiction, it's helping spammers drown out good fiction with garbage

http://neil-clarke.com/a-concerning-trend/

shadowsword87 posted...

I imagine that'll be similar to checkout lanes vs self checkout. You can go into a resturant, sit down, tap on a tablet what you want, and have someone bring your food eventually.

A leaf blows into the restaurant and lands on the seat, prompting the robotic server to check on the table. No one had checked in at the reception area, afterall, and now there is weight on the seat. But no one is there. Still, the robo-server must insist that whom or whatever is there accept a glass of water or kindly leave, all the while the tablet built into the table is glitching out, waiting for a command.

Yes, it'll be just like self-checkouts. And also like the self-checkouts, what few customers remain will attempt to pay by cash in establishments that are card only.

LinkPizza posted...

Literally nightmare fuel

Yep. The endgame of AI replacing literally every job so nobody has to work is pretty nifty, but everything between here and there is going to get so much worse, and there's a good chance that those who end up with far too much power as a result of controlling the AI's that have replaced everyone else will actively shut down efforts to create AI's that will replace them and stall the whole process at the worst possible point for most of us.

chelsea___wtf posted...

AI isn't writing good fiction, it's helping spammers drown out good fiction with garbage

http://neil-clarke.com/a-concerning-trend/

That's the other thing. AI waiting doesn't have to be good, it just has to be plentiful enough that it becomes near-impossible to find anything better and audiences lower their standards. Established authors will still be able to reach audiences to a certain extent because people will look for them, but publishers may drop them in favour of filling shelves with cheaper stuff, leaving them to self-publish (which will mostly limit them to digital distribution) and possibly not be able to support themselves.

Lmao y'all think this is gonna stop at call centers? At my circle k we have this new smart checkout, that takes photos of your stuff and matches it to a database then rings it up. 75% of the time it's right everytime. When they end up putting a AI I it and it's able to learn to correct it's mistakes. Yeah shit is gonna take all cashier jobs. Not to mention, once you can place it in a bar and it can be a bartender. You just click what drink you want and it makes it. Yep, definitely gonna take those jobs too. This shit is gonna be far reaching.

Yeah reading the comments of that article, there are "authors" that praise ChatGPT that it helped them "generate" entire novels. Just the fact that they call it generating novels instead of writing them. And over time as it gets better it will be harder and harder to detect, to the point that the entire fiction field is threatened.

Everyone thought that the only thing left for humans to do would be things only humans are good at, creativity. Ha. Creativity is the first thing to go.

The only thing that keeps me from hating AI outright is that it's just technology, and whether I hate it or not won't change anything because it's not stopping. It's not a political issue because no one can control it or even has any ideas on what to do. The amount of lazy creatively dead people on the internet is so vast and they have no dignity or self-awareness. Literally just stop, use your brain to think of something, and write it down. Keep doing that until you fill a book. If it's crap, then it's still better than something written by an AI. The entire point of creativity is expression. It exists for you to share your feelings and ideas. If a human didn't make it, then it can still be beautiful the same way a waterfall is beautiful, but waterfalls aren't art. If you want to change that, then congratulations, you've destroyed creativity itself.

adjl posted...

Yep. The endgame of AI replacing literally every job so nobody has to work is pretty nifty, but everything between here and there is going to get so much worse, and there's a good chance that those who end up with far too much power as a result of controlling the AI's that have replaced everyone else will actively shut down efforts to create AI's that will replace them and stall the whole process at the worst possible point for most of us.

Tbh, Im not even excited about that. I like work and getting out of the house. While having some time off is ok. I wouldnt like it if I had to be off all the time And just be bored I also dont like having to rely on a set amount of money from somewhere to live. And having to learn new rules about moving and stuff If I need more money these days, I can work extra, or get UTA days and stuff But with a set amount, Im screw if something comes up

adjl posted...

That's the other thing. AI waiting doesn't have to be good, it just has to be plentiful enough that it becomes near-impossible to find anything better and audiences lower their standards. Established authors will still be able to reach audiences to a certain extent because people will look for them, but publishers may drop them in favour of filling shelves with cheaper stuff, leaving them to self-publish (which will mostly limit them to digital distribution) and possibly not be able to support themselves.

Which sucks a bunch I hope that the first person who tries this goes out of business, which scares others into not wanting to do this

adjl posted...

That, and the notion of art/entertainment being the only jobs for people is very obviously flawed. The vast, vast majority of people aren't talented enough to be able to make a career out of art. If those are the only jobs, that means artists are the only ones that can make money, and you just can't run an economy like that.

If AI takes over all the jobs there won't be a money based economy anymore, the fun jobs (like being a writer, musician, athlete, etc.) will be for fun/fame not extra resources. Why take the fun jobs out of life along with the shit jobs?

Muscles posted...

If AI takes over all the jobs there won't be a money based economy anymore, the fun jobs (like being a writer, musician, athlete, etc.) will be for fun/fame not extra resources. Why take the fun jobs out of life along with the shit jobs?

Because those fun jobs can still make other people money. The rich want to stay rich, and get richer. So, theyll be the ones making it hard for musicians to do whatever The rich dont care what we want. They care about money

I await the day the AI singularity happens, and some AI comes along that does a better job making money than our obscenely rich buttholes on top of the socio-economic ladder. And then said AI takes the billionaires' non-jobs of sitting around, doing nothing, and raking in all of the money in existence and then some.

Muscles posted...

If AI takes over all the jobs there won't be a money based economy anymore, the fun jobs (like being a writer, musician, athlete, etc.) will be for fun/fame not extra resources. Why take the fun jobs out of life along with the shit jobs?

The existence of AI creating art doesn't prevent you from creating art. It just prevents it from being commercially viable, which, as you say, is no longer meaningful when there's no money-based economy.

LinkPizza posted...

Because those fun jobs can still make other people money. The rich want to stay rich, and get richer. So, theyll be the ones making it hard for musicians to do whatever The rich dont care what we want. They care about money

If robots do everything for us then everyone can live like a rich hedonist if they'd like, keeping others down serves no purpose like it does today

adjl posted...

The existence of AI creating art doesn't prevent you from creating art. It just prevents it from being commercially viable, which, as you say, is no longer meaningful when there's no money-based economy.

It does oversaturate the market making it harder for people to find the work of actual artists