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HornedLion
08/13/22 10:53:42 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/8/AAckHXAADj5m.jpg

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NickMullen
08/13/22 10:56:13 PM
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please stop

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DirtBasedSoap
08/13/22 11:00:55 PM
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@NickMullen
are you devil summoner btw

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NickMullen
08/13/22 11:04:31 PM
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yes lmao

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NickMullen
08/13/22 11:04:38 PM
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i mean who

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DirtBasedSoap
08/13/22 11:05:49 PM
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i like his new name, Nick millions

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NickMullen
08/13/22 11:12:25 PM
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same

i should've changed my username to that lol

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DirtBasedSoap
08/13/22 11:13:00 PM
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oh shit i didnt even realize that was the same account lmao

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NickMullen
08/13/22 11:17:35 PM
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oh no

this account is the very first account i made on here

i still have my devilsummoner account

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DirtBasedSoap
08/13/22 11:20:46 PM
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ahhh okay

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Count_Drachma
08/13/22 11:27:16 PM
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I was amused, tbh.

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JCvgluvr
08/14/22 2:33:31 AM
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To be an atheist practically requires arrogance.

Imagine an amoeba saying, with 100% confidence, "Yep, there's no such thing as a blue whale!"

How would it know that? How COULD it know that? How would it ever approach the concept?

Now take the concept, apply it to humans, God, and the near-imfinite expanse of the universe.

My point.

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Yellow
08/14/22 2:41:38 AM
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Ok, guess it's 2012 forever, I'm ok with that.

Which one is the real one? Yours, right? Do you talk to him in your head? Is he in the room with us right now? Please tell me the rules of getting in and out of the perpetual orgasm and avoiding the forever bad drug trip.
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Revelation34
08/14/22 2:41:53 AM
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HornedLion posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/8/AAckHXAADj5m.jpg


That comic implies the religious person started the debate.

JCvgluvr posted...
To be an atheist practically requires arrogance.

Imagine an amoeba saying, with 100% confidence, "Yep, there's no such thing as a blue whale!"

How would it know that? How COULD it know that? How would it ever approach the concept?

Now take the concept, apply it to humans, God, and the near-imfinite expanse of the universe.

My point.


The EXACT same argument could be used against a religious person.

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Yellow
08/14/22 2:50:08 AM
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Idk why but I just don't have the energy for this anymore.

JCvgluvr posted...
To be an atheist practically requires arrogance.

Imagine an amoeba saying, with 100% confidence, "Yep, there's no such thing as a blue whale!"

How would it know that? How COULD it know that? How would it ever approach the concept?

Now take the concept, apply it to humans, God, and the near-imfinite expanse of the universe.

My point.
If you don't adhere to empirical evidence you're going to be a burden on society because of how vulnerable you make yourself to being manipulated.

So do me a favor and just think about how every time you touch yourself your soul is dead and can't be brought back to life until you go to a church and tell the old man you masturbated. I'm assuming you didn't, so that means you're going to hell. Great. I just got you to go to church every week, because you are manipulatable.

And btw the sin is worse if you're aware you are committing the sin. Now that I've told you this, you have no excuse.

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Yellow
08/14/22 3:22:45 AM
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You know what convinced me though, I went online and I looked for evidence that god was real, and I did that for a week. If he's real, then surely there's evidence of at least one of his miracles, right? It would be historically inaccurate if there wasn't.
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Zareth
08/14/22 3:24:36 AM
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The artist has probably never heard the words "false equivalence" in their entire life

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/14/22 8:34:28 AM
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JCvgluvr posted...
To be an atheist practically requires arrogance.

Imagine an amoeba saying, with 100% confidence, "Yep, there's no such thing as a blue whale!"

How would it know that? How COULD it know that? How would it ever approach the concept?

Now take the concept, apply it to humans, God, and the near-imfinite expanse of the universe.

My point.


To be a Gnostic Atheist or Gnostic Theist yes.

To claim you know absolutely either way is arrogant.

I am an Agnostic Atheist, I do not believe there is a god or gods, but I also admit that there really is no way of knowing, in part due to the nature of most of the religious arguments used.

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slacker03150
08/14/22 9:11:49 AM
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JCvgluvr posted...
To be an atheist practically requires arrogance.

Imagine an amoeba saying, with 100% confidence, "Yep, there's no such thing as a blue whale!"

How would it know that? How COULD it know that? How would it ever approach the concept?

Now take the concept, apply it to humans, God, and the near-imfinite expanse of the universe.

My point.
On the flip side. The blue whale don't give a fuck about the amoeba and the amoeba is just wasting time and energy worshipping it.

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OhhhJa
08/14/22 9:31:18 AM
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Yellow posted...
If he's real, then surely there's evidence of at least one of his miracles, right?
It's possible there's a god but that it doesn't perform "miracles." I'm not religious but I believe it's possible there's some kind of god/creator whatever that may be. Could be like xenoblade where it's some nerd in a lab
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Judgmenl
08/14/22 10:13:27 AM
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What year is it? 2007?

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HornedLion
08/14/22 11:09:59 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
What year is it? 2007?

NEDM.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/14/22 11:42:25 AM
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HornedLion posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/8/AAckHXAADj5m.jpg
I've never seen a man-made, talking, self-aware snowman. So maybe they did.

Imagine this: As a human you make some snowmen. But there's that one over there that you don't remember making and it keeps changing position on its own, defying everything you know about about snowmen.

Imagine this: As a god you create some humans. But there's that one over there that you don't remember making and it's behaving contrary to how you designed them.

So there is a god, but also your argument is valid. Checkmate... everyone.

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papercup
08/14/22 11:58:13 AM
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Nothing happens when you die lolololololol

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adjl
08/14/22 12:55:29 PM
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Given infinite time/space, I don't see why a bunch of snowflakes couldn't encounter some mechanism by which they could spontaneously assemble into sentient snowmen.

OhhhJa posted...
It's possible there's a god but that it doesn't perform "miracles." I'm not religious but I believe it's possible there's some kind of god/creator whatever that may be. Could be like xenoblade where it's some nerd in a lab

Personally, I consider God to just be the personification of the rules that govern the universe. It's easier for a lot of people to wrap their heads around the idea of a God creating the laws of physics, but the laws of physics (that is, immutable laws that control everything about how the universe functions) sound an awful lot like they themselves comprise an omnipotent entity to me.

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Metalsonic66
08/14/22 1:11:16 PM
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BuT wHo cReaTeD gOd

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OhhhJa
08/14/22 1:15:35 PM
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adjl posted...
sound an awful lot like they themselves comprise an omnipotent entity to me
Could be true. Ive suggested myself that the universe itself may be god. I'm not necessarily attributing an anthropological aspect to a god. It's also possible we live in a simulation. In that case, there would likely be a creator. We still don't understand how the universe came to be from nothing though. I've seen some physics-based hypotheses to how it could happen but nothing proven. We still don't understand the true nature of "nothing."
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Cubis101
08/14/22 1:41:21 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
oh shit i didnt even realize that was the same account lmao


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Muscles
08/14/22 1:42:39 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Could be true. Ive suggested myself that the universe itself may be god. I'm not necessarily attributing an anthropological aspect to a god. It's also possible we live in a simulation. In that case, there would likely be a creator. We still don't understand how the universe came to be from nothing though. I've seen some physics-based hypotheses to how it could happen but nothing proven. We still don't understand the true nature of "nothing."
There was never a nothing though, before the big bang there was all matter in the universe in a state of chaos pretty much, which existed before the universe, what all that matter was doing isn't known though. I like the theory that it was the end of a black hole from another universe.

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wwinterj25
08/14/22 2:19:54 PM
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JCvgluvr posted...
To be an atheist practically requires arrogance.


Not at all. I'm a atheist and believe in no god or gods but I'm not going to tell others what they believe is wrong as it can't be proven either way.

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Dikitain
08/14/22 2:31:50 PM
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Yellow posted...
Which one is the real one? Yours, right? Do you talk to him in your head? Is he in the room with us right now? Please tell me the rules of getting in and out of the perpetual orgasm and avoiding the forever bad drug trip.

All are real, and none are real at the same time.

You can believe in something while not believing that it exists in any form of reality that we are capable of understanding. It is possible that every organized religion is right, and everyone is wrong. God can both exist and not. Everyone goes to heaven regardless of how good or bad they were, or there is no heaven and they only go to hell, or neither exist and god just shatters your soul like glass ball.

What I am saying is, we should all just enjoy some pizza and take a nap after. And not worry about who is right or wrong.

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Nade_Duck
08/14/22 3:24:45 PM
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Dikitain posted...
What I am saying is, we should all just enjoy some pizza and take a nap after. And not worry about who is right or wrong.
i like this as long as we all agree to give precedence to science and physical evidence.

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Revelation34
08/15/22 4:42:31 AM
#33:


wwinterj25 posted...


Not at all. I'm a atheist and believe in no god or gods but I'm not going to tell others what they believe is wrong as it can't be proven either way.


That's agnosticism.

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kind9
08/15/22 5:07:24 AM
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The Agnostic is an Atheist. The Atheist is an Agnostic. The Agnostic says: I do not know, but I do not believe there is any god. The Atheist says the same."
--Robert Ingersoll, 1885

I'm not a professional quote maker, so I use smarter peoples' quotes. Anyway those two words have more than one common meaning and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive positions.

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VampireCoyote
08/15/22 5:35:03 AM
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kind9 posted...
The Agnostic is an Atheist. The Atheist is an Agnostic. The Agnostic says: I do not know, but I do not believe there is any god. The Atheist says the same."
--Robert Ingersoll, 1885

I'm not a professional quote maker, so I use smarter peoples' quotes. Anyway those two words have more than one common meaning and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive positions.

dumb quote

i dont know if there is a god, but I do believe that there are likely powers and beings greater than ourselves and machinations at work that we cant comprehend

athiests are dumb to me because with how astronomically little we know about existence and reality they insist that there is only the flat and narrow world view of basic human perception and nothing beyond it, it isnt even logical

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kind9
08/15/22 5:50:30 AM
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I mean it's not exactly a profound thing he's saying, but it serves to show that even over a century ago one of the most popular agnostics saw little difference between atheism and agnosticism. It was a reply to the post directly above mine. The idea that atheists insist there is no god or higher power "beyond human perception" is wrong, and dumb.

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VampireCoyote
08/15/22 6:57:46 AM
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Except many insist that very thing, quite adamantly and as obnoxiously as possible

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kind9
08/15/22 7:26:22 AM
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True enough, but besides some randos on the internet which atheists are doing that? I don't think there is any philosophical source or atheist philosopher past or present that describe atheism that way. It seems more like anti-theism to me.

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Gaawa_chan
08/15/22 9:08:39 AM
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If you cannot provide empirical evidence to support your assertions, I am not going to waste my limited time entertaining them. Even if anyone ceded the argument that there may be a deity or deities, that does not at all support any specific religion.

"My religion explains things!" Every religion explains things.
"My religion makes people better with its rules!" Every religion claims to do this.
"My religion predicts things!" Most religions also do that, too.

Provide me actual evidence or stop wasting my time. You know what's arrogant? Thinking that of all the sets of beliefs in the world throughout human history, the one you happen to follow is both some sort of immutable truth and inherently morally superior to all others, and that your particular interpretation of your particular religion oh so conveniently supports your socio-political positions.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/15/22 9:48:49 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's agnosticism.

Agnostic Atheism.

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Revelation34
08/15/22 11:19:23 AM
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kind9 posted...
The Agnostic is an Atheist. The Atheist is an Agnostic. The Agnostic says: I do not know, but I do not believe there is any god. The Atheist says the same."
--Robert Ingersoll, 1885

I'm not a professional quote maker, so I use smarter peoples' quotes. Anyway those two words have more than one common meaning and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive positions.


Atheism is the complete disbelief in the existence of gods or deities. Agnosticism is not knowing either way.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/15/22 11:41:03 AM
#42:


Revelation34 posted...
Atheism is the complete disbelief in the existence of gods or deities. Agnosticism is not knowing either way.

Which are not mutually exclusive.

Agnostic Atheism, Gnostic Atheism, Agnostic Theism and Gnostic Theism are four separate possibilities.

Just because true Gnostics are rare either way should not affect any of the words' meanings.

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kind9
08/16/22 3:16:16 AM
#43:


Revelation34 posted...
Atheism is the complete disbelief in the existence of gods or deities. Agnosticism is not knowing either way.
But both words have multiple common meanings. Atheism is disbelief in a god or god, or lack of belief. Agnosticism is belief that God/god(s) is unknowable, and an epistemic principle that basically says positive claims shouldn't be made in the absence of positive evidence. It's not just "I don't know", it's more like "I can't know presently so I won't claim to know or even profess to believe."

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OhhhJa
08/16/22 5:43:54 PM
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To put it simply, proclaiming that there are or aren't greater beings beyond our perception is a combination of arrogance and ignorance. Because human beings seem to have a problem with just saying, "I don't know." Maybe one day we will but we don't right now
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wpot
08/17/22 12:13:35 AM
#45:


Im with @adjl on this one. There is or could be something godlike about the rules of the universe or whatever created said rulesbut it doesnt seem we will ever know what that is or was. It almost certainly is not any God as currently described by any human religion.

Having said that I oddly do see significant value in religion for community-building and regular philosophic/moral/purpose-building thought, although a line needs to be drawn between said benefits and discrimination/the drawbacks. Methodism is pretty goodif you can find an active congregation somewhere.

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Krazy_Kirby
08/17/22 3:01:18 AM
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^
you don't need religion for morals.
lots of religion also teach bad morals anyway...

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Krazy_Kirby
08/17/22 3:02:43 AM
#47:


OhhhJa posted...
To put it simply, proclaiming that there are or aren't greater beings beyond our perception is a combination of arrogance and ignorance. Because human beings seem to have a problem with just saying, "I don't know." Maybe one day we will but we don't right now


you can't say there are no zombies or vampires, you just don't know!!

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InfernalFive
08/17/22 7:35:03 AM
#48:


Revelation34 posted...
That's agnosticism.
Acknowledging that it can't be proven doesn't mean you're agnostic.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/17/22 7:44:03 AM
#49:


InfernalFive posted...
Acknowledging that it can't be proven doesn't mean you're agnostic.

It does, or it becomes a contradiction.

How can one say it cannot be proven, yet claim they know? That implies they have sufficient proof of some sort.

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OhhhJa
08/17/22 8:20:18 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
you can't say there are no zombies or vampires, you just don't know!!
Bad analogy. I'm not pointing to any specific example of what beings may exist beyond our perception. But we do know our perception within the universe is limited and that there are likely higher dimensions that we have absolutely no concept of
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