Current Events > George RR Martin is '500' pages away from completing Winds of Winter

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LightningAce11
12/08/22 6:18:13 PM
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By now, fans of George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire books the novels adapted into the HBO Max series Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon are used to mildly exhausting updates on his progress on the 11-years-overdue next novel in the series, The Winds of Winter. An episode of the Comedy Central series Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News has the latest from Martin, who says sounding fairly sincere about it that he's written around 1,100 to 1,200 pages of the book so far, and just has "another 400, 500 pages" to go.

In this exclusive clip from Martin's episode of the show, scheduled to air after The Daily Show on Dec. 7 at 11:45 p.m. EST, animated host Dr. Ike Bloom (voiced by Inspector Ike's Ikechukwu Ufomadu) takes Martin to task, calling him "a struggling writer let me revise that, truly pathetic who is having trouble meeting deadlines." He calls up hyper-prolific crime writer James Patterson, asking him for advice about how Martin can turn his work around faster.

Patterson first asks how far past his deadline Martin is, and seems taken aback to hear how long the book has been delayed. He suggests that Martin has "writer's constipation," and advises him to change up his writing methods, in terms of still using a DOS computer and the WordStar word processor: "Try something else, then, 'cause that's not working."

https://www.polygon.com/game-of-thrones/23499159/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-finish-release-date-pages

Why did it need to be so long?

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Irony
12/08/22 6:19:12 PM
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He hasn't started it. He needs to shut the fuck up

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Funkydog
12/08/22 6:19:40 PM
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So a few years out then?

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Doom_Art
12/08/22 6:20:26 PM
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Just give me something for the pain and let me die

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DeadBankerDream
12/08/22 6:21:34 PM
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I can't tell if I'm having a comedic cartoon skit described to me or if it's an actual interview.

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Ikzai
12/08/22 6:21:36 PM
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he should stop giving these status updates.

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Noumas
12/08/22 6:21:58 PM
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Loool I love these little bait-like, carrots on a stick updates he does whenever his publicist tells him he needs to drum up hype for some accompanying feature eg that new house of dragon show

It's marketing 101
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Nacen
12/08/22 6:25:22 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
writer's constipation


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Ryven
12/08/22 6:29:23 PM
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Aka he's paying someone else to write it after them signing a form saying he gets all the credit.

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Bad_Mojo
12/08/22 6:30:06 PM
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He's got to be trolling

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s0nicfan
12/08/22 6:32:21 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
He's got to be trolling

i don't think he's trolling. I think he realizes his time in the spotlight is over and with it all those sweet perks (invites to be a guest speaker at major events, tons of attention at the HUGOs, etc). So instead he finds some excuse to say something about his book on a somewhat regular basis so that his name and his series stay in the public consciousness. It's desperation. Ironically, if he had the same level of rigor in writing as he does talking to people about his books... his books would be done.

Eventually, people will stop picking up the phone and/or calling him to talk about his books, and that will be the last anyone hears of him until his obituary.

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BloodMoon7
12/08/22 6:33:05 PM
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He's actually taking so long to write it because he's cursed by the writing gods. As soon as he finishes writing the book, the writing gods will slurp him up and he'll go *poof*

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StormSignal
12/08/22 6:33:41 PM
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how many more years is that

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SomeLikeItHoth
12/08/22 6:35:32 PM
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StormSignal posted...
how many more years is that
10 more.

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Irony
12/08/22 6:36:12 PM
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This dude is fat and 74 years old you're crazy if you think he'll be alive in 10 years

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Tyranthraxus
12/08/22 6:39:17 PM
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a fucking 1600 page book? god damn that's gonna be thick.

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Alucard188
12/08/22 6:40:02 PM
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lolok

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EndOfDiscOne
12/08/22 6:40:54 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
a fucking 1600 page book? god damn that's gonna be thick.
manuscript pages. It will be shorter in final form.

1600 pages shorter lol

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CARRRNE_ASADA
12/08/22 6:47:14 PM
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Ok hes never finishing it now. And there was supposed to be another book after this one, and with so many lingering plot lines I think its needed. The story is larger than in the show, with the introduction of the faux targaryen being added to the list of would be kings. I remember the plot being hated back when the book came out cause it came out of nowhere and too late at this stage of the story.

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EndOfDiscOne
12/08/22 7:08:11 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Ok hes never finishing it now. And there was supposed to be another book after this one, and with so many lingering plot lines I think its needed. The story is larger than in the show, with the introduction of the faux targaryen being added to the list of would be kings. I remember the plot being hated back when the book came out cause it came out of nowhere and too late at this stage of the story.
That was actually my favorite part of the book, because at the time I thought he was legit. Now, yeah it prob was a waste of pages.

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Letron_James
12/08/22 7:08:37 PM
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Sure thing George

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Gobstoppers12
12/08/22 7:11:20 PM
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Bruh why wouldn't he just split it into two parts at this point, it has gotten ridiculous.

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DarthAragorn
12/08/22 7:16:13 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Bruh why wouldn't he just split it into two parts at this point, it has gotten ridiculous.
because he did that with the last book and those plotlines still don't have endings

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KainWind
12/08/22 7:18:18 PM
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Wasn't he super impressed that Stephen King writes a few pages per day or something? We're definitely years off.

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radical_rhino
12/08/22 7:22:02 PM
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I had a couple of Wheel of Time books that were 1,000 pages and the binding could barely hold the pages together.

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Nirvanas_Nox
12/08/22 7:25:35 PM
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Guess we're never gonna get to finish the series then.

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Smashingpmkns
12/08/22 7:30:51 PM
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What if the book ends up being 500 pages long

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Mesiah21
12/08/22 7:33:23 PM
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How long has it been since the last book came out? I haven't read any of them, but I am guessing like 10 years at this point. So a minimum of 5 years if he is managing 100 pages a year.
I still wonder what will happen first, him finishing this book, or Rothfuss finishing the third book in his series.

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BB_mofo
12/08/22 7:38:46 PM
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The only way you'll see the book released is with Brandon Sanderson's name on the cover as co-author.

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DoesntMatter
12/08/22 7:42:49 PM
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BB_mofo posted...
The only way you'll see the book released is with Brandon Sanderson's name on the cover as co-author.
i don't understand why people say this. i think the only people who say this are people who have only read Brandon Sanderson's stuff and not ASoIaF. maybe they watched GoT. GRRM's and Sanderson's writing styles are very different. Sanderson doesn't even like ASoIaF and has no interest in writing it, much less reading it past the first book. and there would be absolutely no reason why GRRM would want someone like Sanderson to finish writing his books. Sanderson's beliefs and preferences on what he likes to write about make him a complete mismatch for such a proposition.

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CE_gonna_CE
12/08/22 7:43:26 PM
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And Im only 50 pounds above my goal weight and most definitely shedding all that here soon.

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KogaSteelfang
12/08/22 7:47:07 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
10 more.
That's still about 1 page per week. Seems a bit much at this point.

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ZangsBeard
12/08/22 7:47:17 PM
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Mesiah21 posted...
How long has it been since the last book came out? I haven't read any of them, but I am guessing like 10 years at this point. So a minimum of 5 years if he is managing 100 pages a year.
I still wonder what will happen first, him finishing this book, or Rothfuss finishing the third book in his series.

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dummy420
12/08/22 7:50:15 PM
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Just a reminder. He pulls out this and similar lies every few months to gen up interest in stuff he is actually doing. Your gonna see another one in a few months.

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StormSignal
12/08/22 7:55:05 PM
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g0ldie
12/08/22 7:58:28 PM
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even if true, and he finishes within a year or two (trying to be optimistic), isn't there also the editing and potential multiple drafts he might have to go through?


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Kim_Seong-a
12/08/22 8:08:39 PM
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dummy420 posted...
Just a reminder. He pulls out this and similar lies every few months to gen up interest in stuff he is actually doing. Your gonna see another one in a few months.

Every few months?

I feel like I see a new "Martin swears he's almost finished" topic every other week. >_>

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dummy420
12/08/22 8:32:15 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Every few months?

I feel like I see a new "Martin swears he's almost finished" topic every other week. >_>
Your probably right. Point is it happens often.

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Zikten
12/08/22 8:36:35 PM
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Nirvanas_Nox posted...
Guess we're never gonna get to finish the series then.
Someone will finish it after he dies. I think that happened with Wheel of Time or some other fantasy series. The wife wrote the last book I think
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EndOfDiscOne
12/08/22 8:39:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
Someone will finish it after he dies. I think that happened with Wheel of Time or some other fantasy series. The wife wrote the last book I think
Lol

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Zikten
12/08/22 8:40:48 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Lol
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KainWind
12/08/22 11:51:13 PM
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Zikten posted...
Unless he puts it in his will that nobody is allowed to finish it, it will happen

Are requests like that in a will legally binding? Why does he care if he's dead?

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Zikten
12/08/22 11:54:46 PM
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KainWind posted...
Are requests like that in a will legally binding? Why does he care if he's dead?
I dont know. But something like that happened with a murder mystery writer

Sue Grafton wrote a series about murders. Each book was titled like

A is for
B is for

I dont remember the actual words used. But you get the idea. She actually went through the alphabet doing that. And she died right after finishing Y is For. So she never wrote Z is For. And she apparently put in her will that nobody could ever finish the series. I dont know why she did that but she did.

It kinda is bullshit for anyone who was a fan of the series I think. Imagine reading them since the 80s and right at the end, you get screwed out of the finale
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KainWind
12/09/22 12:03:54 AM
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Yeah it's incredibly selfish and benefits nobody is why I was wondering.

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Cleo_II
12/09/22 12:07:06 AM
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DoesntMatter posted...
i don't understand why people say this. i think the only people who say this are people who have only read Brandon Sanderson's stuff and not ASoIaF. maybe they watched GoT. GRRM's and Sanderson's writing styles are very different. Sanderson doesn't even like ASoIaF and has no interest in writing it, much less reading it past the first book. and there would be absolutely no reason why GRRM would want someone like Sanderson to finish writing his books. Sanderson's beliefs and preferences on what he likes to write about make him a complete mismatch for such a proposition.
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BB_mofo
12/09/22 2:33:45 AM
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Cleo_II posted...
Yeah I love Sanderson but no way could he pick up GRRMs books. Completely different styles.

No, I mean the only way you'll get an ending to ASoIaF is the same way WoT fans got an ending to their series. It's going to be with some other writer relying on GRRM's notes after he dies.

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ArchNemo
12/09/22 2:55:39 AM
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KainWind posted...
Yeah it's incredibly selfish and benefits nobody is why I was wondering.

I think he said once if he dies he doesn't want anyone to carry it on and all his notes and work to be burned.

Which I guess is preferable to them trying to have someone carry it on only to realize what we all know: he hasn't been working on it and has no plan for another author to carry on.

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Zikten
12/09/22 2:58:11 AM
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Well then fuck him. He sounds selfish

This is that murder mystery lady all over again
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ManaYuka
12/09/22 4:24:53 AM
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ADWD was 1500 manuscript pages and he had to cut 200 pages to make it fit into the book.

If this one will be 1600-1700, books cant handle that many pages, there will have to be a part one and a part two. Which is why people are telling him to release the first part now(roughly 800-850) pages and the last part when its done.

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UnfairRepresent
12/09/22 4:33:32 AM
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"Fans" turning on Martin and being spiteful towards him for the evil crimes of

  1. Doing other projects
  2. Not churning out books fast enough
Will always be toxic.


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