Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 5 - I swear that I, Kooper, will follow you anywhere!

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MZero
02/13/23 11:22:57 AM
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Alive (14):
Ben
Cody
Ctes
Death
Dumey
Han
Hb
JC
Kirby
Peaf
Plum
Red
Sultan
Ulti

Shredded:
LD1: Isquen Eldstar, TOWN Vanilla
KN1: Lea Bombette, TOWN Bomb
KN1: SBell - Koopa Bros., KOOPA TROOP Ninjas

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00 P.M. Eastern (or 10 hours from now).

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MZero
02/13/23 11:34:18 AM
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JC [3] Han, Peaf, ctes
Ben [2] - Sultan, Kirby
Sultan [2] Plum, Ulti
Han [1] - JC
Death [0] - (Peaf), (Dumey)
Dumey [0] - (Ulti)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00 P.M. Eastern

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TheSultanOfSlam
02/13/23 11:35:10 AM
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Mzero I did not vote myself

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TheSultanOfSlam
02/13/23 11:36:42 AM
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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 11:40:34 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Page 1 reads:

Sultan scum. SBell scum (JFC that guy would be dead as grass if I was actually here). Plum probably scum. ctes red flagged.


UltimaterializerX posted...
-SBell defending Kirby out of no where is, uh.... yeah.

SBell is probably town. Scumbell is more careful than this.


This sure is a weird inconsistency where Ulti I'm pretty sure knew SBell was Scum earlier and I guess in his reading back, he decided to stop remembering that fact.

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MZero
02/13/23 11:41:55 AM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Mzero I did not vote myself

I have no idea what you're talking about

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htaeD
02/13/23 11:43:43 AM
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That sure is weird indeed

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TheSultanOfSlam
02/13/23 11:43:50 AM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
This sure is a weird inconsistency where Ulti I'm pretty sure knew SBell was Scum earlier and I guess in his reading back, he decided to stop remembering that fact.

Scum slip?

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 11:45:17 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
SBell literally always wants me lynched or replaced if hes scum, or he makes an advance excuse for going inactive. He cannot help himself. Its the easiest read there is and I would have killed him on the spot for that garbage if I was actually here on day one.

From earlier in the topic.

Did Ulti decide to go back and actually reread Day 1, and forgot he already let us know he knew SBell was Scum?

Like, these catchups read like someone trying to feign live reactions to the topics... but they don't make sense at all.

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EDumey
02/13/23 11:45:31 AM
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I just hit the quote button and copy paste from the reply box.

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EDumey
02/13/23 11:46:04 AM
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Like THIS!

ctesjbuvf posted...
Dumey, I didn't take a shot at you because of Lea's suspicion. I actually said I didn't think there was much value into looking her into her death and was called out for supposedly defending you a lot because of it. What I said was that I agreed with her points.
You've defended the point. But I have a different interpretation of this post.
ctesjbuvf posted...
For what it's worth, if I had been around at the end of yesterday, I think I would most likely have voted Dumey. Lea commented that his play felt much more criticizing of how people played than trying to find scum and I found myself agreeing with that. Dumey today stating that Lea only used woman's intuition as a reason is weird because it's incorrect and yet his Death walls are fixing exactly what was called out on there.
This reads to me like you came in here today and put together an opportunity to put suspicion on me because of Lea's posts at the end of the day. Doesn't matter to me that you said it wasn't worth pursuing after the fact. My take is that I'm putting you in the same bucket as the others for that.

I didn't put you in my priority list because I think I need more to actually suspect you, but I'm just stating my reads of the situation.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 11:46:13 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
You're misreading and the second line in the second quote is fron ctes, I just lazy quoted:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/0/AABxG1AAELig.jpg

I don't know how to quote from a different topic or I would.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/3/AAOJ0pAAELij.png

I assume you're on mobile, but copy-paste keeps quote blocks across topics.

But please do find a way to reformat that post of yours.

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htaeD
02/13/23 11:46:23 AM
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Damn that would be too good to be true.

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ctesjbuvf
02/13/23 11:47:41 AM
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Ben, your answer as to why you went from thinking there was scum in Peaf/Dumey to thinking both were town was not very great since you basically just said you changed your mind. Can you elaborate on what made you move there again?

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 11:49:05 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Please mislynch me again after you literally did not read correctly so I can just forever laugh at you. JFC dude, I'm not tech savvy and lazy quoted because I can't figure out how to do it without an actual quote button.

CTES called SBell town. CTES. I even screen shotted my post. There are quotes around his bit below line 3 of post 451.

I'm not sure how to react to this because you are like, WAY overreacting here.

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Kirby321
02/13/23 11:53:21 AM
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EDumey posted...
One thing I found curious is that in Kirby's list of reads in 4.266, he separated Red from the other "nebulous" low activity players. This could be meaningless, but just wanted to note it.

Everyone that I didn't say was town or scum was a neutral read, sans Sultan who I have as town leaning, but it's not a strong town lean. But he's probably my highest town read on the list of neutral reads.

But to elaborate, they're all neutral reads but varying degrees of neutral, put into a more meme-y format. Red is "Present" because he hasn't said much of anything, but Red never says anything. That's not a defense, but it's also not an attack on Red. He's a tough nut to crack if he barely interacts with anyone.

Ulti is "White Noise" because I've largely been ignoring his posts since they're extremely vocal and confident reads from a dude that has not caught up with the game yet has full confidence in his reads.

You and Death are in "Vanguards of the Neutral Reads Frontline" because I've gone back and forth on you two repeatedly. You guys aren't hiding in the shadows, and yet I can't get a solid grasp on your alignments.

And then Ctes, JC, and Hb are "Lost in the Sea of Nebulous Idkness" because I have no solid read on those folks, nor have they really done anything to make much of an impression on me. I've agreed with most of Ctes's posts, but like Han said, Ctes has felt like mostly words and not much action. JC I'm starting to lean town on just because his explanations seem a little too uncanny to be fake scum logic. And then Hb I initially thought was town because of his botched crusade on Sultan, but he really hasn't done much afterward. I guess he was critical at overtime for saying he'd vote Peaf... and then not doing it, allowing Plum to unvote and break the tie?

Anyway, speaking of Ulti being white noise...

UltimaterializerX posted...
Han is probably town.
Death is probably town.
Kirby is probably town.
Plum is probably town.
I don't feel too great about Sultan.

Don't think to hard about any of the explained here, they're not hard reads then. It's all mostly a mix of gut feel and knowledge of usual play.

The fact that so little have pinged me wrongly makes me think most scum are a combination of good players and people that haven't been around much yet."

I like this ctes post. Huge town points. I agree with most of those reads, mainly the Sultan one.

???????
Ulti was out here calling me scum, and now he's agreeing with Ctes that I'm town? Without any elaboration at all?

I am going to be peeved if we lose this game because a town Ulti decides to lynch Plum at the last second or something because he hasn't been reading the game.

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PunishedBen
02/13/23 11:55:25 AM
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masterplum posted...
I don't believe you can believe Sultan is solidly town.

What has he done that would make you continue to think that
Here is my logic fully spelled out.

Last game Sbell and Han did not want to recruit Sultan, and I think one reason is because they were afraid of him making a mistake as scum. Sbell, acted so confident that Sultan was "Playing like Town Sultan". He said if he was wrong he would worship and bow down to the throne of Sultan or something. I think if Sultan was a scummate of Sbell he would be much more worried that Sultan will slip up and not be quick to be so confident about this.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 11:56:10 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I don't mind people calling me scum for actual bad play. That's the game, whatever, part of the deal.

"The cat called the dog an octopus so Ulti is scum because Ulti called the dog an octopus" is just silly and it's guaranteed to always annoy me.

That's literally not what happened and your insistence that you are not 100% at fault for posting a quote that looks like it is something you said yourself is completely barmy.

ALL you had to do was clarify. And then give people time to read your clarification.


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TheSultanOfSlam
02/13/23 11:58:05 AM
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PunishedBen posted...
Here is my logic fully spelled out.

Last game Sbell and Han did not want to recruit Sultan, and I think one reason is because they were afraid of him making a mistake as scum. Sbell, acted so confident that Sultan was "Playing like Town Sultan". He said if he was wrong he would worship and bow down to the throne of Sultan or something. I think if Sultan was a scummate of Sbell he would be much more worried that Sultan will slip up and not be quick to be so confident about this.

I know this is attacking myself but not true they thought I looked too town to recruit or something like that

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Hbthebattle
02/13/23 11:59:58 AM
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PunishedBen posted...
Last game Sbell and Han did not want to recruit Sultan
Han was definitely fine with wanting to recruit Sultan looking at their discord log, and their issues were relating to him changing sides, not being bad at scum.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 12:00:59 PM
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I was under the impression that I ended up agreeing with SBell.

I even specifically told Chang that I would recruit Sultan in our Neighbor chat because I wanted him to think I was only surface thinking.

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Kirby321
02/13/23 12:02:03 PM
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PunishedBen posted...
Here is my logic fully spelled out.

Last game Sbell and Han did not want to recruit Sultan, and I think one reason is because they were afraid of him making a mistake as scum. Sbell, acted so confident that Sultan was "Playing like Town Sultan". He said if he was wrong he would worship and bow down to the throne of Sultan or something. I think if Sultan was a scummate of Sbell he would be much more worried that Sultan will slip up and not be quick to be so confident about this.

This is laughable.

You were the host of that game. You had access to the scum chat.

What do you mean you "THINK" that's the reason Han and Sbell didn't recruit Sultan? You had access to their conversations! You would know exactly what reasons Han and Sbell had for refusing to recruit Sultan.

Han clearly stated that Sultan was too town to be recruited that game. Everyone thought Sultan was town. It had less to do with Sultan possibly making a mistake as scum and more about a town Sultan possibly sticking out like a sore thumb for not acting so town-y anymore. That's how I interpreted Han's intentions, at least.

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ctesjbuvf
02/13/23 12:03:07 PM
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Kirby321 posted...
???????
Ulti was out here calling me scum, and now he's agreeing with Ctes that I'm town? Without any elaboration at all?

You literally bolded "most of" yourself.

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Peace___Frog
02/13/23 12:06:40 PM
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That is so much easier to follow. Thanks Ulti. I also did a huge "wtf" when reading your last post of the last topic, so it wasn't only Han.

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Kirby321
02/13/23 12:06:57 PM
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ctesjbuvf posted...
You literally bolded "most of" yourself.

I don't understand why you're defending Ulti instead of letting him speak for himself.

I find it odd that Ulti didn't say something about you thinking I'm town when Ulti so proudly proclaimed that I was scum. That's a direct contradiction, yet Ulti didn't call attention to it and make clear of his own stances.

This dude Ulti is singlemindedly focused on lynching Sultan. Now, I can't tell if that's a scum Ulti or a town Ulti, but it's concerning regardless.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 12:11:38 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Solid town read on Justin.

Can someone explain why he's the current lynch leader? I'm not seeing it.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Was Justin active at the end of day one? At a glance his vote is by far the worst one but if he was afk then I can maybe allow it.



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ctesjbuvf
02/13/23 12:12:33 PM
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Kirby321 posted...
I find it odd that Ulti didn't say something about you thinking I'm town when Ulti so proudly proclaimed that I was scum.

If this is what you were hoping to get answer of it wasn't clear to me, I thought you missed most of or something.

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masterplum
02/13/23 12:17:46 PM
#37:


PunishedBen posted...
Here is my logic fully spelled out.

Last game Sbell and Han did not want to recruit Sultan, and I think one reason is because they were afraid of him making a mistake as scum. Sbell, acted so confident that Sultan was "Playing like Town Sultan". He said if he was wrong he would worship and bow down to the throne of Sultan or something. I think if Sultan was a scummate of Sbell he would be much more worried that Sultan will slip up and not be quick to be so confident about this.

Han is this true? Didnt bother to read the cult chat

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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/23 12:20:54 PM
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masterplum posted...
Han is this true? Didnt bother to read the cult chat

Mostly. SBell did say that he didn't think that Sultan could be trusted to switch sides, and would come across as quite different if recruited. I agreed and thought that Sultan might be too Townish, that leaving him alive was incriminating towards him, especially if he was acting different. At least, that's how I remember it.


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TheSultanOfSlam
02/13/23 12:22:16 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Peaf [4] - (Han), Ben, (Han), Plum, Death, red
Isquen [4] (Sultan), EDumey, (Han), (Lea), Kirby, Lea, Han
Lea [2] (Kirby), Sbell, JC
Plum [2] Peaf, (Han), Sultan
Han [1] - Isquen, (JC), (Sultan)
Sultan [1] - (Plum), Hb, (Isquen)
Dumey [0] - (Peaf), (Lea)
Ben [0] - (Peaf), (Lea), (Death)
Red [0] (JC)
Kirby [0] - (Han), (Lea), (Sultan), (Peaf)
Hb [0] - (Sultan)
Sbell [0] - (Plum)

Plum would eventually break the tie by unvoting.

Sultan was post 351, so he was there at the end of the day and committed to nothing. Isquen voted for him, and Sultan had a vote the other way around, so I'm surprised Sultan didn't do anything.

Very hard for me to see this as anything other than a town/town lynch with Scum Sultan knowing a vote for either would make him look awful. SBell more or less telling us Sultan is a power role also helps.

Kill with fire.


Bruh I didn't even know it went to OT.

I said I might not have been around for EOD beacuse of Tequando.

I was coming around on Isquen EOD. And saw his alluded vanilla claim. I felt weird about Han Voted Han.. Han wasn't going to get lynched or saw Plum who wasn't one of Lea Isquen or Peaf had votes so I voted Peaf and wasn't around the rest of day.


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htaeD
02/13/23 12:22:56 PM
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Setting Ulti's fiery desires aside for Sultan himself, his recaps do make me wonder... that maybe Lea was also killed because they wanted to show that the lynch was 3 ways down to town?
Though I guess that cant be the only reason

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ctesjbuvf
02/13/23 12:23:56 PM
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htaeD posted...
Setting Ulti's fiery desires aside for Sultan himself, his recaps do make me wonder... that maybe Lea was also killed because they wanted to show that the lynch was 3 ways down to town?

Please explain why they would want that.

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htaeD
02/13/23 12:25:15 PM
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I hadnt gotten that far yet.
The only thing I can think of is that they want to make people look less at the ones who voted Lea.

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htaeD
02/13/23 12:25:32 PM
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(which, Sbell was one of!)

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Peace___Frog
02/13/23 12:26:18 PM
#46:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...


I was coming around on Isquen EOD. And saw his alluded vanilla claim. I felt weird about Han Voted Han.. Han wasn't going to get lynched or saw Plum who wasn't one of Lea Isquen or Peaf had votes so I voted Peaf and wasn't around the rest of day.
I'm not following you at all, Sultan.

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ctesjbuvf
02/13/23 12:27:42 PM
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He meant he voted plum.

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TheSultanOfSlam
02/13/23 12:27:58 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
I'm not following you at all, Sultan.

Basically yesterday I did not think any of the 3 of you were a good lynch. Though plum was a better lynch.

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Peace___Frog
02/13/23 12:28:24 PM
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htaeD posted...
I hadnt gotten that far yet.
The only thing I can think of is that they want to make people look less at the ones who voted Lea.
I feel like trying to think hard about why scum killed Lea is foolish. She's a strong player, han is probably protected n1. Trying to say "scum wanted town to look at this" is probably coming from a spot where you know what scum discussed and you want the conversation to go in that direction. But you're not tactful enough to do that.

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