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Shattered
05/08/23 7:56:03 AM
#351:


I don't understand the hate on She-Hulk, I genuinely enjoyed that show.
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colliding
05/08/23 9:01:40 AM
#353:


I feel like She-Hulk is basically middle of the pack in terms of D+ shows, better than Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, and FaWS. If you want to discuss character assassination, FaWS is by far the worst culprit of that.

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GuessMyUserName
05/08/23 1:40:18 PM
#355:


Hawkeye easily #1 but She-Hulk easily #2

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mnk
05/08/23 2:43:12 PM
#356:


Shattered posted...
I don't understand the hate on She-Hulk, I genuinely enjoyed that show.

It's the most predictable thing that a subset of people would be upset at the show that makes fun of that subset of people.

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XIII_Rocks
05/08/23 5:42:31 PM
#357:


She Hulk had some problems and a couple of dud episodes, but I mostly enjoyed it and Tatiana absolutely ruled. Fantastic job.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/08/23 6:01:40 PM
#358:


She-Hulk has some good stuff in it and I love Tatiana Maslany, but overall it's just filled with some of the worst directing in the MCU with embarrassingly bad action sequences and terrible editing, and the overarching plot kinda sucks. It felt like there was very little quality control in it.

Sometimes it felt like they nailed it, sometimes they felt like they missed the mark entirely with the tone of the show and what She-Hulk is, and I still don't have a sense they got to where they needed to for the character either.

And man, did the show just drag with the plot lines of her personal life and trying to find a boyfriend for what seemed like it went entirely too long. I just could not care about her struggles with her love life since they went on and on.

And the fact there was no real villain or anything hurts too, and then it just turns into that disaster in the last episode where they felt like they were a lot more clever than they actually were.

As a whole the show just doesn't feel good, and it feels like a real misstep where if they had more quality control it could have been a lot better than it was.

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colliding
05/08/23 7:02:09 PM
#359:


As someone who liked She-Hulk a fair amount, I think it is symptomatic of a larger problem with the MCU, which is that it is stretching itself too thin trying to expand what it means to be an "MCU production." All the Disney plus shows seem to be playing around with different genres (sitcom / hard sci-fi/ animation / young adult / parody). There's so much experimentation in Phase 4 that it feels like the franchise's identity is a bit lost.

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LeonhartFour
05/08/23 10:39:25 PM
#360:


She-Hulk was...fine, I guess? It felt kinda aimless in the middle.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/16/23 11:39:07 AM
#363:


Welp. Looks like the comics are going to try to make another character more like the MCU counterpart.

In the legendarily bad Spider-Man run right now, they randomly killed Ms. Marvel who was barely involved in the book at all. Just the most minor character. It's looking like she'll be revived by the X-Men and they'll do some voodoo to make her a mutant instead of an Inhuman. Her powers will probably end up more like the MCU because that's how comics do.

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MoogleKupo141
05/16/23 11:53:19 AM
#364:


have they re-retoconned Wanda and Pietro back into mutants yet

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/16/23 12:33:35 PM
#365:


I don't think so.

There was a big storyline about Wanda being outcasted from Krakoa, the mutant haven that has been going on far too long, because she was never a mutant, and her doing stuff that sets up the spoiler above to earn the respect of mutants again.

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redrocket
05/16/23 1:12:56 PM
#366:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
have they re-retoconned Wanda and Pietro back into mutants yet

Wait, what are they???

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JonThePenguin
05/16/23 1:16:08 PM
#367:


redrocket posted...
Wait, what are they???
A 2015 storyline revised Wanda's origin, establishing that her superhuman traits are entirely a result of experimentation done by the High Evolutionary and on inherited magic abilities. Like Franklin Richards and other characters, her genetics were such that standard X-gene tests gave a false positive, meaning she was never actually born a mutant.

The 20152017 Scarlet Witch series reveals Wanda and Pietro's adopted parents Django and Marya Maximoff are biologically their aunt and uncle. Their real mother is confirmed to be Natalya Maximoff, the previous Scarlet Witch, a sorceress whose father was the Scarlet Warlock.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/16/23 1:17:51 PM
#368:


redrocket posted...
Wait, what are they???
Results of the High Evolutionary experiments.

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redrocket
05/16/23 1:20:10 PM
#369:


Inherited Magic abilities

So a genetic predisposition to freaking magic doesnt count as a mutation

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lordjers
05/16/23 1:59:07 PM
#370:


redrocket posted...
Inherited Magic abilities

So a genetic predisposition to freaking magic doesnt count as a mutation

Nor does the genetic disposition of Spider-Man, Hulk, etc.

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mnk
05/16/23 6:26:58 PM
#371:


Loki returns October 6th, weekly. Echo drops all episodes on November 29th.

https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1658586461988605952

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Maniac64
05/16/23 6:36:59 PM
#372:


lordjers posted...
Nor does the genetic disposition of Spider-Man, Hulk, etc.
Only natural X-gene counts lol

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Seanchan
05/16/23 6:37:54 PM
#373:


Who's Echo again? The deaf lady from Hawkeye? Showing a lot of support just dumping all the episodes at once...

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Maniac64
05/16/23 6:38:54 PM
#374:


Seanchan posted...
Who's Echo again? The deaf lady from Hawkeye? Showing a lot of support just dumping all the episodes at once...
Yep...

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Grimlyn
05/16/23 6:43:11 PM
#375:


yeahhhh it's hard not to read the episode dump as anything but low expectations for the series

maybe they fear people will be impatient waiting for the Daredevil / Kingpin content. certainly was a thing with She-Hulk release complaining every episode for not bringing Matt

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Grand_Kirby
05/16/23 6:54:03 PM
#376:


You'd think with the Writer's Strike going on they'd hoard these things like water in a post-apocalyptic society. Only dispensing them out sporadically, only when necessary.

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Grimlyn
05/16/23 6:59:26 PM
#377:


still got Skeleton Crew to announce probably around the same time, so the back half of D+ looking a bit packed

kenobi & ms marvel part two

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Leonhart4
05/16/23 7:38:13 PM
#378:


I didn't even realize there was going to be an Echo series

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GANON1025
05/16/23 7:49:33 PM
#379:


For a second I thought, man, Echo from the Bad Batch is getting his own series?

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Grimlyn
05/17/23 10:40:00 AM
#380:


Quantumania on D+

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RuneterranSnap
05/17/23 10:41:26 AM
#381:


Grimlyn posted...
Quantumania on D+
Such a massively disappointing movie :(

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colliding
05/17/23 8:07:04 PM
#382:


yep quantumania is pretty bad. I thought people were exaggerating, but yeesh. makes me want them to completely throw out the kang plan, not even considering any of the real-life stuff with majors.

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Bitto
05/17/23 8:12:00 PM
#383:


I thought Quantumania was fine. Though, that scene where they get sucked into the Quantum Realm is some of the worst CGI I've seen in Marvel and I don't usually complain about CGI. Also, the editing in the first third of the movie (especially the part about eating the goo) is baffling.

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RuneterranSnap
05/17/23 8:32:23 PM
#384:


colliding posted...
yep quantumania is pretty bad. I thought people were exaggerating, but yeesh. makes me want them to completely throw out the kang plan, not even considering any of the real-life stuff with majors.
I agree. I did not love Kang.

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lordjers
05/17/23 8:43:11 PM
#385:


At least it's the best Ant-Man yet.

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GuessMyUserName
05/17/23 8:46:23 PM
#386:


I loved Kang's appearance in Loki, but Quantumania is literally just 2 hours of treating him like Poochie

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RuneterranSnap
05/17/23 8:47:53 PM
#387:


lordjers posted...
At least it's the best Ant-Man yet.
Hard disagree, I thought the first two were a lot of fun. They were light, simple movies and I look forward to them because of the break in the seriousness when I rewatch. Quantumania was just a mess that was not fun, was not epic, and I don't think even had a character arc let alone a good one.

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skullbone
05/17/23 8:57:42 PM
#388:


Yeah I kinda thought the emotional arc would be about Scott not getting to watch his daughter grow up and Kang offering him a deal with the devil to do that.

But no they glossed over Scott missing so much time with his daughter.

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mnk
05/17/23 9:01:27 PM
#389:


It's bad as an Ant-Man movie, but was largely fine for a Quantum Realm movie (well, if you ignore the part where doing Quantum Realm experiments was a-ok at the end of AM2 but suddenly a terrible dangerous idea in AM3). I was able to enjoy it for what it was.

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colliding
05/17/23 9:04:32 PM
#390:


lordjers posted...
At least it's the best Ant-Man yet.

yeah this is completely wrong. first one is great, second one is good for what they were aiming for (basically a cheesy action romcom). This one was straight garbo that took previously interesting characters and made them boring. The point about this not having an arc is dead on. Things just happen in this movie because they remind us of things that happened in other movies. Like I could not have given less of a **** about any of the quantum realm people.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/17/23 9:50:42 PM
#391:


I honestly thought Quantumania was fantastic, but I'm in the minority of people that love everything MCU. Like there has not been a project that I don't enjoy sitting down and watching.

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Leonhart4
05/17/23 9:54:37 PM
#392:


I liked Quantumania. Didn't think it was great, but I don't think any of the Ant-Man movies are great.

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ZenOfThunder
05/17/23 10:05:46 PM
#393:


Decided to do a ranking of the multiverse saga so far on sorta.app. Did not include Thor 4 because I couldnt get thru the first 15 minutes

https://sorta.app/q/1055/qhdokfenimagjpbc

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Loki
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
What If...?
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
Hawkeye
Ms. Marvel
WandaVision
Eternals
Moon Knight
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Black Widow

dang didnt realize I somehow had things other than black widow under eternals. What a fall from grace this phase has been

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redrocket
05/17/23 10:09:00 PM
#394:


Whats the cuttoff line for good there?

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lordjers
05/17/23 10:17:17 PM
#395:


colliding posted...
yeah this is completely wrong. first one is great, second one is good for what they were aiming for (basically a cheesy action romcom). This one was straight garbo that took previously interesting characters and made them boring. The point about this not having an arc is dead on. Things just happen in this movie because they remind us of things that happened in other movies. Like I could not have given less of a **** about any of the quantum realm people.

First two Ant-Mans were pretty middle of the road no excitement whatsoever films, and the 2nd one was specially bad. I can see how someone that liked those wasn't too much into the 3rd one cause it was so different, including a ninja retcon of the quantum realm. Quantumania also dialed down a lot of the humor, but what little was there actually landed, as opposed to the heist team humor of the others. The villains? First one had a boring hero but evil motif with the twist that he was kind of a loser, and Ghost I just wish they had stayed with the source material. Kang has been his most interesting villain yet, but I do reckon that MODOK was all sorts of terrible.

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redrocket
05/17/23 10:20:37 PM
#396:


lordjers posted...
Quantumania also dialed down a lot of the humor, but what little was there actually landed, as opposed to the heist team humor of the others.

Yes, he has seven holes, is peak humor. How did we not recognize this genius?

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Johnbobb
05/17/23 10:24:36 PM
#397:


ZenOfThunder posted...
Did not include Thor 4 because I couldnt get thru the first 15 minutes
but that's about how long thor 4 was good for

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GuessMyUserName
05/17/23 10:24:41 PM
#398:


as far as humour goes, one movie didn't have Luis

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lordjers
05/17/23 10:33:11 PM
#399:


redrocket posted...
Yes, he has seven wholes, is peak humor. How did we not recognize this genius?

And then Scott count them mentally to finally confirm that he was right. That was funny!

GuessMyUserName posted...
as far as humour goes, one movie didn't have Luis

Don't miss him.

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mnk
05/17/23 10:34:43 PM
#400:


redrocket posted...
Yes, he has seven wholes, is peak humor. How did we not recognize this genius?

Scott quietly counting how many holes he had was funny.

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