Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 5 - What does Pot of Greed do again?

(+) Yeah! (+)

I understand of course, the game is not what it used to be. For so many of them this is the first time they have laid eyes upon a duel field in decades. Synchro monsters was barely a blip on their radar and now they have to learn what XYZ-monsters are? What overlaying means? Why they have their stars on the other side of the card? Dont even get them started on Link monsters! What happened to their defense points? Why do they have arrows sticking out in eight directions? What in gods name is a co-link? They should consider themselves lucky that they skipped the fourth era of dueling. Those were the darkest of days.

Still the problem is, how can they possibly win this game when they cannnot tell right from wrong? The hackers seem to know, perhaps because they are merged with it... upgraded at all times. But our unfortunate champions barely recognize the victims left in their wake so far. It is hard to sympathize with those whose decks and cards might as well be printed in another language.

...Not this guy though. They will miss this guy, this hero from the original age.
Han has died, he was

Ben-Kei and Company, TOWN VANILLA.
Look man, sometimes you just want a win and you want it fast. You know that feeling... There is another event coming up and you lack the time and resources to build a whole new deck that can score some gems.
So rather than goin through the grind again, you go for the cheap alternative. In comes Ben-Kei and his less powerful but equally helpful friend Mataza the Zapper: two warriors with a plan.
The path to victory is simple: get your monster who can attack multiple times in one battle phase, load them up with the best equip spells, and hit the opponent until they are dead. You cannot lose.
Well you can lose, and you are gonna lose often. But this is an event deck, you do not lose points unlike in ranked! There is no going back, you can only go forward! And go on you will! Because you need those gems damnit!
You can only attack, you can only vote. You win with town.

Hans trap has now been removed from the field.
BCT, Chang, Kirby and Lopen have all set a trap card.

Playerlist
1. BCT
2. Ben
3. Changmas
4. HBtheBattle
5. Kirby
6. Lopen
7. PeaceFrog
8. Poppy
9. Sultan
10. ViolentAbacus

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 7 PM EST Tuesday, October 15th.

You may start posting

##Vote: Ben
Let's not fuck around today. I scanned him, he's scum, and he in fact did not hide "I AM MILLER" in his first post.

Sultan, Lopen, Ben, ???

I'm fine with offing any of those three. Sultan is my #1 choice because the fact that him and I are both alive is curious - if we were both town, wouldn't scum kill one of us to get the other mislynched, and thus they'd win? Since I'm town, Sultan is thus 100% scum.

I WOULD like to hear Sultan's claim, as well as Ben's true claim for that matter.

HB being alive is also something to talk about. They went for Han, the towniest of townies, and not the claimed scanner or someone who'd set up an easy mislynch. I don't know what to make of that. Am I supposed to be doubting HB's claim now?

This also might be a MYLO situation. Four scum means that, unless we have a backup doctor, we lose tonight if we mislynch. Right?

i suspect the reason I was left alive is because someone on scum (hint: its Lopen) thinks I am an easy mislynch.

I don't think Sultan is scum, after the ctes flip. That, and Sultan sounding genuine in thinking about replacing/wanting to do more.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

HB being alive is also something to talk about. They went for Han, the towniest of townies, and not the claimed scanner or someone who'd set up an easy mislynch. I don't know what to make of that. Am I supposed to be doubting HB's claim now?

HB is in contention, so better (in my opinion) to keep him alive temporarily to take out someone who was A) Generating content and B) was pretty much confirmed town by everyone.

It is bizarre that HB didn't have SOMETHING happen to them, though.

I have another problem in regards to HB that is very tinfoil hatty. Even though I do think their town, there is this possibility:

Scum was doing a set up. HB pretends to be cop, and sets up a "scan" on someone and confirms someone town because they know who is and isn't. Opens up the possibility to later say "I scanned this person, they're scum" and then we lynch and are basically arsed if we do think there are 4 scum.

I don't think it's a very likely scenario at all, but still wanted to mention the possibility

ViolentAbacus posted...

I don't think Sultan is scum, after the ctes flip.

If he's not scum, then who is? Sultan and I both being alive makes no sense if we're both town. And I know I'm town. Also he could want to replace because he's scum and sick of me pressuring him.

We should be killing one of the three confirmed scum today.

ViolentAbacus posted...

It is bizarre that HB didn't have SOMETHING happen to them, though.

Does scum not have a roleblocker, or did somebody else get RB'd?

ViolentAbacus posted...

HB pretends to be cop, and sets up a "scan" on someone and confirms someone town because they know who is and isn't. Opens up the possibility to later say "I scanned this person, they're scum" and then we lynch and are basically arsed if we do think there are 4 scum.

If Ben's town, yeah, we're hosed, and we got played HARD. Which is why I'm pushing for Sultan. He's most assuredly scum, as is Lopen, so really, either of them is fine. But I too have to entertain the possibility that HB is playing us and he's scum with Lopen, Sultan, and Poppy or something.

I would've assumed that if Hb were kept alive, he would've been roleblocked. Odd that he managed to get a scan off, and he chose... obvscum Ben, of all people.

... Not that I disagree with the scan. I really can't say I'm surprised that Ben is scum lol

##Vote: Ben

Ez lynch

why would we go for sultan over literal confirmed scum

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I'm fine with offing any of those three. Sultan is my #1 choice because the fact that him and I are both alive is curious - if we were both town, wouldn't scum kill one of us to get the other mislynched, and thus they'd win? Since I'm town, Sultan is thus 100% scum.

on what planet are you or sultan more valuable kills for scum than Han or me. That's silly.

This is lylo so let's not be hasty with votes

Imo hb is lying and has effectively towncomfirmed Ben with the play

But we should mass before

Kirby if town please Unvote

Hbthebattle posted...

on what planet are you or sultan more valuable kills for scum than Han or me. That's silly.

Easy. If we're both town and one of us dies, the other becomes an easy target for a mislynch. If there are 4 scum, boom, scum wins doing just that.

Mislyching you, HB, or Han is a much harder sell than that. It's not that Sultan or I would be a bigger threat, it's about positioning themselves to win the game. Also Sultan is scum so that means none of this matters.

Lopen posted...

Imo hb is lying and has effectively towncomfirmed Ben with the play

Please explain why you think this.

WTF no I'm not taking my vote off of Ben

HE'S SCUM
HB IS COP
WHAT THE HELL

But with this presumably being MyLo, I agree that a mass claim is a good idea.

hi

quick question - is there a reason the cop is still alive and has a result when we killed the doctor day 1?

Natural cop fakeclaim path is claim scumscan here

PoppyTheNinja posted...

quick question - is there a reason the cop is still alive and has a result when we killed the doctor day 1?

Not the cop

Lopen posted...

This is lylo so let's not be hasty with votes

Imo hb is lying and has effectively towncomfirmed Ben with the play

But we should mass before

convenient that you come to the exact conclusion that benefits your previous argument

PoppyTheNinja posted...

hi

quick question - is there a reason the cop is still alive and has a result when we killed the doctor day 1?

because lopen thinks he can mislynch me here

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Easy. If we're both town and one of us dies, the other becomes an easy target for a mislynch. If there are 4 scum, boom, scum wins doing just that.

the only problem with that is that everyone else in the game has to agree that you're a 1 scum, 1 town pair. That is not guaranteed by any means. Especially because killing one of the two of you would leave Han alive, who would almost certainly not go for one of the two of you.

We mass another cop will appear I'm certain of it

Only scum doesn't want to mass here

Like one mislynch we lose

Faking scum scan is the easiest thing in the world to win the game

Also with the trap gimmicks we need to be super careful with setting votes in general. Scum locks a vote in the wrong place and this game is over

anyway let's review something from last topic

Hbthebattle posted...

what else about me is scummy other than the bad vote and you not liking my claim?

Lopen posted...

That's literally it. It is enough. You haven't posted much for me to have more material and your claim and the inferences you claimed to make from your claim was VERY bad

Sometimes it really just is simple.

Lopen's main argument against me was that ctes was my scummate and I accidentally pushed him into the lynch pool, and was trying to protect him. This, for obvious reasons, is not true. He also said multiple times that ctes being town would lower my chance of being scum, yet here he is still pushing me.

He said the main reason Ben couldn't be scum is that scummy players (like ctes) were suspicious of him. Yet ctes was not scum. He has no solid ground for any argument he makes.

He's simply just lying.

It being town/town doesn't make you auto town. Scum being okay with moving their vote around in a 2x town lynch makes sense too

In any case there is literally no reason not to mass before blindly believing the scan. If you're uncountered by a day cop in the setup you being town fits a lot better.

I just got out of escape room and i have to drive home which is over an hour away. HB is saying he guilty scanned me, which means he is scum and this is MYLO unless I got pot of Greeded or he is gambiting.

##Vote: HB

I'm Junks, Town Watcher.

I watched Han both nights, and no one visited Han night 1. Then last night i got Bus Driven i assume to watch Kirby. No one visited Kirby

This is horrible timing but I'll be home eventually, PLEASE don't rush vote me. Game will be over

Also me thinking I can mislynch you and leaving a cop on the field is asinine theorycraft. You scanned Ben who was under fire but say you found a guy like Peaf, who is largely thought was town was scum. Then we would lose an unsuspected scummate should I fail. Very poor risk reward there. Trying to mislynch Han would make a lot more sense.

If we have a different cop than HB, please show yourself and reveal your scans now.

Additionally, if somebody got roleblocked, please reveal yourself.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

quick question - is there a reason the cop is still alive and has a result when we killed the doctor day 1?

Entirely possible that there's a backup who inherited SBell's power, yes? But then scum still got a kill... and there were two kills N1... wait a minute... do we have an SK on our hands? Is it a possibility that instead of scum having an extra kill that the SK got somebody night 1 and then somebody's kill got stopped N2? Like:
N1: Scum kills Corrik, SK kills red
N2: Scum tries to kill HB but is blocked, SK kills Han

We can't rule out this possibility, in which case it's entirely possible that this was an 11/3/1 set-up with a backup.

Also: I'm thinking Lopen is the safest lynch right now. I don't see a scenario where he's a good guy at this point. If HB is scum fooling us, Lopen's in on this gambit and is trying to look good by bussing him. If HB is town, Lopen's trying to win the game for scum here by sowing doubt.

I agree that we need to be careful placing traps.
I'm hosting a friend from out of town so I'm a little out of action for right now.
But i am fine with a mass.
Poppy didn't die, and neither did hb. Ok.

I meant placing votes, not traps. But also that sure.

Anyone gonna claim that bus driver action

PunishedBen posted...

unless I got pot of Greeded or he is gambiting.

ding-dong, you're wrong. Pot of Greed is only active during the day phase. There's no chance of a mistake here.

if we're massing, we should have it be done as a sametime. No reason not to, right?

Lopen posted...

We mass another cop will appear I'm certain of it

Only scum doesn't want to mass here

If there was another Cop, why the hell wouldn't they counter Hb? Lopen, please.

Nonetheless, you later on say that we should wait to mass claim before jumping to conclusions. Fine.

##Unvote

But I will laugh if Hb is completely uncountered.

Hbthebattle posted...

if we're massing, we should have it be done as a sametime. No reason not to, right?

I'm def cool with that if we can coordinate.

I'd be okay with claiming, at this point.

Although I kinda would prefer the bus driver to claim before mass. Not actions just the identity

Also the why of swapping Kirby and Han

Ben has no traps in front of him, so no effects can go off from voting/unvoting him. Don't panic here.

Also let's look at Ben's claim. He claims that he watched Han but got swapped to Kirby. Wouldn't that mean scum had to have shot at Kirby?

Lopen posted...

Although I kinda would prefer the bus driver to claim before mass. Not actions just the identity

for what purpose?

Hbthebattle posted...

Also let's look at Ben's claim. He claims that he watched Han but got swapped to Kirby. Wouldn't that mean scum had to have shot at Kirby?

Which seems like an absolutely ridiculous choice for a scum kill yes.

PunishedBen posted...

I just got out of escape room and i have to drive home which is over an hour away. HB is saying he guilty scanned me, which means he is scum and this is MYLO unless I got pot of Greeded or he is gambiting.

##Vote: HB

I'm Junks, Town Watcher.

I watched Han both nights, and no one visited Han night 1. Then last night i got Bus Driven i assume to watch Kirby. No one visited Kirby

This is horrible timing but I'll be home eventually, PLEASE don't rush vote me. Game will be over

Convenient.

Lopen posted...

Although I kinda would prefer the bus driver to claim before mass. Not actions just the identity

Suspicious.

Hbthebattle posted...

for what purpose?

I think if we mass we're more likely to see two bus drivers to further complicate because scum literally only needs one mislynch. Feels prudent to sort out the real bus driver beforehand

Hbthebattle posted...

Also let's look at Ben's claim. He claims that he watched Han but got swapped to Kirby. Wouldn't that mean scum had to have shot at Kirby?

Excellent point.

So we can all agree Ben is lying and that he's scum, yeah? If only we lynched him on Day 1! Or even Day 2! ffs

Lopen posted...

I think if we mass we're more likely to see two bus drivers to further complicate because scum literally only needs one mislynch. Feels prudent to sort out the real bus driver beforehand

why would we see two bus drivers? And why wouldn't we sort through them tomorrow?

Yes, Ben is lying.

I just think we get more material to solve if we have some reason to believe one bus over the other.

Also because I'm confused how a bus would even work with spell cards and trap cards and would rather them straighten them out before mass rather than be able to retroactively do so to fit whatever spells or traps people claim to play