Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 5 - I swear that I, Kooper, will follow you anywhere!

(+) Yeah! (+)

PunishedBen posted...

I am mostly trusting Peaf to tell me this is scum Dumey and Dumey to tell me if this is scum Peaf. Most of the time when there is a fight between two players i can tell if it is town/town.Han and Sbell's early fighting did not come off as town/town, and I ended up being right about that. Peaf and Dumey's day 1 fighting I thought did not come off as town/town, but I was town reading Dumey and still am, so either I was wrong or I am still right and one of the two (OR BOTH) is just really good at the game.

It's funny you say that, because while you and I know each other fairly well, you have yet to take a stance on me. Yet I've made it clear how I perceive your play this game :P

UltimaterializerX posted...

UH OH HAN HE THINKS YOU ARE DIFFERENT THIS GAME HE MUST BE SCUM WITH ME

HB/Ulti scum power couple outing ourselves by thinking Han looks good, LFG.

This is such a misinterpretation of what I said.

Ulti, why are you so insistent on misrepresenting everything? You literally said you hate that last page... and yet it's your playbook, here.

UltimaterializerX posted...

This type of thing makes people not want to catch up or be active.

At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I think you'd be more productive taking notes as you catch up, then fully catching up, reviewing your notes and seeing what makes the most sense with current context that you've seen, the presenting your ideas.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I did it as a joke, hence the all caps and obvious sarcasm. Come on man, you spent a bunch of time saying I was ignoring you on purpose because I wasn't listening to you. Now I pay attention to you and think you're town and it's unnerving. That isn't really fair.

I'm getting to your D2 wall. Gimme a bit.

You used a hyperbolic joke to dodge the point.

I just won a game against you, as Scum, orchestrating you securing the final mislynch.

Doesn't really make sense for you to be this confident in my innocence, here.

Kirby321 posted...

Why don't you explain to me what value you've found from Ulti's posts, hm?

I just said I think there's value in his player read of Plum.

I think Sultan is someone that everyone claims is "easy to read" but also unanimously just declare him town. Ulti and HB are the only ones that seem to respect him enough to honestly consider Sultan as scum (even if HB is tunneling too much on that one specifically.)

I think getting a fresh perspective of who's reads were "on" or "off" at the time they were made tells us not only about those players, but also about Ulti, and so is valuable in determining whether or not Ulti is scum.

That was three easy layups. Why are you intent on discrediting someone posting content when no one else is applying direct pressure anywhere?

EDumey posted...

That was three easy layups. Why are you intent on discrediting someone posting content when no one else is applying direct pressure anywhere?

Why are you so content to let Ulti do the work when you're not applying any pressure, yourself?

Peace___Frog posted...

Ok. So earlier in the day you thought town Han but scum Sbell was very unlikely. And then you voted to save han.

Can you please walk me through what changed your mind on han?

Oh wait
No
I didnt think Han was scum
I ruled that out because he was behaving so anti-last game.

That sentence you quoted (if thats where you got that from) was me saying that I didnt think Han could be scum if Sbell was town. (And really but still on a lesser note: if scum was scum)
I didnt mean to say otherwise if you got confused about that.

UltimaterializerX posted...

And I'm supposed to think Peaf is scum?

Plum being scum and unvoting is easy to explain. He knows it was a town/town lynch. Unvoting makes him "look golden" later.

If Peaf is town, then why would scum not let him get lynched over Isquen, who had pretty much given up on the game by the end?

Plum could have let Peaf get lynched since Hb literally said he would vote for Peaf. Letting Peaf get lynched and silencing an active voice would be more favorable than Isquen getting lynched. In fact, Isquen could have been set up as a very easy D2 mislynch. So why would scum Plum save Peaf instead of letting Hb kill him?

I hate that I have to reexplain this, but I literally had the same argument as you, Ulti. And we discussed that thoroughly. If you're town, Ulti, you'd do us all a favor and get on the same page.

If you still think Plum is scum after reviewing the discussion between Peaf, Han, and I, then fine. Fair enough. But until then, I implore you to just fully catch up.

Admittedly my read on Han has diminished a bit since I have been proven wrong about Sbell as well

Ulti is town.

Scum Ulti attacking me like this is nonsensical. It isn't a lynch that is going to go anywhere and it draws a spotlight straight to him. Doesn't make sense for scum Ulti to do this.

htaeD posted...

Admittedly my read on Han has diminished a bit since I have been proven wrong about Sbell as well

Which is totally sensible.

But then again, the whole "SBell said we're not touching Han means Han has to be Scum" is such a trash argument that Ben I think claimed Scum when he said it.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why are you so content to let Ulti do the work when you're not applying any pressure, yourself?

I was under the impression that I listed Kirby as one of my top suspects at the moment and was pressuring Kirby for discrediting Ulti instead of engaging with him.

Kirby321 posted...

But we've got 8.5 hours until day end and I don't think there's any consensus on who is getting lynched. To avoid a B8 special, I petition that we make Ben claim (or JC if y'all would prefer that).

I feel like we need something to focus on so we can narrow down the otherwise wide lynch pool.

I want to claim before JC, if it ever comes to it

But that reminds me of another lastgame connection I havent looked at too much yet...

Han, do you feel that Edumey is different this game?

PunishedBen posted...

I want to claim before JC, if it ever comes to it

I typoed. Meant to say AFTER >_>

Too late, cant take it back now!

Do you have a particular reason for wanting to claim after JC, Ben?

Also, you and I have had a lot of discussion. Mostly me attacking you... but are you still neutral on me? Do you really have no opinion on my alignment?

EDumey posted...

I was under the impression that I listed Kirby as one of my top suspects at the moment and was pressuring Kirby for discrediting Ulti instead of engaging with him.

What is there to engage with Ulti? I literally called him out for not engaging with anyone unless he's defending himself. He's otherwise in his own world and calling people scum and town left and right without much explanation.

Could you summarize why Ulti thinks Sultan is scum, for instance?

I can't think of any possible reason Ben would want to claim after JC given that he is not currently voting JC

That being said, my intent is not to say Ulti is scum.

I'm saying that if he's town, there are more productive ways to scumhunt. Half of Mafia is deduction, the other half is persuasion and debate.

Nah

##Unvote
##Vote:Ben

Ben doesn't get to just waltz in here saying he isn't claiming before JC before just flying into the sunset

Why would Plum go so hard after sultan if they were scummates?

Kirby321 posted...

What is there to engage with Ulti? I literally called him out for not engaging with anyone unless he's defending himself. He's otherwise in his own world and calling people scum and town left and right without much explanation.

Could you summarize why Ulti thinks Sultan is scum, for instance?

Han is finding plenty to engage with at the moment.

I'm not sure why I have to summarize Ulti's thoughts on a player for you, when they're literally right there for you to read if you were willing to engage with them. Ulti at latest said that Sultan had bad posts in Topic 1 and then is acting too scared and concerned with how his actions are perceived. Who else has called out Sultan for being too concerned with his image, instead of players just going , "oh Sultan, silly guy not remembering what he's already replied to!"

Kirby321 posted...

I hate that I have to reexplain this, but I literally had the same argument as you, Ulti. And we discussed that thoroughly. If you're town, Ulti, you'd do us all a favor and get on the same page.

If you still think Plum is scum after reviewing the discussion between Peaf, Han, and I, then fine. Fair enough. But until then, I implore you to just fully catch up.

Like, I'm struggling to understand from a town perspective, why you would be UPSET that a player is coming to the same conclusions as you independently. If he ends up changing his mind once he catches up, great, but it would ostensibly show that he was looking at things from a town perspective as he analyzed, wouldn't it? Especially considering:

Kirby321 posted...

That being said, my intent is not to say Ulti is scum.

Then why discredit? I feel it is ironic here that I want to also caveat that my intent is not to say Ulti is town here. I am not defending his takes, I'm finding issue with you seeming to actively discredit his catch-up. I think Lopen said it last game. Town doesn't seek to discredit players, they seek to correct player's misinformation. Scum seeks to discredit players when they can't argue with the information.

htaeD posted...

But that reminds me of another lastgame connection I havent looked at too much yet...

Han, do you feel that Edumey is different this game?

I don't feel like I can really answer that question. My memory can't really recall the details and such.

Nothing changed, and I wasn't calling you out. I was answering your question with your own statement.

I will say, Ulti doing that full analysis and ending on Ben after it all is a little jarring lol

I am surprised that he ended with a positive on JC. I'm not sure I believe Ulti when he says he has kept up with Day 2.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Which is totally sensible.

But then again, the whole "SBell said we're not touching Han means Han has to be Scum" is such a trash argument that Ben I think claimed Scum when he said it.

It's not that. It's that YOU said Sbell was town at the same time he said you were, and for reasons that were just as vague as Sbell's reasons to believe you were town. That was my visceral reaction to seeing Sbell flip scum

I think your first post of day 2 was the first time you said you could be wrong about him. Which i will count in your favor because I don't think you would have had time to say all that unless it was planned before Sbell blew up

PunishedBen posted...

It's not that. It's that YOU said Sbell was town at the same time he said you were, and for reasons that were just as vague as Sbell's reasons to believe you were town. That was my visceral reaction to seeing Sbell flip scum

I think your first post of day 2 was the first time you said you could be wrong about him. Which i will count in your favor because I don't think you would have had time to say all that unless it was planned before Sbell blew up

To be fair, scum han wouldn't have known that sbell was blown up until the rest of us figured it out, too. So I'm not counting that in han's favor.
Han is town for other reasons, but i don't think your statement checks out.

Ben, why do you want JC to claim before you?

Peace___Frog posted...

To be fair, scum han wouldn't have known that sbell was blown up until the rest of us figured it out, too. So I'm not counting that in han's favor.
Han is town for other reasons, but i don't think your statement checks out.

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't think he had time to add the Sbell caveats/suspicion into the post AFTER seeing Sbell blew up. Same as you

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ben, why do you want JC to claim before you?

Well answering that would require him to claim wouldn't it

*Grabs Popcorn*

Sounds more like a sametime situation

@themboth

good time for me to roll out of bed i suppose. the only info that ben could possibly have on me is a track given that i'm town.

i claim town power

who did i visit last night ben?

Ben I also want you say 'why JC' when it happens

and i am fine with full claiming but i only did a partial claim to see if ben can actually show something justifying his weird 'make jc claim first' position

You could have sametimed that part too yaknow?