Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 393: Raid on Bungling Bay

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TheRock1525 posted...

The most important part is indies going 47-33 in favor. Basically gooey independents are not moving back towards Trump.

Having a 20% "no opinion" group is a bit worrying, though. How much of that is people who just don't follow this stuff versus reluctant Trump supporters ashamed to admit their real opinions?

Xeybozn posted...

Having a 20% "no opinion" group is a bit worrying, though. How much of that is people who just don't follow this stuff versus reluctant Trump supporters ashamed to admit their real opinions?

Exactly what I was going to say. Whenever I see a poll where the Democratic option is less than 50% (even if it's the highest option in the poll), my immediate response is "All those undecided picks are probably leaning towards the GOP, but realize just how fucking horrific that position is from an optical standpoint."

I didn't see this posted here yet, but Jesus Christ this took, what, three days before the Mar A Lago raid led to this shit?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/armed-man-shoots-fbi-cincinnati-building-nail-gun-flees-leading-inters-rcna42669

Xeybozn posted...

Having a 20% "no opinion" group is a bit worrying, though. How much of that is people who just don't follow this stuff versus reluctant Trump supporters ashamed to admit their real opinions?

I don't think this is a situation where "no opinion" matters. The only way its an issue is if no opinion goes to bad opinion... and I just don't see how that is possible unless there is a revelation it is a politically motivated sting operation

And if that is the case we should be open minded enough to agree that isn't cool. (Though I again doubt this is the case here given Trumps illustrious track record of fraud)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trumps Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation

https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1557848345900728320?s=21

Reality is curb stomping MAGA's and they are still finding/making up excuses for this man. How far down in the hole do you have to be to get to this point? It's absolutely baffling to me. I know it's a variety of reasons, but still. I can't comprehend, or even attempt to put myself in these people shoes because I legitimately do not get it.

Xeybozn posted...

Having a 20% "no opinion" group is a bit worrying, though. How much of that is people who just don't follow this stuff versus reluctant Trump supporters ashamed to admit their real opinions?

I mightve gone dont know on this just because Im not sure this ends up accomplishing anything meaningful, so I dunno if its worth riling up the Trump weirdos

like I totally believe he did crime, but I dont have any optimism that this leads to any real consequence for him

I just saw a very scary point

They even searched my safe was very likely intended to tip someone off that whatever they know about from inside the safe is now compromised

https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1557908442345529345

lmfaoooooooooooooooo

This is what they're going with.

Also, US nuclear secrets are actually exempted from unilateral declassification by the president by law regardless.

Also further reporting that when DOJ took stuff out of Mar-a-Lago back in January they indicated there was signals intelligence material among the information he had taken.

https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1557906146790461440

But her e-mails.

Jakyl25 posted...

I just saw a very scary point

They even searched my safe was very likely intended to tip someone off that whatever they know about from inside the safe is now compromised

Very likely? I dunno about that

https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1558054385334222853?s=21&t=4QJVR_4FKVC7zCez9ZNvsw

If no one was allowed to be around them while they raided the compound, how does he know they opened the safe? Unless they actually took something from the safe, idiot

Crazy how when the right says something is a hoax, we can pretty much infer that there's an element of truth to that something.

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1558054385334222853?s=21&t=4QJVR_4FKVC7zCez9ZNvsw

If no one was allowed to be around them while they raided the compound, how does he know they opened the safe? Unless they actually took something from the safe, idiot

Isn't the report that they broke open the safe? That would be obvious after.

Maybe Im the idiot!

But still, why would they bother to do that if they were just planting evidence to then walk right back out with?

Trump and the family were supposedly watching the raid through security feeds anyway.

The whole planted evidence angle is stupid.

Sorozone posted...

Trump and the family were supposedly watching the raid through security feeds anyway.

The whole planted evidence angle is stupid.

Well... Look at the people saying it. They're stupid.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1557929575320915968

what in the absolute bloody fuck

like yeah I know Fox News is bottom of the barrel trash but this is "how are you not sued into oblivion" kinds of fucked up

I *shouldn't* be surprised at this point but my dad is very worried about the IRS and I don't think has even acknowledged the raid

GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1557929575320915968

what in the absolute bloody fuck

like yeah I know Fox News is bottom of the barrel trash but this is "how are you not sued into oblivion" kinds of fucked up

I mean more than likely Fox News will probably air some sort of retraction on it because they've done that in the past to avoid getting sued but if they just run with that for a long period of time they actually will get in deep trouble for it.

AriaOfBolo posted...

I *shouldn't* be surprised at this point but my dad is very worried about the IRS and I don't think has even acknowledged the raid

Maybe he has just been lying on his tax returns.

AriaOfBolo posted...

I *shouldn't* be surprised at this point but my dad is very worried about the IRS and I don't think has even acknowledged the raid

Good for him because exactly one of those things is potentially concerning and it isn't the raid!

masterplum posted...

Good for him because exactly one of those things is potentially concerning and it isn't the raid!

Not the right context.

Lmfao stay "moderate"

Trump's lawyers never objected to unsealing the warrant. Kinda surprised.

He is probably boned here. I mean it's not like they had many options, but yeah it's for espionage among other things.

Trump gonna flee the country-meet up with his dictator friends.

This is by far the most in danger Trump has been. And to pre-empt the doomer comments, yes there is a difference from how it was in the past.

Sorozone posted...

He is probably boned here. I mean it's not like they had many options, but yeah it's for espionage among other things.

Trump gonna flee the country-meet up with his dictator friends.

Yeah, if he objects it destroys the narrative that he was raided for no reason.

His best strategy is probably to let it be unsealed and say taking home nuclear secrets was ok or something

masterplum posted...

Yeah, if he objects it destroys the narrative that he was raided for no reason.

His best strategy is probably to let it be unsealed and say taking home nuclear secrets was ok or something

His current argument is that it's okay because he declassified them inside his mind

KamikazePotato posted...

This is by far the most in danger Trump has been. And to pre-empt the doomer comments, yes there is a difference from how it was in the past.

I dont think so tbh. Trump is guilty as hell of 100 things, but surely the DOJ sees stuff like:

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1558187290555457538?s=21&t=qRq8MyJAwUvzBhZdAlvL4A

and will weigh the pros and cons of Justice vs martyring Trump and kicking off psychos like this

KamikazePotato posted...

His current argument is that it's okay because he declassified them inside his mind

I think that was someone else.

His current argument is that the agents planted anything bad they find.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think so tbh. Trump is guilty as hell of 100 things, but surely the DOJ sees stuff like:

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1558187290555457538?s=21&t=qRq8MyJAwUvzBhZdAlvL4A

and will weigh the pros and cons of Justice vs martyring Trump and kicking off psychos like this

Don't think they will tbh

I wont hope too hard for it due to lack of faith in rich white people/politicians actually being fairly punished by the law, but man would it be incredible to see Trump go down. If something like this cant nail your ass what the fuck possibly could

Doomer comments coming in faster than expected!

Current FBI isn't going to back down because of crazies. There's been a clear case building against Trump in the background for two years now, and we're just starting to see the tail end of it because these things take time.

That calculus is made before we get here.

Currently in an argument with a Facebook friend that if I don't support Trump it means I support communism.

I mean no

swordz9 posted...

I wont hope too hard for it due to lack of faith in rich white people/politicians actually being fairly punished by the law, but man would it be incredible to see Trump go down. If something like this cant nail your ass what the fuck possibly could

A decent number of rich white politicians have been punished recently actually. Lots of middle-ranking people have gone to jail, and even guys like Alex Jones are starting to get their due. You're never going to get all of them, but the chain is slowly being worked up.

Yeah, I want them to hold the other loonies accountable for inciting violence too though. You know brainless trash like Boebert and Greene who keep posting their garbage the cult believes and then you get guys trying to solo the FBI because of it

Ideally I would like Trump to rot in jail forever, but on the off chance they offer him a plea for a lesser sentence(still jail time of course) for giving up everyone involved in Jan 6 and just tank the party.

swordz9 posted...

Yeah, I want them to hold the other loonies accountable for inciting violence too though. You know brainless trash like Boebert and Greene who keep posting their garbage the cult believes and then you get guys trying to solo the FBI because of it

Was about to say that Boebert and Greene technically don't break any laws, but some of the stuff they say these days is basically sedition so hmm

Thing is, the DoJ only has so many manpower and there are more clear-cut cases to pursue. I agree that it sucks though.

https://twitter.com/rsbnetwork/status/1558166547339923456?s=21

He is going for the declassified route.

Apparently the Obama stuff is referring to documents that Obama gave to the National Archives and are kept in Chicago.

So the thing Trump was supposed to do but didn't.

That is correct: https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1558151577751490561?s=20&t=DJd5MlgaSAxKrB3nj6JFJQ

I am going to be so annoyed when I start seeing that claim all over the place now.

masterplum posted...

Currently in an argument with a Facebook friend that if I don't support Trump it means I support communism.

I mean no

Oh shit, I think we have the same friend. Is their name Literally Any Conservative In the Last 7 Years?

I'd vote Trump for classic scum deflection, but I am affraid that would be seen as an actual vote.

I'm still waiting for him to be bussed.

The IRA has passed the House:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1558205263060107265?s=21

Any Rs vote yes?