Poll of the Day > Wal-Mart is a horrible place to work.

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Cotton_Eye_Joe
12/22/22 7:41:13 PM
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Don't work there

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faramir77
12/22/22 7:43:37 PM
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Yeah but think about how they have to come in half an hour early to do a morale boosting corporate mandated employee dance sessions

What you lose in wages, social respect, and basic dignity by working there you gain in knowing that you get to boogie down at 6:30am instead of getting an extra half hour of sleep.

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rjsilverthorn
12/22/22 7:58:09 PM
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I mean it is retail, that pretty much goes without saying.
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Dikitain
12/22/22 9:01:33 PM
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I always considered a retail job to be akin to prison torture. How it hasn't been banned by the Geneva contention yet is beyond me.

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VincentVega
12/22/22 9:13:01 PM
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Best advice is not to work hard. Hard work gets you more work at Walmart.

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wolfy42
12/22/22 9:18:01 PM
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VincentVega posted...
Best advice is not to work hard. Hard work gets you more work at Walmart.


Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.

I worked for about 40 years, and the worst jobs I ever had were the ones with nothing to do, where you just had to stand around and wait.

More work means time goes by faster and the day is done before you know it.

Hard work + more work means others will notice and want you to work for them.

I worked at Sears back in the early 2000's (like 2001), and constantly walked around to help customers etc, I ended up getting a management position offered to me from another store because of how hard I worked and how well I dealt with customers. People notice, not just the ones you work for, but customers etc.

Hard work is it's own reward, it's true, but it also usually leads to additional rewards, and if it doesn't eventually you can find another job where it does, and you have all that experience to bring with you.

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JOExHIGASHI
12/22/22 10:45:13 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
Hard work + more work means others will notice and want you to work for them.
false

wolfy42 posted...
Hard work is it's own reward
I suppose that's one way to look at it

wolfy42 posted...
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.
Because Walmart doesn't pay enough to deserve your full effort.

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VampireCoyote
12/23/22 12:53:26 AM
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I worked there for a few months around a decade ago. It was a very depressing atmosphere.

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BlackScythe0
12/23/22 1:01:07 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.

I worked for about 40 years, and the worst jobs I ever had were the ones with nothing to do, where you just had to stand around and wait.

More work means time goes by faster and the day is done before you know it.

Hard work + more work means others will notice and want you to work for them.

I worked at Sears back in the early 2000's (like 2001), and constantly walked around to help customers etc, I ended up getting a management position offered to me from another store because of how hard I worked and how well I dealt with customers. People notice, not just the ones you work for, but customers etc.

Hard work is it's own reward, it's true, but it also usually leads to additional rewards, and if it doesn't eventually you can find another job where it does, and you have all that experience to bring with you.

I worked at walmart for 2 years. By the time I quit I was doing work by myself that 3 people were doing when I started. I didn't go from having nothing to do to entertained. I went from having a full night of work to breaking my back lifting stuff I shouldn't be lifting by myself.

I didn't feel rewarded, it's not true and I didn't get additional rewards.
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Count_Drachma
12/23/22 2:47:15 AM
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Most retailers are horrible places to work, but they're still better than most food service places. And, honestly, at least those jobs can keep you busy. Boring jobs are what really sucks.

The worst job from a satisfaction perspective has to be retail sales since you can go a day without seeing a customer where you effectively came in for nothing because that empty day counts against your draw -- basically, it's a vacation day that you worked. Oh, and by the way, most retail sales jobs *don't* have actual vacation days either because you're in the hole for the commission for that day anyway. Retail sales combines the the worst aspects of retail and sales. Doubly so because the jobs often require uncompensated work and you frequently work 6-7 days a week if you're just doing retail sales. Personally, when I've done retail sales, I've usually worked a normal white collar job on weekdays (40-50 hours) and then did the sales stuff on Saturday/Sundays when the stores were busier anyway. There were weekends where I'd clear $1.5k and that was ON TOP of what I was earning from my normal weekday job. However, the few times I'd just done retail sales, it was fucking garbage because weekdays were the shit since I'd see 0-2 customers and my weekday take generally wasn't worth the time. But, beyond that, even if you work the lowliest normal retail job, you work a day, you get paid for a day. Retail sales you effectively don't get paid unless you sell for that day (since it counts against you)


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wolfy42
12/23/22 5:07:48 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
The worst job from a satisfaction perspective has to be retail sales

I mentioned working for sears above, I didn't mention that the first sears I worked at was in Vancouver WA and there were no customers. I worked in the TV department and nobody would buy tv's there since a 10 min drive would give you a TV with no sales tax. It was the worst job I ever did. We were all on permanent draw, so even if we ever did sell something, we got no commision for it.

I transfered back to CA (hayward) and instantly was making 19+$/hr average (Versus $6 in Vancouver). That is where I got scalped by Sam Goody as a manager etc.

I worked fast food (Carl's Jnr) graveyard, and tons of other jobs, but the worst was that safeway. You literally just stood there all day waiting for a customer, it was hell for me.

I have some weird condition, which was much worse when I was younger, that requires me to be constantly active. I always had a book with me even when eating out etc. I SHOULD have brought a book or portable game to that sears but I never thought of it (didn't think you could do that while working). Now adays it's common for people to use devices etc at work, but this was over 20 years ago and it just wasn't done.

God I hated that job. When I transfered to Hayward I was so happy to have things to do/people to help lol.

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rexcrk
12/23/22 6:48:21 AM
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Any retail is horrible to work at.

I cant say for sure (though Ive lately been thinking of going to a therapist to discuss this) but I think working at a grocery store really fucked me up mentally. That shit isnt like on TV or in movies where theyre being silly with their coworkers or hooking up and stuff. Its a lot of physical and mental stress (I would even say abuse).


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TheGuiltySpark
12/23/22 7:43:31 AM
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VincentVega posted...
Best advice is not to work hard. Hard work gets you more work at Walmart.


I'll never embrace this idea of "I'm only going to work x% of my total output capacity because I personally think that is how much their pay per hour is worth."
Like, it's your job. You were given the job description and told how much you were getting paid before you ever punched in for your first shift.

I believe a lot of it has to do with it being an accountability and mindset thing... I'll forever thank my dad for drilling it into my head. Because of him and I won't allow myself to do a shit job at work because I'm not willing to sign my name to something of poor quality. If I'm going to do something, especially where other people are depending on me to perform - then I'm giving it full effort.

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dioxxys
12/23/22 8:27:48 AM
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Dunno why everyone talks crap about Walmart.

I worked at walmart for over 2 years. Its was one of my favorite jobs ever. Not only did they pay way above minimum wage, but I never had a boss looking over my shoulder. I have always worked a bit slower then average and it was never a problem. I pretty much set forth my own tasks and just peacefully stocked shelves in peace. Great place for people in their 20s to work as their were many people my age then. Ages ranged from 18-60. I met people from USA, Jamaica, Russia and Mexico. Many guys were there were into PC gaming too.

Only complaint I have is they dont value good workers and religiously follow corporate law. I got fired because they switched over how sick time and PTO worked. And oh golly~! you gotta reearn all your sick days, we dont care if you got unlucky and got sick for 3 weeks!
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JOExHIGASHI
12/23/22 9:14:11 AM
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dioxxys posted...
Only complaint I have is they dont value good workers and religiously follow corporate law. I got fired because they switched over how sick time and PTO worked. And oh golly~! you gotta reearn all your sick days, we dont care if you got unlucky and got sick for 3 weeks!
It's your favorite place to work despite them firing you because you were in a time of need?

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ArvTheGreat
12/23/22 10:11:44 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.

I worked for about 40 years, and the worst jobs I ever had were the ones with nothing to do, where you just had to stand around and wait.

More work means time goes by faster and the day is done before you know it.

Hard work + more work means others will notice and want you to work for them.

I worked at Sears back in the early 2000's (like 2001), and constantly walked around to help customers etc, I ended up getting a management position offered to me from another store because of how hard I worked and how well I dealt with customers. People notice, not just the ones you work for, but customers etc.

Hard work is it's own reward, it's true, but it also usually leads to additional rewards, and if it doesn't eventually you can find another job where it does, and you have all that experience to bring with you.
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SinisterSlay
12/23/22 10:20:54 AM
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I worked at Walmart 1 day.
Quit immediately at the end of the day.

Focused harder in becoming a computer programmer instead

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dioxxys
12/23/22 11:07:20 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
It's your favorite place to work despite them firing you because you were in a time of need?
Walmart is a Eiffel tower of management.

Theres such a long chain of command, its not really "up to" any bosses in the store I worked.
They just have to follow rules or they probably get axed too. My store changed store managers several times because they "didnt meet expectations".
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JOExHIGASHI
12/23/22 11:10:52 AM
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dioxxys posted...
Walmart is a Eiffel tower of management.

Theres such a long chain of command, its not really "up to" any bosses in the store I worked.
They just have to follow rules or they probably get axed too. My store changed store managers several times because they "didnt meet expectations".
Still sounds like a terrible company

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accord
12/23/22 11:22:26 AM
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do you get paid for the morale boosting shit in the morning?
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BeerOnTap
12/23/22 11:25:42 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.

I worked for about 40 years, and the worst jobs I ever had were the ones with nothing to do, where you just had to stand around and wait.

More work means time goes by faster and the day is done before you know it.

Hard work + more work means others will notice and want you to work for them.

I worked at Sears back in the early 2000's (like 2001), and constantly walked around to help customers etc, I ended up getting a management position offered to me from another store because of how hard I worked and how well I dealt with customers. People notice, not just the ones you work for, but customers etc.

Hard work is it's own reward, it's true, but it also usually leads to additional rewards, and if it doesn't eventually you can find another job where it does, and you have all that experience to bring with you.

This is a very good point. But itll fall on deaf ears here at best, and be excoriated at worst.
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dioxxys
12/23/22 11:34:00 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Still sounds like a terrible company
True, wouldnt advise trying to climb the ladder but its a great entry level job that gives above average wages plus yearly bonuses (post pandemic the wage at my store is now $17 which is huge for NC) , low stress (unless you are a manager), great place to meet people who are from other countries, and a convenient place to ensure you never have to go out shopping for anything (plus discount card).

But yeah they are an evil company who makes its employees work on Thanksgiving because they decided thats when Black Friday is. Sam Walton probably is rolling in his grave.

accord posted...
do you get paid for the morale boosting shit in the morning?
Knowing Walmart they most definitely do, they are very strict about procedure, rules and legality. Theres no way they dont pay them. At least thats my guess, they didnt do that when I was there. Hey but they did also give us a stretch regiment to do in training that no one does XD. They give you x2 15minute breaks which are paid but make you do an hour break for lunch if you work 8 hours.
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Sega9599
12/23/22 11:52:22 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Because Walmart doesn't pay enough to deserve your full effort.

How much should they pay? $50 an hour?

Dikitain posted...
I always considered a retail job to be akin to prison torture. How it hasn't been banned by the Geneva contention yet is beyond me.

Hyperbole is such fun

TheGuiltySpark posted...
I believe a lot of it has to do with it being an accountability and mindset thing... I'll forever thank my dad for drilling it into my head. Because of him and I won't allow myself to do a s*** job at work because I'm not willing to sign my name to something of poor quality. If I'm going to do something, especially where other people are depending on me to perform - then I'm giving it full effort.

Thats so stupid here. You should do as little as possible, minimize effort in retail jobs. They're braindead. And evil corporations. And they deserve no respect.

Eh? Do a good job for your fellow employees and the customers? Those guys are SUCKERS! Next you'll tell me to prepare food with care if you work in fast food!!!


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SoreChasm
12/23/22 12:04:41 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
This is a very good point. But itll fall on deaf ears here at best, and be excoriated at worst.
Speaking of deaf ears, why do you keep refusing to acknowledge that you were spreading false news during that incident with Pelosi's husband?

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demonfang178
12/23/22 12:16:46 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.

I worked for about 40 years, and the worst jobs I ever had were the ones with nothing to do, where you just had to stand around and wait.

People generally want to have the energy to do stuff after they've been on their feet for 8 -12 hours. I am willing to bet cell phones and wifi weren't a thing for the majority of those 40 years so you didn't have an easy way to entertain yourself.
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SoreChasm
12/23/22 12:20:36 PM
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Sega9599 posted...
How much should they pay? $50 an hour?

Sega9599 posted...
Hyperbole is such fun


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adjl
12/23/22 12:50:53 PM
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TheGuiltySpark posted...
I'll never embrace this idea of "I'm only going to work x% of my total output capacity because I personally think that is how much their pay per hour is worth."
Like, it's your job. You were given the job description and told how much you were getting paid before you ever punched in for your first shift.

I believe a lot of it has to do with it being an accountability and mindset thing... I'll forever thank my dad for drilling it into my head. Because of him and I won't allow myself to do a shit job at work because I'm not willing to sign my name to something of poor quality. If I'm going to do something, especially where other people are depending on me to perform - then I'm giving it full effort.

Even putting aside how often the actual work ends up significantly exceeding the job description you were given upon starting (whether because you end up picking up others' slack, you get extra duties because your manager thinks you can handle them, or the job description just wasn't written well), taking a job like Walmart is very rarely a matter of "I've decided this job and wage are worth my effort and dedication." It's much more commonly a matter of "I need money and this is the best/only opportunity I've got right now, so I'll put up with it while I work toward something better." They're not an employer that particularly cares about or tries to earn employees' respect, so why should employees respect them?

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ArvTheGreat
12/23/22 2:48:07 PM
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Its hard kids dont have any self motivation unless they are told to do specific tasks else theyll spend their time on their phones sitting on the clock while theres work to do. Theres a time during the day for certain goofing off or whatever but kids with their phones put it to a whole new level Arv doesnt know how many times he has to tell kids to do the same repeated job. Its one throng to look at your phone once in awhile but shit kids and adults cant be a second without it especially when they are driving.

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ArvTheGreat
12/23/22 2:48:38 PM
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And this is probably comming from the same people who use to yell at kids back in the day for spending more than an hour on the computer

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Sega9599
12/23/22 5:34:31 PM
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adjl posted...
They're not an employer that particularly cares about or tries to earn employees' respect, so why should employees respect them?

That kind of attitude ensures poor customer service. - "i know we got more in the back, but i can't be bothered and besides, it's walmart!" , bored look, no interaction
Lack of care with goods - slam boxes with tvs down, damaging them ensuring customer gotta come back, placing things in wrong place
Lack of personal hygiene - not washing hands, wiping nose on back of sleeve,

I mean, that kind of employee who isn't even going to pretend to care isnt someone you want working in your business anyway. I know there are some who make the job their life: that's not mandatory, but in this front end customer service job, I expect a somewhat decent experience as a customer, and all these things affect that experience.


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acesxhigh
12/23/22 5:37:50 PM
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Dikitain posted...
I always considered a retail job to be akin to prison torture. How it hasn't been banned by the Geneva contention yet is beyond me.
in general I'm sure it sucks. but when I worked at subway dealing with customers non stop for 6 hours I would have liked to just stock shelves for a living sometimes
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bo_danvers
12/23/22 6:37:37 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad thing.

I worked for about 40 years, and the worst jobs I ever had were the ones with nothing to do, where you just had to stand around and wait.

More work means time goes by faster and the day is done before you know it.

So much this. Jobs where you are looking for things to do are the worst.
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Count_Drachma
12/24/22 5:55:29 PM
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adjl posted...
Even putting aside how often the actual work ends up significantly exceeding the job description you were given upon starting (whether because you end up picking up others' slack, you get extra duties because your manager thinks you can handle them, or the job description just wasn't written well), taking a job like Walmart is very rarely a matter of "I've decided this job and wage are worth my effort and dedication." It's much more commonly a matter of "I need money and this is the best/only opportunity I've got right now, so I'll put up with it while I work toward something better." They're not an employer that particularly cares about or tries to earn employees' respect, so why should employees respect them?

lolwut? You've generally described working in general. Unless you're running a company, 90% of the time it's the best for now because most people always want more (unless they're living on the dole or something), either from that company or finding a different company. However, even when I worked for fucking terrible companies, I still tried to do my best because there are guys like me who give a shit and people who'll always just try to coast by. And the people who give a shit tend to have much better outcomes than those who don't.

And unfortunately, the USA -- from the government to entertainment -- has villainized the idea of hard work, which part of the reason why the US has been slipping. Within the next hundred years, I fully expect the US will be overtaken by any of the nations that value hard work.


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Hard_Light
12/24/22 5:57:07 PM
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zeus outing himself hard with where he gets his news after claiming that the us has villainized hard work lmfao

that's oann talking points you're parroting bud

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Count_Drachma
12/24/22 7:49:10 PM
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Hard_Light posted...
zeus outing himself hard with where he gets his news after claiming that the us has villainized hard work lmfao

that's oann talking points you're parroting bud

Anonymous guy trolling with bullshit claims because he somehow thinks people realizing that hard work has been villainized is in some way a unique observation when you literally had decades of movies doing that and politicians have railed against the expectation that people work. But keep outing the fact you pay zero attention to the world.

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rexcrk
12/25/22 6:03:44 AM
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Hard_Light posted...
zeus


Ohhhh that explains so much lmao


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rexcrk
12/26/22 8:02:15 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
Anonymous guy trolling with bullshit claims because he somehow thinks people realizing that hard work has been villainized is in some way a unique observation when you literally had decades of movies doing that and politicians have railed against the expectation that people work. But keep outing the fact you pay zero attention to the world.


The thing that people like you (or this online character that you play) dont understand is that its not about not wanting to work. Its about not wanting to spend your life slaving away for what amounts to very little.

Not everyone gets opportunities in life. Sometimes you get dealt a bad hand and have to make the best of it. Im a very hard worker but because I didnt really have choices or opportunities, Ive never been able to get a job where that hard work actually paid off.

Now I know that you have a work fetish (or at least pretend to for your online persona) and maybe you like living to work. But not everyone does.


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pvegeta
12/26/22 9:19:56 AM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Don't work there

Sounds like you need a pizza party! We're all family here.

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Hard_Light
12/26/22 9:50:28 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
Anonymous guy trolling with bullshit claims because he somehow thinks people realizing that hard work has been villainized is in some way a unique observation when you literally had decades of movies doing that and politicians have railed against the expectation that people work. But keep outing the fact you pay zero attention to the world.
keep watching oann, it's extremely blatant that that's all you do given these talking points you keep parroting lmao

here's a revelation for you: people want to work

working hasn't been villainized, low pay and shit working conditions are what's been villainized. however, the right doesn't like this and has been trying for decades to convince people that everyone else is actually lazy and don't want to work.

all you have to do is go outside to see this, but youve not only taken their bait, but you consumed enough of it now that your personality isn't even real. it's manufactured because you can't think for yourself

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rexcrk
12/27/22 7:54:38 AM
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Hard_Light posted...
keep watching oann, it's extremely blatant that that's all you do given these talking points you keep parroting lmao

here's a revelation for you: people want to work

working hasn't been villainized, low pay and shit working conditions are what's been villainized. however, the right doesn't like this and has been trying for decades to convince people that everyone else is actually lazy and don't want to work.

all you have to do is go outside to see this, but youve not only taken their bait, but you consumed enough of it now that your personality isn't even real. it's manufactured because you can't think for yourself


I get the feeling he saw this post but cant think of a clever comeback but is too proud to admit he was wrong lmao


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BUMPED2002
12/27/22 9:20:29 AM
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Most places in the US especially hourly paid places are a nightmare.

Kia and Hyundai in Alabama were hit recently with charges of violating child labor laws. Apparently they had hired "unbeknownst to them" of course, 12, 13, and 14 year old undocumented kids from Guatemala.

A Chick-fil-A in North Carolina has been fined $6,450 for paying workers with meals instead of money and violating child labor laws according to the Dept Of Labor.

These stuff is becoming more and more prevalent as is wage theft among hourly paid employees.

Employers who pulled these sort of stunts are the employers who rail against labor unions because without anyone overseeing their business, they can abuse employees usually hourly paid employees who are the most vulnerable in a pure capitalistic economic system.


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ANAKAfire
12/27/22 10:56:06 AM
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Encounter any Walmart furries yet?

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Cruddy_horse
12/27/22 1:38:07 PM
#43:


ANAKAfire posted...
Encounter any Walmart furries yet?

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dioxxys
12/27/22 10:28:22 PM
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ANAKAfire posted...
Encounter any Walmart furries yet?
No furries but I did meet a customer once who was legitimately insane about Apple and treated it like his religion even though they fired him.

That was one of the most awkward conversations I've had with a customer. We were taught to be polite to customers but the guy just kept wanting to talk and the more I talked to him the more I realized how batshit and crazy he was.

At one point he showed me like this card with an Apple mission statement on it and I thought he was handing it out to me so I put it in my back pocket while we were talking. Turns out the guy treated it like smeagol treats the ring of power. Guy absolutely almost lost it when he found out it was missing.
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Wetstew
12/27/22 11:13:16 PM
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I worked at one for 13 years. Really regret spending my twenties at a job I loathed for bad pay.

Got hurt last Christmas, my manager's stooge texted me "you put us in an awkward position" when I was barely able to move out of bed because I was having to do like six people's work.

Working hard at walmart just makes management able to put more work on you for the same pay and with *zero* respect and job security.

I'm now doing housekeeping at a nearby hospital. Walking in I was already paid more with better benefits and a far less toxic workplace.

Corporations shouldn't exist the way they do now.

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Arcturusisnow
12/28/22 11:49:56 PM
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Sega9599 posted...
How much should they pay? $50 an hour?

Hyperbole is such fun

Thats so stupid here. You should do as little as possible, minimize effort in retail jobs. They're braindead. And evil corporations. And they deserve no respect.

Eh? Do a good job for your fellow employees and the customers? Those guys are SUCKERS! Next you'll tell me to prepare food with care if you work in fast food!!!
Well, if we are talking about a wage that a normal person can live on by themselves without any assistance then that would $25/hour.
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Arcturusisnow
12/28/22 11:56:33 PM
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Sega9599 posted...
That kind of attitude ensures poor customer service. - "i know we got more in the back, but i can't be bothered and besides, it's walmart!" , bored look, no interaction
Lack of care with goods - slam boxes with tvs down, damaging them ensuring customer gotta come back, placing things in wrong place
Lack of personal hygiene - not washing hands, wiping nose on back of sleeve,

I mean, that kind of employee who isn't even going to pretend to care isnt someone you want working in your business anyway. I know there are some who make the job their life: that's not mandatory, but in this front end customer service job, I expect a somewhat decent experience as a customer, and all these things affect that experience.
Respect starts with the Company respecting the Employee not vice versa. Get that through your thick skull, dip****.
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WorstOfAll
12/28/22 11:58:07 PM
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Work is a horrible place to work. Fuck all of that

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Krow_Incarnate
12/29/22 12:53:00 AM
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Sega9599 posted...
That kind of attitude ensures poor customer service. - "i know we got more in the back, but i can't be bothered and besides, it's walmart!" , bored look, no interaction
Lack of care with goods - slam boxes with tvs down, damaging them ensuring customer gotta come back, placing things in wrong place
Lack of personal hygiene - not washing hands, wiping nose on back of sleeve,

I mean, that kind of employee who isn't even going to pretend to care isnt someone you want working in your business anyway. I know there are some who make the job their life: that's not mandatory, but in this front end customer service job, I expect a somewhat decent experience as a customer, and all these things affect that experience.
Oh fucking no

In the words of Jim Cornette, my asshole bleeds for you and these billion dollar corporations who thrive on exploitation.

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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
12/29/22 5:29:54 PM
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faramir77 posted...
Yeah but think about how they have to come in half an hour early to do a morale boosting corporate mandated employee dance sessions

What you lose in wages, social respect, and basic dignity by working there you gain in knowing that you get to boogie down at 6:30am instead of getting an extra half hour of sleep.
I've worked at Walmart for 24 years. We haven't done that at my store in at least 22.

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