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PunishedBen 08/16/22 11:20:27 PM #302:	Kirby321 posted... Would you rather gamble on the chance of the Cop dying N1 without ever giving us any scans? Cop is by far the most valuable role in this setup even if Doc exists. Doc only has a chance to confirm somebody innocent each night. Cop guarantees either an inno scan or a guilty scan each night. I would yeah. Because if claimed and the doc is hit night 1 that's both power roles dead on night 1 and 2. If the math checks out that I'm wrong then I guess I'm wrong and I'd go with your strategy. Wouldn't be the first time --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ <cite>PunishedBen posted [p:967361859] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Kirby321 posted... </cite><quote>Would you rather gamble on the chance of the Cop dying N1 without ever giving us any scans?Cop is by far the most valuable role in this setup even if Doc exists. Doc only has a chance to confirm somebody innocent each night. Cop guarantees either an inno scan or a guilty scan each night.</quote>I would yeah. Because if claimed and the doc is hit night 1 that's both power roles dead on night 1 and 2. If the math checks out that I'm wrong then I guess I'm wrong and I'd go with your strategy. Wouldn't be the first time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedBen 08/16/22 11:29:21 PM #303:	There's a character in Xenoblade 3 named Dorrik and I think of the Elden Ring Corrik puns every time --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ <cite>PunishedBen posted [p:967362026] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>There's a character in Xenoblade 3 named Dorrik and I think of the Elden Ring Corrik puns every time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kirby321 08/16/22 11:30:44 PM #304:	PunishedBen posted... I would yeah. Because if claimed and the doc is hit night 1 that's both power roles dead on night 1 and 2. If the math checks out that I'm wrong then I guess I'm wrong and I'd go with your strategy. Wouldn't be the first time Let's crunch some more numbers then. D1 - Lynch someone (9 players remaining) N1 - Doctor dies (8 players remaining) D2 - Lynch someone (7 players remaining) N2 - Cop dies (6 player remaining) D3 - Lynch someone (5 players remaining) N3 - Person that Cop scanned dies, assuming Cop did not scan Doc or got a guilty scan (4 players remaining) In the worst case scenario where Doc dies N1, we're guaranteed either two days with some confirmed townies, or one dead scum. In the above situation, if we only lynch town, we're screwed anyway by N3 or even N2 if there's three scum. If Cop gets a guilty scan, we're afforded one more day. If Cop gets an inno scan, our chances of lynching scum are higher. There's a lot of benefit to getting a confirmed cop scan on D2. The real issue is that we presently don't know whether there's a Doc in the setup or not, but Scum does know because of BCT's previous clarification about the setup. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? <cite>Kirby321 posted [p:967362054] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>PunishedBen posted... </cite><quote>I would yeah. Because if claimed and the doc is hit night 1 that's both power roles dead on night 1 and 2. If the math checks out that I'm wrong then I guess I'm wrong and I'd go with your strategy. Wouldn't be the first time</quote>Let's crunch some more numbers then.D1 - Lynch someone (9 players remaining)N1 - Doctor dies (8 players remaining)D2 - Lynch someone (7 players remaining)N2 - Cop dies (6 player remaining)D3 - Lynch someone (5 players remaining)N3 - Person that Cop scanned dies, assuming Cop did not scan Doc or got a guilty scan (4 players remaining)In the worst case scenario where Doc dies N1, we're guaranteed either two days with some confirmed townies, or one dead scum.In the above situation, if we only lynch town, we're screwed anyway by N3 or even N2 if there's three scum. If Cop gets a guilty scan, we're afforded one more day. If Cop gets an inno scan, our chances of lynching scum are higher.There's a lot of benefit to getting a confirmed cop scan on D2. The real issue is that we presently don't know whether there's a Doc in the setup or not, but Scum does know because of BCT's previous clarification about the setup.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/16/22 11:32:12 PM #305:	PunishedBen posted... I would yeah. Because if claimed and the doc is hit night 1 that's both power roles dead on night 1 and 2. If the math checks out that I'm wrong then I guess I'm wrong and I'd go with your strategy. Wouldn't be the first time If there is a doctor and cop, there are 3 scum. The game can end in 2 nights. There is a 2/7 chance or a 2/6 chance of hitting doctor or cop night 1 by scum (depending if successful or unsuccessful lynch day 1). This is mitigated slightly by the chance a doctor could save the cop potentially if he guesses right. Where as if the cop claims, the cop can't be shot. There is a 1/6 or 1/5 chance (depending if successful lynch or not) that the doctor is shot at night. Then you could play the mindfuck game of whether the doctor at that point saves off the cop to try and get the save and if scum dares to shoot the cop thinking the doctor would save off. The math supports a No Lynch regardless. The math also supports a cop claiming if 3 scum. The math does not support a cop claiming if 2 scum because there is no doctor. The only reason to support a cop not claiming right now is if you think the game possibly has 2 scum only in it. The math is sound regardless. No lynch is shakier with 2 scum and not 3 scum, but it still remains mathematically the best play also, at least for one day. While it remains mathematically the best play for like 3 days if there are 3 scum or until you scan scum correctly. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967362084] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>PunishedBen posted... </cite><quote>I would yeah. Because if claimed and the doc is hit night 1 that's both power roles dead on night 1 and 2. If the math checks out that I'm wrong then I guess I'm wrong and I'd go with your strategy. Wouldn't be the first time</quote>If there is a doctor and cop, there are 3 scum. The game can end in 2 nights. There is a 2/7 chance or a 2/6 chance of hitting doctor or cop night 1 by scum (depending if successful or unsuccessful lynch day 1). This is mitigated slightly by the chance a doctor could save the cop potentially if he guesses right. Where as if the cop claims, the cop can't be shot. There is a 1/6 or 1/5 chance (depending if successful lynch or not) that the doctor is shot at night. Then you could play the mindfuck game of whether the doctor at that point saves off the cop to try and get the save and if scum dares to shoot the cop thinking the doctor would save off. The math supports a No Lynch regardless. The math also supports a cop claiming if 3 scum. The math does not support a cop claiming if 2 scum because there is no doctor.The only reason to support a cop not claiming right now is if you think the game possibly has 2 scum only in it. The math is sound regardless. No lynch is shakier with 2 scum and not 3 scum, but it still remains mathematically the best play also, at least for one day. While it remains mathematically the best play for like 3 days if there are 3 scum or until you scan scum correctly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Isquen 08/16/22 11:35:26 PM #306:	PunishedBen posted... I thought it was an aimless vote too. Then I remembered last game. I'm glad someone does (and to remind people who forgot already, WHY must you constantly lynch protection?) But my vote? It's not aimless, and I've said my peace. To further reinforce it, he unvoted and went for Corrik. Going for Corrik day one is simple when he makes absolutely no damn sense no matter what alignment he is. --- [Rock and Stone] <cite>Isquen posted [p:967362129] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>PunishedBen posted... </cite><quote>I thought it was an aimless vote too. Then I remembered last game.</quote>I'm glad someone does (and to remind people who forgot already, WHY must you constantly lynch protection?) But my vote? It's not aimless, and I've said my peace. To further reinforce it, he unvoted and went for Corrik. Going for Corrik day one is simple when he makes absolutely no damn sense no matter what alignment he is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/16/22 11:35:44 PM #307:	Kirby321 posted... D1 - Lynch someone (9 players remaining) N1 - Doctor dies (8 players remaining) D2 - Lynch someone (7 players remaining) N2 - Cop dies (6 player remaining) Game is over here anyways assuming mislynches. That's 3-3 --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967362136] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Kirby321 posted... </cite><quote>D1 - Lynch someone (9 players remaining)N1 - Doctor dies (8 players remaining)D2 - Lynch someone (7 players remaining)N2 - Cop dies (6 player remaining)</quote>Game is over here anyways assuming mislynches. That's 3-3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 08/17/22 12:05:29 AM #308:	I hate these conversations. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:967362632] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>I hate these conversations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 12:10:41 AM #309:	IfGodCouldDie posted... I hate these conversations. Why do you play mafia then? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967362715] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite><quote>I hate these conversations.</quote>Why do you play mafia then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 08/17/22 12:33:37 AM #310:	Corrik7 posted... Why do you play mafia then? Because setup meta is the worst part of mafia --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:967363029] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>Why do you play mafia then?</quote>Because setup meta is the worst part of mafia</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kirby321 08/17/22 12:49:16 AM #311:	In all fairness, we know more about the setup going into this game than we ever did in previous games. Anyway, I'm not in favor of lynching Corrik today. But I'll entertain a No Lynch regardless of whether there is a Doctor or not. Cop claim I'm not so sure about, though. ##Vote: No Lynch --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? <cite>Kirby321 posted [p:967363222] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>In all fairness, we know more about the setup going into this game than we ever did in previous games.Anyway, I'm not in favor of lynching Corrik today. But I'll entertain a No Lynch regardless of whether there is a Doctor or not. Cop claim I'm not so sure about, though.##Vote: No Lynch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 12:59:14 AM #312:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Because setup meta is the worst part of mafia I can't exactly remember the last time you analyzed play to find mafia either, soooo.... maybe embrace it? Figuring out setups helps you figure out who is scum and town. Knowing I had to be truthful last game by analyzing the setup would have made the world a lot easier for all of you. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967363328] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite><quote>Because setup meta is the worst part of mafia</quote>I can't exactly remember the last time you analyzed play to find mafia either, soooo.... maybe embrace it? Figuring out setups helps you figure out who is scum and town. Knowing I had to be truthful last game by analyzing the setup would have made the world a lot easier for all of you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 08/17/22 1:04:23 AM #313:	Corrik7 posted... I can't exactly remember the last time you analyzed play to find mafia either, soooo.... maybe embrace it? Figuring out setups helps you figure out who is scum and town. Knowing I had to be truthful last game by analyzing the setup would have made the world a lot easier for all of you. I don't analyze anything. I base my conclusions on evidence and reactions. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:967363402] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>I can't exactly remember the last time you analyzed play to find mafia either, soooo.... maybe embrace it? Figuring out setups helps you figure out who is scum and town. Knowing I had to be truthful last game by analyzing the setup would have made the world a lot easier for all of you.</quote>I don't analyze anything. I base my conclusions on evidence and reactions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kirby321 08/17/22 1:35:54 AM #314:	Although I'm in favor of No Lynch, I do want to name some suspects just so we have some stuff to go of off. Consider these my potentially final thoughts since I might not be around for much of the day tomorrow (and especially not the end). Ulti gave a good reason for Isquen to be town, which I commented on earlier. I have good vibes from Ctes because he really didn't need to point out that Scum knows the setup for sure thanks to BCT's mid-day revelation. That's information that an astute townie could figure out, sure, but it's also not something scum would want to spell out for town. Scum would want town to make fatal mistakes. I might also be biased here because I like Ctes as a player since he's rational and easy to talk to. Corrik has been incredibly active and analytical this game. Perhaps not terribly so toward other players (though my memory might be failing me on that), but his discussions on the setup ultimately led us to confirm the existence of a Cop and either Doc or Godfather in the setup, which is huge. Though I guess that's giving too much credit since I was the one who actually asked the question. Theoretically, scum Godfather Corrik would already have known Doc wasn't in the setup, since Godfather needs Cop to exist and BCT confirmed at the start that one role was axed. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. I don't think Corrik should be lynched today, but he's not totally cleared yet. Ulti, IGCD, Sbell, and Sultan seem to be acting like their normal selves. Hard to find anything incriminating there since all four tend to look scummy even when they're town. I'd be more interested in seeing who votes for them, especially if any of them flip. Peaf started out with a good impression to me, but I did not like at all how he responded to the whole setup meta discussion. He was noticeably vitriolic compared to earlier discussions where he was cool and collected in tone. And Ben's reactions to my initial posts were still uncharacteristic. Perhaps he's been grinding Xenoblade Chronicles 3 a bit too hard. I thought he was scum for a good portion of the game during the last game, so perhaps I'm getting similar vibes here? Idk, I just feel like our interactions this game have been very unlike our previous games as townies. On a side note, I don't think Cop should claim today, *however* if we don't do No Lynch and instead kill a townie today, I think Cop should claim D2 (if he survives N1), just to avoid MyLo as much as possible. If we get scum today instead, then Cop should lie low unless they get a guilty scan. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? <cite>Kirby321 posted [p:967363777] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Although I'm in favor of No Lynch, I do want to name some suspects just so we have some stuff to go of off. Consider these my potentially final thoughts since I might not be around for much of the day tomorrow (and especially not the end).Ulti gave a good reason for Isquen to be town, which I commented on earlier.I have good vibes from Ctes because he really didn't need to point out that Scum knows the setup for sure thanks to BCT's mid-day revelation. That's information that an astute townie could figure out, sure, but it's also not something scum would want to spell out for town. Scum would want town to make fatal mistakes. I might also be biased here because I like Ctes as a player since he's rational and easy to talk to.Corrik has been incredibly active and analytical this game. Perhaps not terribly so toward other players (though my memory might be failing me on that), but his discussions on the setup ultimately led us to confirm the existence of a Cop and either Doc or Godfather in the setup, which is huge. Though I guess that's giving too much credit since I was the one who actually asked the question. Theoretically, scum Godfather Corrik would already have known Doc wasn't in the setup, since Godfather needs Cop to exist and BCT confirmed at the start that one role was axed. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. I don't think Corrik should be lynched today, but he's not totally cleared yet.Ulti, IGCD, Sbell, and Sultan seem to be acting like their normal selves. Hard to find anything incriminating there since all four tend to look scummy even when they're town. I'd be more interested in seeing who votes for them, especially if any of them flip.Peaf started out with a good impression to me, but I did not like at all how he responded to the whole setup meta discussion. He was noticeably vitriolic compared to earlier discussions where he was cool and collected in tone.And Ben's reactions to my initial posts were still uncharacteristic. Perhaps he's been grinding Xenoblade Chronicles 3 a bit too hard. I thought he was scum for a good portion of the game during the last game, so perhaps I'm getting similar vibes here? Idk, I just feel like our interactions this game have been very unlike our previous games as townies.On a side note, I don't think Cop should claim today, however if we don't do No Lynch and instead kill a townie today, I think Cop should claim D2 (if he survives N1), just to avoid MyLo as much as possible. If we get scum today instead, then Cop should lie low unless they get a guilty scan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 08/17/22 6:45:27 AM #317:	UltimaterializerX posted... There is not one single read in this entire post. Its all setup fluff and fake content. It's a response to someone talking about the math. You sound shook. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967366510] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>There is not one single read in this entire post. Its all setup fluff and fake content.</quote>It's a response to someone talking about the math. You sound shook. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 6:58:56 AM #318:	As far as reads, despite the fact I have given many all game already and that's just being used in a way to dismiss. I feel good about the following people. In order Kirby Sultan Ctes Sbell I am wary of IGCD Isquen I am concerned about Peaf Ulti Ben --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967366651] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>As far as reads, despite the fact I have given many all game already and that's just being used in a way to dismiss. I feel good about the following people. In orderKirbySultanCtesSbellI am wary ofIGCDIsquenI am concerned aboutPeafUltiBen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 7:41:59 AM #319:	You are concerned about me but didn't actually reply to anything I posted last night. Super cool, my guy. As far as activity goes, I'm still extremely underwhelmed by ctes. IGCD and Sbell I feel very good about. Sultan I'm not as confident on, but am definitely leaning town. Corrik and Kirby have made a great show of being active without really doing much of anything, but frankly I think Kirby comes off looking way worse here. While corrik's posts are, in my opinion, an active waste of time and energy, he's at least putting his time and energy into them. Kirby feels like he's skating by behind corrik, not really doing much of anything at all. Could be lazy town, but that's not my impression of him from previous games. So I've put him in my scum pile. Ulti and ben I am neutral on but for very different reasons. Isquen is scum. Kirby, I was especially pissed off last night when corrik not only put words in my mouth unrelated to this game, but he also outright stated that I would rather lose if he and I are both town just because I don't want to see him win. That's rude and uncalled for. I joined Mafia for the first time in over a decade, and corrik is so self-absorbed that he thinks I'd prefer to bring bct's game down just to spite him? Holy shit, talk about thinking you're the center of the universe! I kept all of that out of the game, and he brought it up only to shit talk me. So yes, I was very "vitriolic". --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967367034] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>You are concerned about me but didn't actually reply to anything I posted last night. Super cool, my guy. As far as activity goes, I'm still extremely underwhelmed by ctes. IGCD and Sbell I feel very good about. Sultan I'm not as confident on, but am definitely leaning town.Corrik and Kirby have made a great show of being active without really doing much of anything, but frankly I think Kirby comes off looking way worse here. While corrik's posts are, in my opinion, an active waste of time and energy, he's at least putting his time and energy into them. Kirby feels like he's skating by behind corrik, not really doing much of anything at all. Could be lazy town, but that's not my impression of him from previous games. So I've put him in my scum pile. Ulti and ben I am neutral on but for very different reasons. Isquen is scum.Kirby, I was especially pissed off last night when corrik not only put words in my mouth unrelated to this game, but he also outright stated that I would rather lose if he and I are both town just because I don't want to see him win. That's rude and uncalled for. I joined Mafia for the first time in over a decade, and corrik is so self-absorbed that he thinks I'd prefer to bring bct's game down just to spite him? Holy shit, talk about thinking you're the center of the universe! I kept all of that out of the game, and he brought it up only to shit talk me. So yes, I was very "vitriolic".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Obellisk 08/17/22 7:42:42 AM #320:	Just waking up, I've skimmed and will fully read what happened over night when I sit down at my desk this morning. Just want to point out that Scum knows exactly what Town has based on how many of them they know exist. Which is unfair to town in this "open" setup. But we can save shitting on the game till after its over. With that said. All these conversations about setup are moot. We just don't know if we have a doc at all, so claiming can't occur. I think it makes the most sense to no-lynch, at least for today. I do not believe we have enough evidence to damn any single player at this point and forcing scum to shoot in a larger pool is better than removing 1 town player by lynch inadvertently. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) <cite>Obellisk posted [p:967367042] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Just waking up, I've skimmed and will fully read what happened over night when I sit down at my desk this morning.Just want to point out that Scum knows exactly what Town has based on how many of them they know exist. Which is unfair to town in this "open" setup. But we can save shitting on the game till after its over.With that said. All these conversations about setup are moot. We just don't know if we have a doc at all, so claiming can't occur.I think it makes the most sense to no-lynch, at least for today. I do not believe we have enough evidence to damn any single player at this point and forcing scum to shoot in a larger pool is better than removing 1 town player by lynch inadvertently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 08/17/22 7:46:03 AM #321:	UltimaterializerX posted... No lynch is objectively trash and only helps scum. It denies information from town. This --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:967367080] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>No lynch is objectively trash and only helps scum. It denies information from town.</quote>This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Obellisk 08/17/22 7:46:41 AM #322:	Scum knows the complete setup. Everything they have and everything Town has. Town knows what town might have and what scum might have. soooooo simple. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) <cite>Obellisk posted [p:967367087] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Scum knows the complete setup. Everything they have and everything Town has.Town knows what town might have and what scum might have.soooooo simple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Peace___Frog 08/17/22 7:47:59 AM #324:	I'd rather be special'd than have a no lynch, for the record. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967367102] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>I'd rather be special'd than have a no lynch, for the record. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 08/17/22 8:07:35 AM #326:	Peace___Frog posted... You are concerned about me but didn't actually reply to anything I posted last night. Super cool, my guy. As far as activity goes, I'm still extremely underwhelmed by ctes. IGCD and Sbell I feel very good about. Sultan I'm not as confident on, but am definitely leaning town. Corrik and Kirby have made a great show of being active without really doing much of anything, but frankly I think Kirby comes off looking way worse here. While corrik's posts are, in my opinion, an active waste of time and energy, he's at least putting his time and energy into them. Kirby feels like he's skating by behind corrik, not really doing much of anything at all. Could be lazy town, but that's not my impression of him from previous games. So I've put him in my scum pile. Ulti and ben I am neutral on but for very different reasons. Isquen is scum. Kirby, I was especially pissed off last night when corrik not only put words in my mouth unrelated to this game, but he also outright stated that I would rather lose if he and I are both town just because I don't want to see him win. That's rude and uncalled for. I joined Mafia for the first time in over a decade, and corrik is so self-absorbed that he thinks I'd prefer to bring bct's game down just to spite him? Holy shit, talk about thinking you're the center of the universe! I kept all of that out of the game, and he brought it up only to shit talk me. So yes, I was very "vitriolic". What's there to shit talk? You are the only person who has been rude and hostile this game. This is a game amongst friends, yet you are the only friend telling people to fuck off and such. My statement of you is analysis of your play, which ironically you just tried to say I have done none of. I said your pure spite (which you already said you can't let your bias go in regards to reading Ulti - so why is it all the sudden magically able to be here and so outlandish to suggest you couldn't with me also) could muck my read on your play. As far as me putting words in your mouth (I never said you said anything so already false), you yourself have just said you would rather be - supposedly if town - mislynched than a no lynch happen in a game where a no lynch creates an extra night. So, I mean, was my read of you really that far off? Now you are also trying to attack my character instead of my assessments in further ad hominem. Your outrage looks faked here tbqh because ai have addressed you with reads, and I created content which got almost the entire game engaged in a way to read them and their reactions. You and ulti are so keen to call fluff mathematical analysis of the game, yet you are so willing to overlook basically all interactions from it as well. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967367343] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite><quote>You are concerned about me but didn't actually reply to anything I posted last night. Super cool, my guy. As far as activity goes, I'm still extremely underwhelmed by ctes. IGCD and Sbell I feel very good about. Sultan I'm not as confident on, but am definitely leaning town.Corrik and Kirby have made a great show of being active without really doing much of anything, but frankly I think Kirby comes off looking way worse here. While corrik's posts are, in my opinion, an active waste of time and energy, he's at least putting his time and energy into them. Kirby feels like he's skating by behind corrik, not really doing much of anything at all. Could be lazy town, but that's not my impression of him from previous games. So I've put him in my scum pile. Ulti and ben I am neutral on but for very different reasons. Isquen is scum.Kirby, I was especially pissed off last night when corrik not only put words in my mouth unrelated to this game, but he also outright stated that I would rather lose if he and I are both town just because I don't want to see him win. That's rude and uncalled for. I joined Mafia for the first time in over a decade, and corrik is so self-absorbed that he thinks I'd prefer to bring bct's game down just to spite him? Holy shit, talk about thinking you're the center of the universe! I kept all of that out of the game, and he brought it up only to shit talk me. So yes, I was very "vitriolic".</quote>What's there to shit talk? You are the only person who has been rude and hostile this game. This is a game amongst friends, yet you are the only friend telling people to fuck off and such. My statement of you is analysis of your play, which ironically you just tried to say I have done none of. I said your pure spite (which you already said you can't let your bias go in regards to reading Ulti - so why is it all the sudden magically able to be here and so outlandish to suggest you couldn't with me also) could muck my read on your play. As far as me putting words in your mouth (I never said you said anything so already false), you yourself have just said you would rather be - supposedly if town - mislynched than a no lynch happen in a game where a no lynch creates an extra night. So, I mean, was my read of you really that far off? Now you are also trying to attack my character instead of my assessments in further ad hominem. Your outrage looks faked here tbqh because ai have addressed you with reads, and I created content which got almost the entire game engaged in a way to read them and their reactions. You and ulti are so keen to call fluff mathematical analysis of the game, yet you are so willing to overlook basically all interactions from it as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 8:09:28 AM #327:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... This Sultan, one day we are gonna have to have a long heart filled conversation together about proper play. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967367373] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>This</quote>Sultan, one day we are gonna have to have a long heart filled conversation together about proper play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 8:12:08 AM #328:	Corrik7 posted... Peaf literally hates me as a person, so it is possible that is bleeding through mucking up what looks like an obvious read. He would rather me be wrong than win if Town. Lol. Lol --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967367407] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>Peaf literally hates me as a person, so it is possible that is bleeding through mucking up what looks like an obvious read.He would rather me be wrong than win if Town. Lol.</quote>Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 08/17/22 8:17:59 AM #329:	Corrik7 posted... Sultan, one day we are gonna have to have a long heart filled conversation together about proper play. No lynch does not work. It gives scum a free kill. basically. Yes it avoids mislynches potentially but even a mislynch provides more information then just forgetting a day --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:967367491] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>Sultan, one day we are gonna have to have a long heart filled conversation together about proper play. </quote>No lynch does not work. It gives scum a free kill. basically. Yes it avoids mislynches potentially but even a mislynch provides more information then just forgetting a day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 8:29:14 AM #330:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... No lynch does not work. It gives scum a free kill. basically. Yes it avoids mislynches potentially but even a mislynch provides more information then just forgetting a day Listen, dawg. 7-3 Mislynch today. 5-3 Mislynch 3-3 Game over Now watch 7-3 No Lynch on the day you have no information and most likely to mislynch 6-3 Mislynch 4-3 Mislynch You lost zero nights and only gained information from flip and possibly from a scan. It's not forgetting a day. It's extending the game and getting more information to make a more informed decision. The mislynches remain the same. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967367621] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>No lynch does not work. It gives scum a free kill. basically. Yes it avoids mislynches potentially but even a mislynch provides more information then just forgetting a day</quote>Listen, dawg.7-3Mislynch today. 5-3Mislynch3-3 Game overNow watch7-3No Lynch on the day you have no information and most likely to mislynch6-3Mislynch4-3MislynchYou lost zero nights and only gained information from flip and possibly from a scan.It's not forgetting a day. It's extending the game and getting more information to make a more informed decision. The mislynches remain the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 8:34:11 AM #331:	I apologize in advance for the formatting of my next post. I'm on mobile and was using my notes app to keep the quotes as I looked through the topic. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967367708] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>I apologize in advance for the formatting of my next post. I'm on mobile and was using my notes app to keep the quotes as I looked through the topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 8:35:51 AM #332:	Isquen posted... Meh. Stuck at work til 5 Eastern, on a short break. My logic is thus: If Kirby is scum, it comes to light easily enough once you get beyond the fluff walls. If Kirby is not scum, it looks awful for me if I place a vote to -1 and scum hammers. Also, scum team is not awake yet, because presuming there are three, Kirby would be boned already - unless scum is already hovering on him. Mathematically, I dunno about that one (even in a simple game that seems heavyhanded) so best shot is to focus on someone that's on the wagon with the presumption that one of them is scum. And not Kirby, because that's way, way too on the nose for him. Day 1 trains suck. Pulling this post back up - beyond my initial analysis of "isquen cares what it looks like too much", notice also that all he has to say about the possibility of Kirby being scum is "oh it'll become obvious eventually." But then in his math he assumes that scum team just isn't awake, if Kirby is town. Meanwhile there's only one player who is not in US time, meaning 1 (or 2) of the players on Kirby would thus be scum. That's the insinuation. But if Kirby is scum then of course there's no possibility of scum hammer! Kirby321 posted... Ulti's point on Isquen is interesting. I agree that scum probably wouldn't try to splinter on me instead of waiting a bit to see where things go before putting down a vote. I'll give Isquen a pass for now. So this is in reply to ulti's comment on the previous page. UltimaterializerX posted... If Isquen is scum, and he knows Kirby is town, why splinter the wagon? Occulam's says Isquen is town in this case. This comment does not consider that isquen and Kirby can both be scum. Reading kirby's post in this light, if kirby and isquen are both scum, then kirby was able to do a nice little distance away from him, and isquen from him. They both basically avoided saying anything about the other. Both isquen and kirby's posts make a lot more sense with the reading that they are both scum together. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967367727] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Isquen posted... <quote>Meh. Stuck at work til 5 Eastern, on a short break. My logic is thus:If Kirby is scum, it comes to light easily enough once you get beyond the fluff walls.If Kirby is not scum, it looks awful for me if I place a vote to -1 and scum hammers.Also, scum team is not awake yet, because presuming there are three, Kirby would be boned already - unless scum is already hovering on him. Mathematically, I dunno about that one (even in a simple game that seems heavyhanded) so best shot is to focus on someone that's on the wagon with the presumption that one of them is scum. And not Kirby, because that's way, way too on the nose for him.Day 1 trains suck.</quote>Pulling this post back up - beyond my initial analysis of "isquen cares what it looks like too much", notice also that all he has to say about the possibility of Kirby being scum is "oh it'll become obvious eventually." But then in his math he assumes that scum team just isn't awake, if Kirby is town. Meanwhile there's only one player who is not in US time, meaning 1 (or 2) of the players on Kirby would thus be scum. That's the insinuation. But if Kirby is scum then of course there's no possibility of scum hammer! Kirby321 posted... <quote>Ulti's point on Isquen is interesting. I agree that scum probably wouldn't try to splinter on me instead of waiting a bit to see where things go before putting down a vote. I'll give Isquen a pass for now.</quote>So this is in reply to ulti's comment on the previous page. UltimaterializerX posted... <quote>If Isquen is scum, and he knows Kirby is town, why splinter the wagon? Occulam's says Isquen is town in this case.</quote>This comment does not consider that isquen and Kirby can both be scum. Reading kirby's post in this light, if kirby and isquen are both scum, then kirby was able to do a nice little distance away from him, and isquen from him. They both basically avoided saying anything about the other.Both isquen and kirby's posts make a lot more sense with the reading that they are both scum together. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 8:37:30 AM #333:	I agree isquens post looks bad. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967367751] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>I agree isquens post looks bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 8:39:07 AM #334:	Focusing on my Kirby quote in that post once more, I don't agree that that logic holds any water. If there were multiple other trains being pursued then it would be relevant. But other than Kirby there was nothing else going on. So rather than have 2 (of 2, or 3) scum at the start of one lynch, it's a totally reasonable strategy to just throw darts at the board and see where they land. In fact, I'd argue that it's the better strategy! If Ben doesn't catch on, then maybe igcd would. Or vice versa. That point in the game was so, so early, that scum not being concentrated would be ideal for them. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967367781] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Focusing on my Kirby quote in that post once more, I don't agree that that logic holds any water. If there were multiple other trains being pursued then it would be relevant. But other than Kirby there was nothing else going on. So rather than have 2 (of 2, or 3) scum at the start of one lynch, it's a totally reasonable strategy to just throw darts at the board and see where they land. In fact, I'd argue that it's the better strategy! If Ben doesn't catch on, then maybe igcd would. Or vice versa. That point in the game was so, so early, that scum not being concentrated would be ideal for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 8:47:58 AM #335:	Bad logic =/= scum Otherwise the games would be 98% scum every game. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967367925] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Bad logic =/= scumOtherwise the games would be 98% scum every game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 08/17/22 8:58:56 AM #336:	Actually with this game size you might actually be right.... I got a sour taste in my mouth for agreeing with Corrik... --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:967368094] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Actually with this game size you might actually be right....I got a sour taste in my mouth for agreeing with Corrik...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheSultanOfSlam 08/17/22 9:00:18 AM #337:	Dammit corrik you actually convinced me ##unvote ##vote:nolynch --- YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE SULTAN Hello Here is a pineapple <cite>TheSultanOfSlam posted [p:967368117] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Dammit corrik you actually convinced me##unvote##vote:nolynch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 9:03:32 AM #338:	Corrik7 posted... Bad logic =/= scum Otherwise the games would be 98% scum every game. My argument is not that they use bad logic. Reread. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967368192] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>Bad logic =/= scumOtherwise the games would be 98% scum every game.</quote>My argument is not that they use bad logic. Reread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 9:05:57 AM #339:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... Dammit corrik you actually convinced me ##unvote ##vote:nolynch <3 --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967368251] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>Dammit corrik you actually convinced me##unvote##vote:nolynch</quote><3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 08/17/22 9:06:50 AM #340:	Alright, time to play. I just read everything again. Ben looks the worst to me atm. He and Kirby both began by referring to previous games, Kirby got called out for it, Ben never did. Ben also keeps insisting it's no joke and refers back to it when asked questions despite there obviously being no way to townclear ICGD before IGCD had made a post yet. Ben usually makes does some weird stuff right away, but calling out Kirby for doing something similar seems really off to me despite him backing down from it later. ##Vote: Ben For now. Both SBell and IGCD seem more active than last game when they were scum, but rolling scum right after having been it is probably the best time to do it. I thought IGCD calling someone out for not reading the opening post properly was pretty bad and he was also called out on it. I doubt Peaf and IGCD are both scum then or he wouldn't think it'd be Peace for short, I think. I was initially quite wary of Peaf. Calling someone out for inactivity like 12 hours into the day (where they slept 8 of them) without even considering what they actually said is such a cheap way to try to generate content, especially on newer players. Several people had done just about nothing at that point. I've liked him better later though. I disagree about the Isquen points though. Last game I spent two full days being against him for similar reasons and I was wrong. Maybe that puts me off here, but Isquen definitely cared about how he looked that game and also made some points that made no sense to me, turned out it wasn't a scum tell. I am not against no lynch since it doesn't cost us a day, but I don't think it should be a priority, instead something we do if we fail to have a clear target before it's too late. The point of playing simple mafia was playing by intuition instead of using roles to solve the game only. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:967368265] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Alright, time to play. I just read everything again.Ben looks the worst to me atm. He and Kirby both began by referring to previous games, Kirby got called out for it, Ben never did. Ben also keeps insisting it's no joke and refers back to it when asked questions despite there obviously being no way to townclear ICGD before IGCD had made a post yet. Ben usually makes does some weird stuff right away, but calling out Kirby for doing something similar seems really off to me despite him backing down from it later. ##Vote: BenFor now. Both SBell and IGCD seem more active than last game when they were scum, but rolling scum right after having been it is probably the best time to do it. I thought IGCD calling someone out for not reading the opening post properly was pretty bad and he was also called out on it. I doubt Peaf and IGCD are both scum then or he wouldn't think it'd be Peace for short, I think.I was initially quite wary of Peaf. Calling someone out for inactivity like 12 hours into the day (where they slept 8 of them) without even considering what they actually said is such a cheap way to try to generate content, especially on newer players. Several people had done just about nothing at that point. I've liked him better later though.I disagree about the Isquen points though. Last game I spent two full days being against him for similar reasons and I was wrong. Maybe that puts me off here, but Isquen definitely cared about how he looked that game and also made some points that made no sense to me, turned out it wasn't a scum tell.I am not against no lynch since it doesn't cost us a day, but I don't think it should be a priority, instead something we do if we fail to have a clear target before it's too late. The point of playing simple mafia was playing by intuition instead of using roles to solve the game only.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 9:11:42 AM #341:	There is no intuition to go off of day 1. It's manufactured content to try and get someone to eventually claim and roll over when they flub it. With no claims to force, even that is gone. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967368337] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>There is no intuition to go off of day 1. It's manufactured content to try and get someone to eventually claim and roll over when they flub it. With no claims to force, even that is gone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 9:12:50 AM #342:	Hey ctes. Thanks for the insight on isquen last game. I don't really remember much of what he did there so that's certainly a big blind spot for me. I agree with your last paragraph 100%. It's why I was interested in bct's setup. Regardless of how open or solved it is, I only cared about the "simple" part. So that's how I'd prefer to play. Obviously if everyone else wants to NL them so be it. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967368353] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Hey ctes. Thanks for the insight on isquen last game. I don't really remember much of what he did there so that's certainly a big blind spot for me. I agree with your last paragraph 100%. It's why I was interested in bct's setup. Regardless of how open or solved it is, I only cared about the "simple" part. So that's how I'd prefer to play. Obviously if everyone else wants to NL them so be it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 9:13:41 AM #343:	Peaf, you think Ulti is town? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967368364] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Peaf, you think Ulti is town?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 9:13:53 AM #344:	That's quite reductionist. Setup analysis is fake content, so I can see why you'd project your feelings onto others. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967368367] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>That's quite reductionist. Setup analysis is fake content, so I can see why you'd project your feelings onto others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 9:14:24 AM #345:	Corrik7 posted... Peaf, you think Ulti is town? Peace___Frog posted... Ulti and ben I am neutral on but for very different reasons. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967368381] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>Peaf, you think Ulti is town?</quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite><quote>Ulti and ben I am neutral on but for very different reasons.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 9:16:05 AM #346:	And ctes, you're right about how it was wrong for me to call you out after not even a full day for the sin of only... not posting much other than a hello. I'm sorry for that, and obviously this game should not interfere with our actual lives. I got carried away. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967368421] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>And ctes, you're right about how it was wrong for me to call you out after not even a full day for the sin of only... not posting much other than a hello. I'm sorry for that, and obviously this game should not interfere with our actual lives. I got carried away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 9:18:42 AM #347:	Peace___Frog posted... That's quite reductionist. Setup analysis is fake content, so I can see why you'd project your feelings onto others. Setup analysis is tried and true. The game should be analyzed from all aspects of information given to you. From past game experience with players and tendencies. Host experience and tendencies and subsequent balancing and set up puzzle fitting. If you are looking for scum, you should use every tool that has been made available to you. Choosing to work with half the deck is simply unwise. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967368462] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite><quote>That's quite reductionist. Setup analysis is fake content, so I can see why you'd project your feelings onto others.</quote>Setup analysis is tried and true. The game should be analyzed from all aspects of information given to you. From past game experience with players and tendencies. Host experience and tendencies and subsequent balancing and set up puzzle fitting. If you are looking for scum, you should use every tool that has been made available to you. Choosing to work with half the deck is simply unwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 08/17/22 9:21:23 AM #348:	Why are you neutral on Ulti and don't find him as town or scum? Let's assume you don't have a bias and you aren't rainman who can always make an accurate read and simply read him wrong one time last game. Your bias, which you assured me couldn't exist against me, is not allowed to be used as a smokescreen. Why is he scum before reverting to the mean to declare him neutral due to adjusting for bias? Or why is he town? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:967368502] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Why are you neutral on Ulti and don't find him as town or scum? Let's assume you don't have a bias and you aren't rainman who can always make an accurate read and simply read him wrong one time last game. Your bias, which you assured me couldn't exist against me, is not allowed to be used as a smokescreen. Why is he scum before reverting to the mean to declare him neutral due to adjusting for bias? Or why is he town?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 08/17/22 9:22:04 AM #349:	PunishedBen posted... Ctes does seem to get genuinely frustrated every time me and Ulti start calling people town. I'd say Ulti is confirmed town if Ctes is scum Also I only pointed this out once I think, pretty calmly too. I was directed at Ulti mostly but also SBell a bit. Calling people likely town is not the issue, it's using it to PoE and being certain that scum is among the remaining. Ulti's not exactly right that he was one of the ones to steer town in the right direction in that game imo, several mafia weren't looked at because of hard confident townclears by prominent players and they only ended up losing because Corrik and Hb caught them. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:967368514] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>PunishedBen posted... </cite><quote>Ctes does seem to get genuinely frustrated every time me and Ulti start calling people town. I'd say Ulti is confirmed town if Ctes is scum</quote>Also I only pointed this out once I think, pretty calmly too. I was directed at Ulti mostly but also SBell a bit. Calling people likely town is not the issue, it's using it to PoE and being certain that scum is among the remaining. Ulti's not exactly right that he was one of the ones to steer town in the right direction in that game imo, several mafia weren't looked at because of hard confident townclears by prominent players and they only ended up losing because Corrik and Hb caught them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 08/17/22 9:25:20 AM #350:	Corrik7 posted... There is no intuition to go off of day 1. It's manufactured content to try and get someone to eventually claim and roll over when they flub it. With no claims to force, even that is gone. There is, the problem is that most of us just aren't that good at it. You can totally count me in that bunch too, but I prefer to give it a try before going to no lynch because day 1s can be quite useful to go back to when we've seen flips. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:967368566] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>There is no intuition to go off of day 1. It's manufactured content to try and get someone to eventually claim and roll over when they flub it. With no claims to force, even that is gone.</quote>There is, the problem is that most of us just aren't that good at it. You can totally count me in that bunch too, but I prefer to give it a try before going to no lynch because day 1s can be quite useful to go back to when we've seen flips.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/17/22 9:27:11 AM #351:	Corrik7 posted... Why are you neutral on Ulti and don't find him as town or scum? Let's assume you don't have a bias and you aren't rainman who can always make an accurate read and simply read him wrong one time last game. Your bias, which you assured me couldn't exist against me, is not allowed to be used as a smokescreen. Why is he scum before reverting to the mean to declare him neutral due to adjusting for bias? Or why is he town? I assured you that my bias against you had nothing to do with the game. My bias on Ulti has everything to do with the game. Why are you so sure that I am not playing to win, and that I would rather see you be wrong above everything else? Where does your bias come in? Is that why you stick to lame setup analysis? It's certainly the easier way to be active. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:967368594] in Simple Maf... [t:80131300]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite><quote>Why are you neutral on Ulti and don't find him as town or scum? Let's assume you don't have a bias and you aren't rainman who can always make an accurate read and simply read him wrong one time last game. Your bias, which you assured me couldn't exist against me, is not allowed to be used as a smokescreen. Why is he scum before reverting to the mean to declare him neutral due to adjusting for bias? Or why is he town?</quote>I assured you that my bias against you had nothing to do with the game. My bias on Ulti has everything to do with the game. Why are you so sure that I am not playing to win, and that I would rather see you be wrong above everything else? Where does your bias come in? Is that why you stick to lame setup analysis? It's certainly the easier way to be active. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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