Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 5 - What does Pot of Greed do again?

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It's very convenient that Lopen was initially all for believing Ben's claim and is now doing a total 180 once he realized the chips were down. And it'll be a cold day in hell before I let you get to decide a single thing about who I scan and don't scan.

Lopen posted...

Although I kinda would prefer the bus driver to claim before mass. Not actions just the identity

If you're scum trying to discredit the cop, then you already know the actions, lopen

Hbthebattle posted...

It's very convenient that Lopen was initially all for believing Ben's claim

When

Lopen posted...

Btw hb if you're town do not scan BCT. He is clearly scum. Resolve ambiguous targets. That is how we win this game.

Actually, please do scan me so I can be cleared town. Lopen seems VERY desperate to win scum the game here. A little too desperate.

Seriously, Ben and Lopen couldn't be any more blatant scum at this point.

Peace___Frog posted...

This was my and lopen's leading theory through most of day 2. Again, not crackpot, and people who say that lopen doesn't make sense are just bad at using their brain.

It's crackpot when you consider:
A: It's MyLo. Why wouldn't I just fake a scan on a town player and then win the game.
and
B: I've been pushing Ben for several days at this point. You can't try to spin this as some sort of "he's fucked so let's bus him" on my end.

Hbthebattle posted...

It's crackpot when you consider:
A: It's MyLo. Why wouldn't I just fake a scan on a town player and then win the game.
and
B: I've been pushing Ben for several days at this point. You can't try to spin this as some sort of "he's fucked so let's bus him" on my end.

Oh no i agree 100% for day 3, given today's events. I do not think it was crackpot yesterday.

Peace___Frog posted...

If you're scum trying to discredit the cop, then you already know the actions, lopen

:(

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Actually, please do scan me so I can be cleared town. Lopen seems VERY desperate to win scum the game here. A little too desperate.

Seriously, Ben and Lopen couldn't be any more blatant scum at this point.

Just claim gf at this point, dude

Peace___Frog posted...

Just claim gf at this point, dude

noting that peaf said nothing about lopen also begging for a scan

Oh i didn't see that yet. Lol. Still rereading on mobile

Hb, i don't want you to give any hints about who you will scan. That's between you and our host.

Peace___Frog posted...

Just claim gf at this point, dude

Why would I fakeclaim scum and potentially cost town the game? That makes no sense. You're looking fishy, Peaf.

I don't want a scan unless it's from a day cop who has a scum scan on me day 2

BlueCrystalTear posted...

You're as close to confirmed scum as we can get without a scan. And there's a chance, however tiny, that HB is scum and is doing an excellent put-up job to bus Ben. I highly doubt it, but still.

Fam, if Hb is bussing Ben, then that means Ben is scum.

... So we should kill Ben regardless.

As much as I believe Lopen is scum, it's reckless to not kill Ben today when every sign in the universe points to Ben being scum.

Hbthebattle posted...

ding-dong, you're wrong. Pot of Greed is only active during the day phase. There's no chance of a mistake here.

Ok this is fucking hilarious (at Ben's expense)

Agreed, Kirby.

I would appreciate if poppy and Kirby claim before i do. That's my only request.

Peace___Frog posted...

Oh no i agree 100% for day 3, given today's events. I do not think it was crackpot yesterday.

It is still not crackpot. If hb is the real cop scum killing Han over him is weird isn't it?

I will say I won't humor lynching hb at any point before a mass claim though. I was fairly certain Sultan was day cop though.

If you planned to neuter hb by blocking him and using that to setup his mislynch today because his only completed scan was scummy, then killing Han absolutely makes sense.

You guys gotta keep in mind that my experience here is as follows:

• The disaster here from 2018 (was very town)
• Nickelodeon Mafia, which I won for scum
• A day and a half (real-time) of Baseball Mafia before I replaced out since I was losing my mind again

There were other games from 8+ years ago that aren't relevant, with one not really being Mafia and two others resulting in early demises for me. I legit have no idea how to be town, and am learning as I go.

Kirby321 posted...

Fam, if Hb is bussing Ben, then that means Ben is scum.

... So we should kill Ben regardless.

As much as I believe Lopen is scum, it's reckless to not kill Ben today when every sign in the universe points to Ben being scum.

Did you see post #150?

So how does that work if hb isn't blocked.

Peace___Frog posted...

Hb, i don't want you to give any hints about who you will scan. That's between you and our host.

Stop stealing what I was gonna say >:(

For real, y'all, let Hb scan whoever the hell he wants to. Telling him who to scan is just opening up the floor for scum to potentially interfere with the scan.

I'm just saying don't scan bct

Bct is obviously scum. It's pointless to scan him. If bct is godfather it just muddied the waters. If he's not it's a scan to state the obvious.

Baseball Mafia. I'm town here as well. Lopen claimed Bus driver

Topic 4, Post #227, from me

So how does this actually work? You make Lea target Red or you swap them out so that if someone visits Lea they visit Red instead?

Red snaps back and asks me rehetroically if I['m really asking how bus driver works.

Post #230, from ME
Then yes what's bus driver because it seems to change every game

And I was confused because the version of Bus driver you all are familiar with is just different from mine

Ben if it's bus my pot of greed on Han wouldn't fail. It would hit Kirby.

Peace___Frog posted...

Scum rb will not claim to have rb'd. Unless you want to share for the class.
Only one power role has given us a full claim so far. That he was not rb'd n1 is suspicious, sure. But no other power role is going to out themselves over having been blocked, at this point in time.

For some reason when i posted this i thought hb had claimed d1. Obviously he didn't and that was a d2 thing. Please disregard.

Lopen posted...

Yeah probably. I don't believe Ben's claim for obvious reasons. Chief among them being there is no Bus Driver claiming to collaborate it.

This really feels like you're trying to do damage control for Ben.

Peace___Frog posted...

Agreed, Kirby.

I would appreciate if poppy and Kirby claim before i do. That's my only request.

I have no qualms with that. It's an odd request, but I certainly have no issue with it.

But do we really need anyone to claim today? Hb is right. Why mass claim when we know for damn sure Ben is scum and we're all agreeing to lynch him?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Did you see post #150?

Nope, because I have the attention span of a goldfish and keep getting distracted before I even finish a post. And then I subsequently don't refresh the page because that would delete my post >_>

Though if you wanna have a discussion where you claim scum openly and defend why you botched your fakeclaim be my guest. It would have style to be sure.

Peace___Frog posted...

This really feels like you're trying to do damage control for Ben.

This is me trying to bait a bus driver to claim.

Yeah I'm up for putting off mass till tomorrow personally

The play by ben is almost clever. But i really request that you guys not take what he's saying seriously. He is confirmed scum.

Lopen posted...

This is me trying to bait a bus driver to claim.

So that scum can kill him tonight and he stops messing with your team?

Lopen posted...

This is me trying to bait a bus driver to claim.

If it's a scum bus driver, why would they say anything. Ben could just as easily be lying about being redirected, because making up convoluted shit to make himself sound believable is exactly what he would do

If it's a town bus driver, why are you even trying to bait them out? Keep them hidden for the sake of protecting a power role! Wtf

Scummate fake claiming bus driver to make Ben's fakeclaim look better is what I was trying to bait

Note scum only needs one mislynch to win. They can pull all sorts of crazy plays. It can expose as many of them as needed as long as it gets one incorrect lynch.

Lopen posted...

Scummate fake claiming bus driver to make Ben's fakeclaim look better is what I was trying to bait

Note scum only needs one mislynch to win. They can pull all sorts of crazy plays. It can expose as many of them as needed as long as it gets one incorrect lynch.

Given ben's confusion with him being redirected, a scum fakeclaiming bd would be a 2 for 1. Usually not a winning move.

Peace___Frog posted...

Given ben's confusion with him being redirected, a scum fakeclaiming bd would be a 2 for 1. Usually not a winning move.

When scum needs 1 mislynch to win, it is a winning move

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I meant for the night kill, not the redirect. Sorry I didn't clarify. A bus driver swaps actions, yes? If scum tried to night kill Kirby and then got swapped to Han, it makes no sense. Whereas a Watcher/Tracker visiting Han would absolutely be redirected - but it depends on which type of redirect it was. Was it the "all actions on Han are now performed on Kirby" type, in which case Kirby would probably be killed too unless scum has something to prevent that? Or was it the "Ben was redirected since scum somehow knew he was Tracker" type?

that would be the entire point of a scum bus driver. you can send the kill at one player (kirby) and have it pop out the other end on Han. so any town trying to protect Han would be sent over to kirby instead. what makes no sense (and is one of the 20 reasons at this point to beat the dead horse that is Ben) is why they would do that to Han and not HB

Lopen posted...

Ben if it's bus my pot of greed on Han wouldn't fail. It would hit Kirby.

Then I was right and its not the swapping of Han and Kirby. Its the sending me to a different target. Which in some countries is also called a bus driver... For example, in Bengland, Benlantis, Bengaledesh, Benya, Benjium, and Soviet Russia >.>

Peace___Frog posted...

If you planned to neuter hb by blocking him and using that to setup his mislynch today because his only completed scan was scummy, then killing Han absolutely makes sense.

HB wasn't roleblocked. Which begs the question: Who was? Or does scum not have a roleblocker, and instead just has a redirector as Ben suggests? Since Ben knows the scum roles, he could have slipped a truth in there. Verbage intentional, but I honestly kinda believe him about that role since HB got a scan off. (I believe literally nothing else Ben is saying, only that scum's RB is just a redirector.)

Really, if there was a roleblocker, they'd 100% use it on HB, and he'd say he was roleblocked. Lopen would be like "SCUM SCUM SCUM!!!!" and try to get HB to make a gaffe to make it look like the scan on Abacus was a fakeclaim, and that he was conveniently roleblocked. There's really no difference in the approach here aside from HB not getting to confirm anybody. In both of these scenarios, nobody comes forward to say they were actually roleblocked, and I think that's because scum doesn't have a proper RB.

Does this change anything? Not really, but it does make HB look a lot better. There's no counter-claimed cop and nobody else saying "I was RB'd" to muddy the waters, except for Ben who looks terrible.

Lopen posted...

Bct is obviously scum.

How is this "obvious" when I'm blatantly town? I'm a little confused as to how anyone can still think this.

Oh wait, you're scum, never mind.

Kirby321 posted...

Nope, because I have the attention span of a goldfish and keep getting distracted before I even finish a post. And then I subsequently don't refresh the page because that would delete my post >_>

Just do what I do. Ctrl + A + C + V + R. A to select all. C to copy. V to paste (verification purposes). R to reload. And then new posts appear!

Lopen posted...

Though if you wanna have a discussion where you claim scum openly and defend why you botched your fakeclaim be my guest. It would have style to be sure.

Nothing is botched. In fact, if I was scum I just claim vanilla. Anyone who has played with scum me knows I always claim vanilla as scum because why-ever the hell wouldnt you?

changmas posted...

that would be the entire point of a scum bus driver. you can send the kill at one player (kirby) and have it pop out the other end on Han. so any town trying to protect Han would be sent over to kirby instead. what makes no sense (and is one of the 20 reasons at this point to beat the dead horse that is Ben) is why they would do that to Han and not HB

This makes more sense now, thanks. So they targeted Kirby with the kill and swapped it over to Han, so anyone who visited Han instead visited Kirby. Gotcha.

That said Ben still looks sketchy AF and is all over the place. Han being alive is less of a threat than a cop. Did they think HB was going to scan Kirby? Why would they think that? A cop should want to scan someone people have differing opinions on or are uncertain about. Kirby was not that, so no reason to try to redirect HB's scan to Han right before the night kill.

PunishedBen posted...

Nothing is botched. In fact, if I was scum I just claim vanilla. Anyone who has played with scum me knows I always claim vanilla as scum because why-ever the hell wouldnt you?

i think this answer is pretty obvious when the uncountered cop is claiming a scan on you. town has to have some kind of investigative role, so you attempt to claim watcher to counter it. but you can't plausibly come up with a reason why you didn't see the kill on Han, hence the botched nonsense to attempt to explain it

PunishedBen posted...

Then I was right and its not the swapping of Han and Kirby. Its the sending me to a different target. Which in some countries is also called a bus driver... For example, in Bengland, Benlantis, Bengaledesh, Benya, Benjium, and Soviet Russia >.>

The problem here is that i don't believe you at all that you were redirected from Han to Kirby, because Han died. This would imply that you targeted Kirby which, no offense, would be quite the kill out of left field.

Anyway, this has been fun, but i do need to sleep soon.

Kirby, i want you to know that i appreciate you and what you've done.

And hb, great work last night.

HB would have been the one redirected if he was town. This CONFIRMS him scum. Please everyone, if you read anything, read this.

Peace___Frog posted...

The problem here is that i don't believe you at all that you were redirected from Han to Kirby, because Han died. This would imply that you targeted Kirby which, no offense, would be quite the kill out of left field.

I targeted Han. Which was the correct play because he's dead tonight. It was between him and HB but I assumed they'd just roleblock HB

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Really, if there was a roleblocker, they'd 100% use it on HB, and he'd say he was roleblocked. Lopen would be like "SCUM SCUM SCUM!!!!" and try to get HB to make a gaffe to make it look like the scan on Abacus was a fakeclaim, and that he was conveniently roleblocked. There's really no difference in the approach here aside from HB not getting to confirm anybody. In both of these scenarios, nobody comes forward to say they were actually roleblocked, and I think that's because scum doesn't have a proper RB.

Does this change anything? Not really, but it does make HB look a lot better. There's no counter-claimed cop and nobody else saying "I was RB'd" to muddy the waters, except for Ben who looks terrible.

I think you're still a little confused so I'll humor you.

You are absolutely correct with the start of your theorizing. That was absolutely the scum plan leading into today.

Vanillas do not get told when they are rb'd, because they do not have an action to take. You can not conclude from that that an rb does not exist.

PunishedBen posted...

HB would have been the one redirected if he was town. This CONFIRMS him scum. Please everyone, if you read anything, read this.

Bus driver moves the receivers of actions, not the actors.

PunishedBen posted...

I targeted Han. Which was the correct play because he's dead tonight. It was between him and HB but I assumed they'd just roleblock HB

Let's be clear here so that the rest of town knows what's going on.
If you targeted scum and got Swapped to Kirby then that would only happen if scum sent the kill onto Kirby, because Han is dead.
Killing Kirby would be bizarre. Thus, you are not telling the truth about who you targeted.

Again, there is absolutely no confirmation there is a bus driver. Both you and Chang now are overextending to get me killed by acting like it's fact I was bus driven and not redirected. I think you're both scum and you have to lie here to set me up, but you're going too far and acting like there's info where there's not

Peace___Frog posted...

Let's be clear here so that the rest of town knows what's going on.
If you targeted scum and got Swapped to Kirby then that would only happen if scum sent the kill onto Kirby, because Han is dead.
Killing Kirby would be bizarre. Thus, you are not telling the truth about who you targeted.

There is absolutely nothing saying that is the role that messed up my target last night. Because they're scum and not claiming