Poll of the Day > Why does reddit hate pugs?

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Lokchan
11/22/22 6:16:20 PM
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Pugs are the bestie doggos

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Jen0125
11/22/22 6:25:52 PM
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Probably because they're genetic nightmares and their quality of life is usually poor. They just shouldn't be continued to be bred.
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Lokarin
11/22/22 6:52:24 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Probably because they're genetic nightmares and their quality of life is usually poor. They just shouldn't be continued to be bred.

But they're the noblest and loyalest and huggablest and snugglest~!

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Ogurisama
11/22/22 6:55:40 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Probably because they're genetic nightmares and their quality of life is usually poor. They just shouldn't be continued to be bred.
Pretty much this, they are a very unhealthy breed.

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ZangsBeard
11/22/22 6:56:27 PM
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Lokarin posted...
But they're the noblest and loyalest and huggablest and snugglest~!

Maybe make the barest effort to educate yourself instead of making a topic, getting an answer, and being snide as a response. Or dont make the topic at all

They literally have shit quality of life and can suffocate very easily. Its the epitome of but its cute so I dont care how it feels mentality.

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Lokarin
11/22/22 7:20:32 PM
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ZangsBeard posted...
Maybe make the barest effort to educate yourself instead of making a topic, getting an answer, and being snide as a response. Or dont make the topic at all

They literally have shit quality of life and can suffocate very easily. Its the epitome of but its cute so I dont care how it feels mentality.

I've known many pugs and they all had great breathing and quality of life...

none of this 'can't breath, their eyes will fall out' stuff

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Jen0125
11/22/22 7:24:30 PM
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Anecdotes are pointless
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ZangsBeard
11/22/22 7:26:15 PM
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Lokarin posted...
I've known many pugs and they all had great breathing and quality of life...

none of this 'can't breath, their eyes will fall out' stuff

Cool. Still wrong.

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ParanoidObsessive
11/22/22 8:34:13 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Probably because they're genetic nightmares and their quality of life is usually poor. They just shouldn't be continued to be bred.

Funny, that's pretty much the same reason why some people think poor people shouldn't be allowed to breed.

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SoreChasm
11/22/22 8:42:27 PM
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Stop, Lok.

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rjsilverthorn
11/22/22 8:46:47 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Funny, that's pretty much the same reason why some people think poor people shouldn't be allowed to breed.
But people aren't intentionally inbreeding the poor to enhance their distinctive traits, which is what is happening in show breeds.

"The inbreeding coefficient (COI) for the Pug in the analysis of SNPs (gene markers the researchers used to investigate the percent of genetic inbreeding) was an average of 44.2%. It should be compared with the pairing of two half siblings which leads to an inbreeding coefficient of 12.5% in the puppies, and with pairing of two whole siblings where the inbreeding coefficient of the puppies is 25%"
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SoreChasm
11/22/22 8:49:02 PM
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rjsilverthorn posted...
But people aren't intentionally inbreeding the poor to enhance their distinctive traits
I heard PO is.

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Lokarin
11/22/22 8:54:16 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
Stop, Lok.

stop whut?

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SoreChasm
11/22/22 8:57:12 PM
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Lokarin posted...
But they're the noblest and loyalest and huggablest and snugglest~!
This stupid shit.

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Lokarin
11/22/22 9:01:15 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
This stupid shit.

Liking things? No, really... what are you talking about?

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SoreChasm
11/22/22 9:03:18 PM
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ZangsBeard posted...
Maybe make the barest effort to educate yourself instead of making a topic, getting an answer, and being snide as a response.


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Lokarin
11/22/22 9:09:03 PM
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Geez, I didn't know there were a bunch of pug haters here, too

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argonautweakend
11/22/22 9:44:48 PM
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I get why people would hate pug breeders and people who buy pugs, thus perpetuating the unncessary suffering.

But this doesn't explain why people would hate pugs themselves.

And for what its worth "punching a pug in the penis" is one of the best cards against humanity cards.
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ZangsBeard
11/22/22 9:50:24 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Geez, I didn't know there were a bunch of pug haters here, too

Its not the animals that we have a problem with

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BlackScythe0
11/22/22 10:32:33 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Probably because they're genetic nightmares and their quality of life is usually poor. They just shouldn't be continued to be bred.

This

Breeding pugs to be the way they are is animal cruelty.

Just to be clear here because I can't tell if people are trolling or not people are not angry at the pugs themselves.
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Metalsonic66
11/22/22 10:53:57 PM
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Lokarin
11/22/22 11:03:02 PM
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Ya, ok - I agree with that - there are abusive breeders out there, particularly for lineage breeds (such as pugs, chiuauas, bulldogs and such)

could always get a cute mixed pug

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BlackScythe0
11/22/22 11:06:24 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Ya, ok - I agree with that - there are abusive breeders out there, particularly for lineage breeds (such as pugs, chiuauas, bulldogs and such)

could always get a cute mixed pug

Making pugs is animal cruelty. I'm not willing to support that.
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JigsawTDCII
11/22/22 11:43:50 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Funny, that's pretty much the same reason why some people think poor people shouldn't be allowed to breed.

calling poor people genetic nightmares is about the most mustache-twirling statement youve made and you like to twirl that thing so much that the hair is severely thinning
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Lil_Bit83
11/22/22 11:56:24 PM
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From what I hear, there's been some breed-back efforts for suffering dog breeds out there. Giving pugs more of a face, and straightening German Shepherds backs out as an example. I dunno what else is being unruined?

If the AKC wouldn't give the time of day to some poor, hyper deformed backyard breeders dog, why can't they have set a good example by banning breeding conformation that was clearly a health detriment by "high profile" breeders earlier?" It's the same damn thing.

I feel sorry for the poor things. Bred to be smashed in and with a host of health problems by human idiots who care about money and not the animals welfare.

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Revelation34
11/23/22 1:09:48 AM
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JigsawTDCII posted...


calling poor people genetic nightmares is about the most mustache-twirling statement youve made and you like to twirl that thing so much that the hair is severely thinning


It was Jen who made that argument.

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Cacciato
11/23/22 1:28:27 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
It was Jen who made that argument.
You should really learn to fucking read.
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Krazy_Kirby
11/23/22 4:12:43 AM
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ugly squashed faces, and they aren't big enough to even be real dogs

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JigsawTDCII
11/23/22 4:19:34 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
It was Jen who made that argument.

she called pugs genetic nightmares and then PO said thats the same reason some people think poor people shouldnt reproduce, so he is indirectly calling poor people genetic nightmares

idk why Im responding seriously to a Rev post though.
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Dikitain
11/23/22 4:41:22 AM
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Because every dog under 50 lbs is a cat, and cats are worthless.

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agesboy
11/23/22 4:56:47 AM
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i will say though, screw wow boomers, pick-up groups made wow better

pugs ftw

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Gaawa_chan
11/23/22 5:46:44 AM
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I would never, ever buy a bred animal. Ever. This goes 1000x over for bred animals with terrible health conditions. My pets are rescues/giveaways, and I get all of them fixed.

As for pugs specifically:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4903005/
"Of the 1009 pugs under veterinary care in the study during 2013, 688 (68.19 %) had at least one disorder recorded."
"Pugs recorded the second highest count of disorders resulting directly from selection for conformational traits among the top fifty Kennel Club-registered breeds [11] and predispositions to 25 disorders have been reported in Pugs, with ocular, respiratory and dermatological problems especially highlighted [7]. Even among brachycephalic breeds, Pugs appear particularly predisposed to brachycephalic obstructive airway syndrome (BOAS), upper respiratory tract disorders and corneal disorders [8, 1214]. ..... difficulty breathing, excessive nasal folds, excessively prominent eyes, incomplete blink, sore eyes due to damage or poor eyelid conformation, signs of dermatitis in skin folds, significantly overweight, and unsound movement [4]."

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agesboy
11/23/22 5:51:54 AM
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basically if you adopt a pug #1 dont breed it. #2 expect complications. #3 love the fuck out of it anyways

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SoreChasm
11/23/22 6:04:52 AM
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agesboy posted...
basically if you adopt a pug #1 dont breed it. #2 expect complications. #3 love the fuck out of it anyways
Lok gets #3, but he seems to be having difficulties understand #1 and #2.

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What_The_Chris
11/23/22 6:12:45 AM
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guys, this is the internet, you're allowed to hate anything except dogs

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Jen0125
11/23/22 8:32:55 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
It was Jen who made that argument.

Lmao what
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adjl
11/23/22 9:07:06 AM
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Pugs are great, like all dogs. Pug breeders suck and deserve all the hate, except for those that are making deliberate efforts to breed them to be healthier.

Lil_Bit83 posted...
From what I hear, there's been some efforts for suffering dog breeds out there. Giving pugs more of a face, and straightening German Shepherds backs out as an example. I dunno what else is being unruined?

The various forms of bulldog as well, for pretty much the same reason as pugs. Also Persian cats. Overall, I'm a big fan of that and anything else that seeks to normalize breeding with animal welfare in mind instead of centuries-old status symbols.

Lil_Bit83 posted...
If the AKC wouldn't give the time of day to some poor, hyper deformed backyard breeders dog, why can't they have set a good example by banning breeding conformation that was clearly a health detriment by "high profile" breeders earlier?" It's the same damn thing.

Because people with a whole lot of money that masturbate themselves to sleep every night over how "pure" their $5000+ dog is give the AKC money to continue telling them that their "pure" dog is the best and was totally worth $5000+.

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Jen0125
11/23/22 9:08:01 AM
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Mixed breeding purebred pugs is basically the only thing they can do to help them at this point.
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adjl
11/23/22 9:10:38 AM
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And unfortunately, mixed breeding them is off-putting to the wannabe 17th century nobility that want only the purest pedigrees for the pets they're going to ignore 95% of the time.

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Metalsonic66
11/23/22 11:17:41 AM
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If you cross a pug with a greyhound

You just get a dog with normal proportions

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Lokarin
11/23/22 2:23:02 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
Lok gets #3, but he seems to be having difficulties understand #1 and #2.

Of course expect complications... I know running dogs have to be careful about their stomachs flipping, and pointer dogs have ancestral congenital heart defects that go thousands of years back and can just show up

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AltOmega2
11/24/22 10:49:15 AM
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I haven't shamelessly browsed reddit in nearly a decade but they seemed to be pretty "meh" on dogs in general and absolutely hated pitbulls.
If I had to guess, there's probably some smug ass in every pug thread preaching to the choir about how pugs can barely breathe because of the genetic fuckery that makes them look cute-ugly
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